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Hello CD
I know there's been a bit of discussion about the pros and cons of streaming kickoff on Twitch this year. But I have a couple of questions. 1. Twitch is always highlighting community members/events on their front page. To my knowledge, no FRC event has ever made the front page. Does anyone know if Twitch plans on highlighting Kickoff? Wouldn't that be a good opportunity to introduce a huge audience to FIRST? 2. Streams on Twitch can be tracked by their number of viewers. To make the front page by default, it takes about 10,000 viewers. Think we can make it happen? Hype levels are reaching critical levels... |
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Last year the FIRST World Championship was on the front page of twitch.
Libby Kamen knows a lot more about the ins and outs of twitch than I would bet most of the community does. Now I haven't read the other thread, but I bet she could share more about the pros and cons. |
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In response to your second question, front-page streams can be manually pinned by Twitch Staff should they deem the cause good enough. One example in recent memory was Zeldathon on SuperMCGamer's page, holding front-page admist 10k+ streams with 4-7k viewers, as they were fundraising for St. Jude. It's entirely possible FRC hits critical mass and gets to front-page, but we'll need some significant polish or a blessing from our OhMyDog overlords. Here's hoping that Twitch has FRC alum. (They do, see below for confirmation.) |
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Of note: FIRST was on the front page when GameSense was doing FIRSTChampLive. FIRST and Twitch are working together on bringing the audiences together, and Twitch is also working with the individual community shows (Robo Sports Network, FIRST Updates Now, etc). They have been introduced & are well acquainted - it's some of why Kickoff has moved to Twitch! I'm sure the folks behind the shows can say more on their end, if they'd like. I'm just speaking from the level I know. To your second point, I think what might do us in is that while each Kickoff location has hundreds or thousands of people, that's still only one Twitch 'view' - the computer it's being played from. I would hope that FIRST is in the hopper for front-page for this weekend. It'd be great to bring more eyes! In the same vein, though, I hope HQ is ready with moderation and anti-spam tools in chat. I'd hate for a big-name toxic streamer to go and bother our stream and make the Twitch chat a less than gracious place (as twitch-chat can sometimes be.) TL;DR STEAMWORKS OR RITO SMOrc |
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Yes, FRC has been on the front page of Twitch. RSN and FIRST worked with Twitch last year to put the FIRSTChampLIVE broadcast especially divisional playoffs and Einstein on the front page. We also got it on the front page this year during Chezy Champs.
And Twitch has TONS of FRC alumni, including our man Zach who's been working with many folks getting Twitch more involved with FIRST. |
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Perhaps off topic, but does it seem like the countdown on the stream is counting down to 11AM Eastern (instead of 10 or 10:30)?
https://www.twitch.tv/firstinspires |
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If only we had enough viewership to get custom emotes...
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A pro to Twitch is that I can reliably embed it on my team's website prior to the day of. We can send members directly to our website which they are familiar with and know that they will find their way.
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My only question: Will HYPERLUL be enabled?
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Of course my company's firewall blocks twitch as a gaming site. :mad:
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It will be interesting getting this running well around our NYC dept of Ed Websense filtering. I like the twitch platform but i'm sure it will be an issue for a lot more teams doing kickoff from their schools. We're creative so I'm sure we will all find a way.
