How to get gears fast
 

Go to the enemy player station and beg for a gear until they give you one or you get a foul. Or you can cooperate with the other team before the match and give gears to each other.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

I believe one way, which most teams are probably thinking of, is to be capable of receiving gears from the loading station and get across the field in 4-6 seconds with being able to place the gear in at most 3 seconds

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Begging Robot: Please give me a gear.

Gear Ninja: NO GEARS FOR YOU!

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Re: How to get gears fast
 

Isn't going into the opponent loading station a violation?

Re: How to get gears fast
 

only if their robot is present. it's worth knowing these rules.

you can't sit in your opponent's key (shooting area near boiler) for 5 seconds, but the limit on loading zone is based on hitting an opponent.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

Collusion:
Each alliance agrees to scoot the 18 gears into the opponent's driver station. They now belong to the opponent alliance.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

The only rule I can find applies to being in the KEY, not the LOADING STATION. Also the loading rules aren't ALLIANCE color specific.

This also doesn't seem to break the conduct rules (eg C01/C02) as it's not used to 'throw' a match, if the action is reciprocated (eg both teams can use the other team's loading station).

I would also expect Q&A to nuke this.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

I expect some red or blue tape to be added to the gears. You can only score your alliance color gears. Reminds me of the noodles.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

If one team is asking the other team on a different alliance to change how they play to make it easier for everyone, that is specifically against C02 and C03. I do expect Q&A to address this.

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In the heat of battle the other alliance might slide a gear into your robot if they aren't paying attention to what color you are.

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These are talking about one-sided events - throwing a match. If both alliances agree, it's an equally competitive strategy, not throwing the match.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

THE RESURRECTION OF THE NOODLE ALLIANCE!!

In all reality though, good idea. I think that FIRST won't like the collusion, because it means that some teams won't have heard the idea and will be punished for it.

While I hope to use this myself, I don't think it will be allowed.

Good luck all!

Re: How to get gears fast
 

for them to agree, one must start the conversation, which entails one team asking the other if they agree with X. Therefore, one team is asking the other to X, even if they already know about X and agree willingly. The asker is breaking one rule, and the other team is breaking the other.

It's pretty clear that this strategy is against the intent of the rules.

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Pretty sure this strategy would net both alliances a red card under H07.

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Actually, Doug's point about H07 made me re-read H08 which explicitly forbids this strategy. H07 only prevents someone from leaving their zone, but does not prevent the "gear donating" alliance from sliding game pieces to the "gear receiving" alliance over the line.

H08 specifically does prevent this action, so we don't even need Q&A clarification any more. this "strategy" causes the donating alliance to "deliberately cause GAME PIECES to leave" their loading lane via a parth not allowed in the 3 point rule.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

H08 prohibits the ability to pass the gears into the opposing Alliance Station from your Loading Lane. However it does not prevent you from loading gears into the robots of the Opposing Alliance.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

The first person has no idea what he is talking about. The other team is NOT going to give you their gear!

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this is NOT going to happen!

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This estimate seems very optimistic to me, especially when you consider defense. In fact I think gear bots will be a very attractive target for defense even during qualification matches this year

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I like how working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in some years is considered "coopertition" and working with the other alliance to earn mutually beneficial ranking points in other years is considered "collusion."

I think I'll just go on the offensive and tell teams they are not in the spirit of coopertition if they don't want to work with me. :rolleyes:

Re: How to get gears fast
 

It depends on the game, the scenario, and if it's designed in. 2015 is a prime example. The Coopertition totes were the "allowed and approved" method. The noodles were something the teams came up with, and the GDC nerfed it. In 2016 there really wasn't anything. 2012 had the coop bridge, which had its own collusions...

Basically, if it's part of the game challenge and designed in as such, it's coopertition. If it's not part of the original game challenge, it's collusion. (Not official definitions, just what I've observed the reactions being.)

Re: How to get gears fast
 

2015 was a weird animal because of how ranking worked. I would not expect to see anything like the noodle agreement this year. One team getting the gear ranking point does not benefit the other team at all. Additionally, a team getting all four rotors running is going to result in a lot of points potentially winning the match and depriving their opponents of 2 ranking points. Unlike in 2015 where ranking was entirely based off of average match score. Your ranking was almost independent of your opponents score. This is not true this year where the largest component(50%) of your ranking is the relative score. Helping your opponents during a match to score points is not going to be beneficial to you this year.

Re: How to get gears fast
 

Not only that its back and forth ..... possibly 6 sec +2 but another 6sec +2 and another 6sec + 2 before another cycle... thats 24 seconds not to mention defense and sight.

In weeks 1 and 2 , I expect a dedicated good gear bot to place about 3 gears max successfully before endgame climb....

later season Top teams might be able to 7 or 8 before climb

Re: How to get gears fast
 

the noodle agreement all over

Re: How to get gears fast
 

I honestly feel that a floor pickup could be the fastest way to get a gear. Also, opens up the opportunity for a *cough* 3 gear autonomous ;) .