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dcarr 07-01-2017 16:01

Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
We put together a quick quiz this morning to spark discussion about rules and scoring. Thought I'd share it here in case it's useful to anyone else. As our understanding of the rules evolves, it may become apparent that there are mistakes on the quiz - if so, please let me know!

https://goo.gl/forms/sFxgJK5uyucrPwJ73

tpvagnini 07-01-2017 19:37

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
I like this resource. It goes over most of the important game play and robot rules this year.

A couple of minor errors I found were on the scoring questions.

On question 7: I calculated the answer to be 189 points, 3RP. In auto 39 high goals = 39 points. One rotor = 60 points. 30 fuel in high goal in teleop = 30/3 = 10 points. 4 gears on the lift can only start 2 rotors even with the spare gear so that's another 2*40 points. The rope climb does not award any points due to insufficient time. 39+60+10+80=189.

On quesiton 8: According to 7.3 G13 contact between opposing robots in the retrieval zone is a tech foul which is 25 points according to section 4.4.
So the correct answer should be 128 points and 25 foul points.

I of course may be wrong in my calculations so I would appreciate it if someone would double check my work.

Again, for the most part it was really useful, I'll definitely share it with my team. Thanks for putting this together.

dcarr 07-01-2017 21:06

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Thanks for the feedback. Let me share how we arrived at these answers:

For question 7:

Auto: 39 Fuel points, 60 Rotor points, 5 Baseline points. This was mistakenly omitted from the description - it is possible to place gears without crossing the baseline. I've corrected that mistake.
Teleop: 10 fuel points, 40 rotors (rotor two requires 2 gears, rotor three requires another 4 gears, which we don't have).
Total = 39 + 60 + 5 + 10 + 40 = 154.


For question 8:

The 25pt tech foul for contact in the retrieval zone is correct. However, there is also another tech foul at play. The question states that the pilots engage two Rotors during Auto, but only 2 Gears were delivered to the Airship during auto. The reader is left to conclude that the Reserve Gear was used by the pilots in auto, generating another tech foul per A05 for a total of 50 foul points.

RNRice2 07-01-2017 21:20

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
For question 7, I think I see a context problem.

During AUTO, a robot can start with up to 10 FUEL. With their being only 3 robots per alliance, their is a maximum of 30 FUEL. It appears that it would be impossible for an alliance to score 39 FUEL during AUTO.

If a team was to somehow score 39 shots, is there another way for the alliance to obtain FUEL during AUTO?

NShep98 07-01-2017 21:24

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RNRice2 (Post 1626824)
For question 7, I think I see a context problem.

During AUTO, a robot can start with up to 10 FUEL. With their being only 3 robots per alliance, their is a maximum of 30 FUEL. It appears that it would be impossible for an alliance to score 39 FUEL during AUTO.

If a team was to somehow score 39 shots, is there another way for the alliance to obtain FUEL during AUTO?

A team could release extra fuel from the hoppers and attempt to score it.

dcarr 07-01-2017 21:24

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RNRice2 (Post 1626824)
If a team was to somehow score 39 shots, is there another way for the alliance to obtain FUEL during AUTO?

The hoppers

RNRice2 07-01-2017 21:29

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

Chak 08-01-2017 03:26

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dcarr (Post 1626809)
The 25pt tech foul for contact in the retrieval zone is correct. However, there is also another tech foul at play. The question states that the pilots engage two Rotors during Auto, but only 2 Gears were delivered to the Airship during auto. The reader is left to conclude that the Reserve Gear was used by the pilots in auto, generating another tech foul per A05 for a total of 50 foul points.

Yet, for this question:
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Quiz
Pilots can use the Reserve Gear to activate a Rotor during auto

The answer key says "no", but on that other question you take into account that the pilot could do it and take the foul; it's just not worth it at all. So why is that ignored in this question?

Also, there's unclear wording in this question:
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Quiz
The Red alliance does the following during Auto: 5 Fuel in the Low Efficiency goal, 2 Gears delivered to the Airship, cross Baseline. The pilots engage two Rotors during Auto. The same robot scores the following in Teleop: 4 Fuel in the High efficiency Goal. It contacts a Blue alliance robot in its retrieval zone. How many points did the Red alliance score, and how many foul points did the Blue alliance get? *

emphasis mine
"It" presumably refers to the red alliance robot. But does "its" refer to the blue alliance robot, or does it refer to the red alliance robot (it/its in the same sentence)? The answer key seems to indicate that "its" referred to the blue alliance robot, but that wasn't clear.