Also it's good to see Twitch is finally recognizing FIRST on a large scale instead of picking and choosing acceptable streams. Quite the opposite from banning our 2015 NYC Regional stream mid day for "non gaming content" without further explanation despite reaching out multiple times :rolleyes: |
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It would still be exposure which is nice, but a live competition with commentary/video playback is likely much better for creating new fans of FRC. |
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There seems to be a second, closed-captioned stream. https://www.twitch.tv/firstinspires1
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The Non-Gaming Content bans, as far as I understood were an automatic 24-hour ban resulting from too many users flagging a page. Unfortunately Twitch has such slow support that the event would be over by the time anything could be done about it. :( Does anyone know if Twitch has any sort of partner program that gives pages immunity from automatic bans like that? If they do it might be something for events to look into. |
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@cbale2000
As mentioned earlier in the thread, Twitch now has categories for non-gaming content ("IRL," creative, and even eating). So no more fear of having non-gaming content banned. And, yes, Twitch does have a partnership program. The FRC GameSense channel is partnered on Twitch. But partnership does not grant immunity from bans (AFAIK), although it does grant a bevy of different features (custom emotes, integrated subscription system, etc). |
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Sean,
Those sections however have very strict guidelines. For example to not be banned for misusing IRL a person(the broadcaster) is required to be on camera ( https://help.twitch.tv/customer/port...672652-irl-faq) Code:
A: IRL is specifically for vlog-inspired, interactive content. If you are unsure whether the content you want to share fits within IRL, please set your broadcast to Not Playing.https://help.twitch.tv/customer/port...1-creative-faq Code:
Electronic and robotic projectsHowever, the fact the the partnership between FIRST and Twitch seems to be growing (since they are hosting the kickoff broadcast and had the Championship live stream hosted for 2016-and wasn even put on the front page) makes me hopeful they will either clarify under what section competitions can be streamed in or create an additional one that fits them. At the same time I know the New England FIRST has two accounts and has been streaming their competitions on Twitch for at least 2 years which is why I made the picking and choosing comment. Now that they are opening up beyond just gaming(again) I think they will definitely try to accommodate the FIRST community and our traffic. |
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Yesterday when I was in the chat I noticed there was a twitch staff member (fix) in the chat.
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Hey everyone, Zach here from Twitch. Just to give y'all a quick history, I'm an alum from Team 4 down in Los Angeles (2005-2009), went to LSU for Political Science, and joined Twitch on the Partnerships team about 18 months ago. Sorry for taking so long to jump into this thread as I've been working pretty diligently since the holidays to get the kickoff specifics orchestrated and just landed in New Hampshire myself. It seems like there's a lot of concern over the categorization and moderation of robotics content on Twitch, so let me say emphatically that both the creative portion (design/fabrication/assembly) and the competition are welcome on Twitch! If you're familiar with the history of Twitch (and Justin.tv), you know that there's been quite an evolution of content guidelines for the site. This developed out of a need to work closely with the community, both on the product and content fronts. After joining Twitch and working in gaming for about 6 months, we officially launched Twitch Creative which greatly expanded the content allowed on the site. Pretty soon after, I reached out to GameSense who did an absolutely fantastic job at producing a live show at the Championship in St. Louis. As many of you have pointed out -- IRL was the most recent expansion which has even further broadened the content guidelines. Basically, this has been the first few steps in an effort to #makeitloud -- Twitch's foundation is communities and I truly believe that FIRST & Twitch make a great alliance. As both an alum of the FRC program but also an audience member of Twitch before being an employee, I want to do what I can to make a positive impact on the community. I am here to listen to any feedback (positive and negative!), new ideas, or even help with any engineering/product development. Any thoughts of a way to make TwitchPlaysSTEAMworks happen? Really excited to see the kickoff stream and hope to see some MrDestructoid in the chat. |
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You would need a fenced-in field to make it more safe, and you'll need an E-Stop button on hand. I assume you wouldn't have access to a FMS, so scoring would need to be done manually or by replicating the scoring system used by the game and hooking it up to an Arduino that sends serial to the streaming PC to update a scoreboard overlay on the stream if you wanted to. |
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I don't think driving an old FRC robot via Twitch chat would be smart (high chance of breaking the robot or someone getting hurt) but it would be neat to make some purpose-built robots with kit chassis and stuff and do Twitch-plays to control that. Maybe the chat only controls the drivebase, but a human controller does the other robot functions? Heck..we're gonna have 11 Robot in 3 Days teams that will have functional robots by next Tuesday. Let's drive those! |
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WE MADE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE!!!!!
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Chat is crazy... They need to add more mods
(I also got a 10 minute ban for warning people of the certain cad company's spoilers) |
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With all this talk about steam, is this the water game we've all been waiting for????
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So we got steam and flying. Water game with drones?
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I want to say thanks FIRST and Twitch for doing the captioned stream. I wasn't in a position to listen, but was able to read/watch. +1 for this, do it next year too! |
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