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2017 Manual 3.11.4: "A BOILER processes FUEL in to [sic] steam at an average rate of five (5) FUEL per second per GOAL, but actual rate is dependent on the amount and packing of FUEL in the GOALS (i.e. the tighter the packing in a GOAL, the faster the FUEL processing rate)."I too cannot reconcile these two statements. How can the range be 4 to 5 and the average be 5? (Do note that there was one mistake in this video that's already been corrected in the description: the dimensions of the high goal opening. But this issue is not mentioned.) |
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In regards to whether or not the boiler is worth it: Yes, in the right situation. Say your alliance has time to score 10 gears. So you score 10 gears, then climb. You've gotten 3 rotors spinning with 0 fuel. But you had 3 rotors spinning at 7 gears - you've completely wasted time scoring 3 gears because those 3 give you a grand total of zero points. Whereas if the opponent alliance had the same gear scoring speed, but stopped at 7 and scored fuel for the remainder of the match, then climbed, that alliance is victorious. And also maybe got an extra RP. I can't speak for whether or not the boiler is "worth it" in eliminations. But the boiler is an incredibly easy way to get a RP during quals, especially with a strong autonomous. |
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A lot of this has probably already been said, but:
I see a lot of parallels in the scoring setup between Steamworks and Stronghold. I think we will see alliance setups work very similarly. In stronghold, defenses were the 'easier' scoring method, and they initially returned much more points. The problem is there were only so many defenses, and once they were all broken there was nothing left to do. This is the same as gears. Really good shooters struggled in quals last year because they struggled to put up a lot of points. In elims however the match usually hinged on the performance of the alliance's shooter(s) because all defenses on both sides just got broken every match. Elims this year will be decided by shooting fuel. I expect both sides in elims will get all or all but one rotor, and the differentiating factor will be which team can shoot more balls. |
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What we are seeing this year is a bit of an inverse of 2016. The 'easy RP' is in the fuel, a task many teams may choose to ignore, in 2016 quite a few teams were selected for defense breaking ability. The 'hard RP' is in the gears, similar to breaking the tower (with high shots). 40kPa seems easier than 13 gears at any rate. I think we will see a lot of bots working towards that magical 7th gear and picking up fuel at minimal time-cost within the gear cycles. When the bots' fuel storage is full they will shoot or dump. |
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I discovered my Production Possibility Curve did not include the 40 points of steam bonus for elims. Here is the updated figure:
The same assumptions apply, namely 128 max fuel score. EDIT: check a few posts below for the NOT SCREWED UP (mad at myself) curve. |
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We reviewed some of these strategies, including defensive strategies, in our video update of weeks 1 & 2 of this season, so check that out for additional info and to see how some teams are implementing these strategies! https://youtu.be/PJhMr0CW83s |
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I think you *must* have some sort of ability to manipulate gears and some sort of hanging mechanism to be in elims, because if you have somebody on your alliance who can't do one or the other, you're at least 50 points down (100 if it's gears they can't do) and you have to score 150-300 high goals just to make up for that! |
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I know I have a bias towards shooting, but at extremely high levels of play there will be alliances that max out the gears (provided FIRST doesn't adjust the number required) after that what's left? Climbing and shooting. If you were going to climb in the last 10 sec that leaves you only with shooting. This year I think we could see scores exceeding 400 in division playoffs. (again assuming no FIRST score adjustment)
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