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Thayer McCollum 08-01-2017 17:24

Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss (Post 1626664)
It's definitely possible, but it requires all three robots to place a gear. I imagine that situation will be about as common as 70 point autos were for Stronghold.

I expect three gear/two rotor autos will be even less common because not only do all three robots have to deliver a gear but two humans have to retrieve three gears, then place one of them on the center spot, fit the other two into their spots and spin the crank three times. I just don't think that the pilots will be able to move fast enough for that to happen. I expect we'll see it once or twice but no more than that.

Cothron Theiss 08-01-2017 17:28

Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ollien (Post 1627270)
Interestingly, unless I'm missing something, the manual doesn't reflect this "three full rotations" bit. Only the field tour.

According to the field tour, the FMS doesn't recognize that the GEAR set is being rotated until after three rotations, so that indicates to me that the scoring will coincide with the rotor actually turning, or in case of a field issue, the corresponding light activating.

I do wish that the manual didn't say the GEAR sets "engage the corresponding rotor." That implies to me that the GEAR sets are physically meshed with the rotor, when the field tour explains that the GEARs drive an encoder, which tells the FMS to turn on the rotor.

Zeke E 08-01-2017 18:06

Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cothron Theiss (Post 1627366)
According to the field tour, the FMS doesn't recognize that the GEAR set is being rotated until after three rotations, so that indicates to me that the scoring will coincide with the rotor actually turning, or in case of a field issue, the corresponding light activating.

I do wish that the manual didn't say the GEAR sets "engage the corresponding rotor." That implies to me that the GEAR sets are physically meshed with the rotor, when the field tour explains that the GEARs drive an encoder, which tells the FMS to turn on the rotor.

Looks like we've got ourselves a steamacrit. It is odd that we don't have any written proof of how many rotations it takes, if there is a set number. Field tour makes sense, but I just can't bring myself to trust something not in the manual.

Josh Tatum 08-01-2017 20:43

Re: Scoring of rotors
 
If they do not change the rules, a team could take the reserve gear and put it into the first Rotor. This would get them the 100 points but because the other alliance to also get 25 points which means that the alliance would net 75 points, which is greater than the 40 they would get if they waited for teleop.

Bronze 08-01-2017 21:16

Re: Scoring of rotors
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh Tatum (Post 1627490)
If they do not change the rules, a team could take the reserve gear and put it into the first Rotor. This would get them the 100 points but because the other alliance to also get 25 points which means that the alliance would net 75 points, which is greater than the 40 they would get if they waited for teleop.

Good point. However, if you did do this, by employing a strategy that purposefully generates a foul (repeatedly), you are going quite seriously against the spirit of FIRST.

That being said, I am almost certain that the rules intended for autonomous rotors to be 60 points total, not 60 then 40. This would make the tech foul for taking the reserve gear and powering a rotor more of a penalty than the point bonus for getting an auto rotor. (you get 20, they get 25).

botster 09-01-2017 01:56

Re: Auto Rotor Point Total?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thayer McCollum (Post 1627361)
I expect three gear/two rotor autos will be even less common because not only do all three robots have to deliver a gear but two humans have to retrieve three gears, then place one of them on the center spot, fit the other two into their spots and spin the crank three times. I just don't think that the pilots will be able to move fast enough for that to happen. I expect we'll see it once or twice but no more than that.

I would just like to point out that there has been no rule against all three robots placing their gear on the close spring. That would make scoring three gears considerably easier and faster than having robots drive to the far side of the airship, turn, and then place their gear.

frcguy 09-01-2017 02:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by botster (Post 1627653)
I would just like to point out that there has been no rule against all three robots placing their gear on the close spring. That would make scoring three gears considerably easier and faster than having robots drive to the far side of the airship, turn, and then place their gear.


Interesting idea, although I'd definitely check the Q&A for legality.

Bo8_87 10-01-2017 18:23

Re: Scoring of rotors
 
https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.n...amUpdate01.pdf

The team update states that rotors are scored only if they are not previously scored, so I interpret this as a rotor scored in autonomous won't be recounted for teleop.

Quote:
For each ROTOR turning by period’s T=0,
that’s not previously been scored

jlindquist74 10-01-2017 18:49

Re: Scoring of rotors
 
From today's Team Update 1:
Quote:

For each ROTOR turning by period’s T=0, that’s not previously been scored
The red text is new. If it was scored in autonomous, it won't be scored again at the end of teleop. (The 4-rotor bonus, of course, still stands if you get all four turning.)


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