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WSiggs 29-12-2016 18:32

Re: New AndyMark Product Game Hint???
 
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Originally Posted by Lireal (Post 1623897)
What is on the paper that says product teaser?

A product teaser.

In all seriousness though it looks kindof like someone took apart a motor and spread it out.

Billfred 29-12-2016 20:36

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Originally Posted by AdamHeard (Post 1623891)
That number seems DANGEROUSLY high to tell general case to team's at large.

With compression and a high number of shots, I'd be very concerned running at that number.

We tested them pretty thoroughly with old FTC balls, including a 1" practice golf ball that has basically zero squish of its own, and the engineers derated it to a number they were confident in. Obviously, anyone running any crazy-high-speed system should inspect those wheels early and often.

Nathan did the actual testing, and he may be able to provide more detail.

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Originally Posted by Lireal (Post 1623897)
What is on the paper that says product teaser?

A product that we want to tease. ;)

bdaroz 29-12-2016 21:18

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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1623957)
A product that we want to tease. ;)

And on the back of the paper is the 2018 water game field element CAD drawing.... come on, we know... :)

AdamHeard 29-12-2016 21:59

Re: New AndyMark Product Game Hint???
 
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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1623957)
We tested them pretty thoroughly with old FTC balls, including a 1" practice golf ball that has basically zero squish of its own, and the engineers derated it to a number they were confident in. Obviously, anyone running any crazy-high-speed system should inspect those wheels early and often.

Nathan did the actual testing, and he may be able to provide more detail.



A product that we want to tease. ;)

As of right now the site still shows 9001 RPM.

What is pretty thoroughly? 1000 shots? 10000?

I know some of the teams running the fairlane teardrop wheels in 2013 replaced them a few times over the season due to tears propagating.

Lil' Lavery 29-12-2016 22:06

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My only comment with the "9001" rating is that carrying things to that amount of significant figures implies strong confidence in that specific number. While I certainly get the "over 9000" meme, many FIRST mentors (especially those over the age of 35 or so) aren't going to, and may interpret that 9001 figure to be a more scientifically approached limit given the specificity to 4 sig figs.

snoman 29-12-2016 22:18

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Has any one tried 3d printing there own wheel of this type? I have a spool of a flexible material I have been wanting to try out.
https://ninjatek.com/products/filaments/ninjaflex/

RoboChair 29-12-2016 22:26

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1623970)
My only comment with the "9001" rating is that carrying things to that amount of significant figures implies strong confidence in that specific number. While I certainly get the "over 9000" meme, many FIRST mentors (especially those over the age of 35 or so) aren't going to, and may interpret that 9001 figure to be a more scientifically approached limit given the specificity to 4 sig figs.

You are assuming that the zeroes are not significant figures already. Zeros can be significant.

Tell a machinist to make a part with a dimension of 1.00000" and see how hard they hit you. Whereas 1.00" and they won't bat an eye.

Lil' Lavery 29-12-2016 22:28

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Originally Posted by RoboChair (Post 1623972)
You are assuming that the zeroes are not significant figures already. Zeros can be significant.

Tell a machinist to make a part with a dimension of 1.00000" and see how hard they hit you. Whereas 1.00" and they won't bat an eye.

Oh, I agree. But these aren't zeroes beyond the decimal point. The zeroes in "9000" could be significant, or they could be placeholders for the proper unit value. However, the zeroes in "9001" are definitely significant.

Richard Wallace 29-12-2016 22:34

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My simple minded calculation of stress on the 4" wheel in question:

The wheel's outer section ("rim") is about 5 mm thick, 25 mm wide, and 320 mm long. Its volume is about 40 cc. Assume its density is about 1.5 g/cc so its mass is about 60 gram or 0.13 lb.

At 9000 rev/min, the "rim" has ~4400g centripetal acceleration, or ~570 lb. centripetal load. This stress acts on the spokes and is divided equally among them, at least until the wheel loses symmetry by deforming. So each spoke takes one-eleventh of the centripetal load, or 52 lb. That spoke stress is born by the same cross-section as the rim, or about 0.2 square inch, so the material must withstand ~ 260 PSI.

Neoprene yields somewhere above 500 PSI. How much higher? Probably depends on the durometer.

Please, will a real mechanical engineer check this for me? I know it ignores stress-rise in corners, for example. Those will be more significant for the AM design than for the tear-drop spoke flex-grip rollers we've bought from McMaster-Carr.

PAR_WIG1350 31-12-2016 16:47

Re: New AndyMark Product Game Hint???
 
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Originally Posted by Lireal (Post 1623897)
What is on the paper that says product teaser?

It looks like this, but it doesn't seem to have been altered from its current version.

Andrew_L 31-12-2016 19:15

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Originally Posted by nathannfm (Post 1623875)
Interestingly, even at ludicrous speeds (+10,000 RPM) the hex will stay aligned if nothing touches it.

Good to know my shooter wheel will still function as long as nothing touches it. :rolleyes: ;)

Ginger Power 31-12-2016 19:29

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Originally Posted by nathannfm (Post 1623875)
Interestingly, even at ludicrous speeds (+10,000 RPM) the hex will stay aligned if nothing touches it.

How does it perform at bench grinder speeds?

Poseidon5817 31-12-2016 22:45

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Originally Posted by Ginger Power (Post 1624221)
How does it perform at bench grinder speeds?

There it is! :cool: :cool:

DonRotolo 02-01-2017 20:36

Re: New AndyMark Product Game Hint???
 
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Originally Posted by Billfred (Post 1623957)
A product that we want to tease. ;)

Children, please stop teasing the products. They might bite you ;)

chrisfl 02-01-2017 20:45

Re: New AndyMark Product Game Hint???
 
Well. West Coast Products may be propagating the rumors with their 2017 release. There are a lot of roller and conveyor parts :yikes:


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