Well, I'm just nitpicking details. This is a great resource! I enjoyed the trick questions.:]

Lady-of-Fandoms 08-01-2017 14:45

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
This is a great quiz! My team does a comprehensive rules test at the end of build season, so would you mind if I used some of these?

dcarr 08-01-2017 15:37

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady-of-Fandoms (Post 1627251)
This is a great quiz! My team does a comprehensive rules test at the end of build season, so would you mind if I used some of these?

Absolutely

dcarr 08-01-2017 16:16

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chak (Post 1627048)
Well, I'm just nitpicking details. This is a great resource! I enjoyed the trick questions.:]

Good feedback, I clarified the language on those questions

RoboRebels5988 20-01-2017 20:16

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Thanks for shAring this quiz. We would love to use it for our prep👍🏼😀

hhoover 20-01-2017 23:38

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
I think an update is in order.

"2 Gears delivered to the Airship, cross Baseline. The pilots engage two Rotors during Auto"

Ummm... if only 2 gears get delivered, only ONE rotor can be engaged.

Also, with the baseline moved, I don't think you can deliver a rotor WITHOUT crossing the baseline (as opposed to the original rules).

I think it's appropriate to update the quiz as the rules morph during Q&A and Team Updates.

Thanks for this, though! I do think it's a useful resource!
--Hugh

EricH 20-01-2017 23:42

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hhoover (Post 1634304)
I think an update is in order.

"2 Gears delivered to the Airship, cross Baseline. The pilots engage two Rotors during Auto"

Ummm... if only 2 gears get delivered, only ONE rotor can be engaged.

Also, with the baseline moved, I don't think you can deliver a rotor WITHOUT crossing the baseline (as opposed to the original rules).

I think it's appropriate to update the quiz as the rules morph during Q&A and Team Updates.

Thanks for this, though! I do think it's a useful resource!
--Hugh

Please take into account the Reserve Gear. It's entirely possible to start 2 rotors during Auto.

That being said, your opponents thank you for the 25 points you gave them by taking the Reserve Gear out of its slot.

hhoover 21-01-2017 19:52

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1634306)
Please take into account the Reserve Gear. It's entirely possible to start 2 rotors during Auto.

That being said, your opponents thank you for the 25 points you gave them by taking the Reserve Gear out of its slot.

Check rule A05: "PILOTS: don't take the "free" GEAR yet."

hhoover 21-01-2017 19:57

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hhoover (Post 1634606)
Check rule A05: "PILOTS: don't take the "free" GEAR yet."

along with the 25 points thing...

I think you'd end up with a yellow card pretty quickly if you did this - repeatedly violating a rule.
T03. Egregious or repeated violations of any rule or procedure is prohibited.
Violation: The Head REFEREE may assign a YELLOW CARD as a warning, or a RED CARD for
DISQUALIFICATION in MATCH.

EricH 22-01-2017 01:18

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hhoover (Post 1634606)
Check rule A05: "PILOTS: don't take the "free" GEAR yet."

That's EXACTLY what I meant by the "giving your opponents 25 points". Thank you for making my case for me.

60 points to you for a rotor vs 25 points to your opponent is a very tempting tradeoff, y'see?

Basel A 22-01-2017 02:07

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1634709)
60 points to you for a rotor vs 25 points to your opponent is a very tempting tradeoff, y'see?

I mean, it's tempting if you enjoy getting yellow cards. T03 is an important rule.

hhoover 22-01-2017 02:08

Re: Steamworks Rules Quiz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1634709)
That's EXACTLY what I meant by the "giving your opponents 25 points". Thank you for making my case for me.

60 points to you for a rotor vs 25 points to your opponent is a very tempting tradeoff, y'see?

Yeah - you likely would get away with it ONCE in the early regionals - better make it count - but I suspect at later tournaments the yellow cards would fly.

Then again, is that REALLY in the spirit of Gracious Professionalism?


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