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bdaroz 10-01-2017 18:13
Team Update 1 Posted
 
https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.n...amUpdate01.pdf

Bkeeneykid 10-01-2017 18:23
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
This seems particularly relevant to teams designing how fast their robots can shoot:
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The capacity of the Low Efficiency GOAL is seventy (70) FUEL. The capacity of the High Efficiency GOAL is one-hundred and fifty (150) FUEL. FUEL that exceeds GOAL capacities will fall back on to the FIELD.

Foster 10-01-2017 18:25
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Love this:
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Bumpers Included:
Seriously, R3 says bumpers are included in overall robot size this season. For real.
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Drawing Omissions:
This year, certain field equipment drawings are excluded because we don’t believe they are relevant to a robot’s interaction with the field, and they may provide a solution to an element of the game challenge.
Interesting concept to hide the details about this for the first 6 weeks. But how do they stop people from looking in the next 7 weeks and making changes?

pwnageNick 10-01-2017 18:27
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2017 Team Update 1
Drawing Omissions: This year, certain field equipment drawings are excluded because we don’t believe they are relevant to a robot’s interaction with the field, and they may provide a solution to an element of the game challenge.
Doesn't the second half of this sentence contradict the first half? If they aren't relevant to robot interaction then how can they provide a solution to an element of the game challenge.

Emphasis mine on the quote. The only way this sentence makes sense is if the "solution to an element of the game challenge" is in relation to human interaction rather then robot interaction, which I find troublesome.

rich2202 10-01-2017 18:27
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Drawing Omissions:
This year, certain field equipment drawings are excluded because we don’t believe they are relevant to a robot’s interaction with the field, and they may provide a solution to an element of the game challenge.
Field drawing providing a solution? Magazine for a shooter? Conveyor lift to load the shooter?

Kevin Sevcik 10-01-2017 18:41
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1628863)
Doesn't the second half of this sentence contradict the first half? If they aren't relevant to robot interaction then how can they provide a solution to an element of the game challenge.

Emphasis mine on the quote. The only way this sentence makes sense is if the "solution to an element of the game challenge" is in relation to human interaction rather then robot interaction, which I find troublesome.
The two boilers are giant fuel hoppers and the GDC has designed a system to remove ALL fuels from these hoppers at a rate of 5 per second. In a controlled enough fashion to accurately count them. I guarantee you there are teams that would LOVE to have details of this design so they can iterate on it and shave weeks off their design time.

Cory 10-01-2017 18:44
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1628873)
The two boilers are giant fuel hoppers and the GDC has designed a system to remove ALL fuels from these hoppers at a rate of 5 per second. In a controlled enough fashion to accurately count them. I guarantee you there are teams that would LOVE to have details of this design so they can iterate on it and shave weeks off their design time.
And then there's the majority of us who just want to make sure we're practicing in as close to real conditions as possible and want to make sure we know how the sorter/counter affects that.

I'm pretty sure this is FIRST signaling they're not confident their design works yet and they don't want a ton of people complaining when they build said design and it isn't robust.

guniv 10-01-2017 18:50
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
H15. A pre-populated GEAR may not be removed from its AXLE.
Violation: RED CARD.
Darn! This was gonna be my Q&A question.

Jon Stratis 10-01-2017 18:53
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik (Post 1628873)
The two boilers are giant fuel hoppers and the GDC has designed a system to remove ALL fuels from these hoppers at a rate of 5 per second. In a controlled enough fashion to accurately count them. I guarantee you there are teams that would LOVE to have details of this design so they can iterate on it and shave weeks off their design time.

Count me as one of those people that wants to know how FIRST's system works so I can copy it :). Of course, the boilers have a rather large footprint, and there's no guarantee that it can be effectively scaled down within a robot.

pwnageNick 10-01-2017 18:54
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
And then there's the majority of us who just want to make sure we're practicing in as close to real conditions as possible and want to make sure we know how the sorter/counter affects that.

I'm pretty sure this is FIRST signaling they're not confident their design works yet and they don't want a ton of people complaining when they build said design and it isn't robust.
This sounds about right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik
The two boilers are giant fuel hoppers and the GDC has designed a system to remove ALL fuels from these hoppers at a rate of 5 per second. In a controlled enough fashion to accurately count them. I guarantee you there are teams that would LOVE to have details of this design so they can iterate on it and shave weeks off their design time.
If this is what the statement is referring to (which I believe it is) and it is something I would possibly want to build on my robot then it is effecting robot interaction.

Like Cory said, being able to build an accurate representation of the field is what most teams would like to get out of the drawings.

Also, off the top of my head, I can think of 33 from 2006 who had a similar spinning hopper similar to the boiler. Some info on their design is in the 2006 Design book that was published (similar to the ones that came in the kit last year about 2015 for those not around in 2006).

GaryVoshol 10-01-2017 18:57
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by guniv (Post 1628882)
Darn! This was gonna be my Q&A question.
They saved you (and the Q&A people) the trouble. That's a good thing.

Andrew_L 10-01-2017 19:06
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pwnageNick (Post 1628885)
If this is what the statement is referring to (which I believe it is) and it is something I would possibly want to build on my robot then it is effecting robot interaction.
If they didn't want it to be used by teams, they shouldn't have posted it on their facebook.

bdaroz 10-01-2017 19:39
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Just a warning: There is a link to the "manual" on the Q&A Site, however it appears as though it is not updated with the team update. (As of this post anyway.)

Jarren Harkema 10-01-2017 19:52
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
The low efficiency boiler, with a cap of only 70 fuel, looks less and less appealing as time goes on.

niklas674 10-01-2017 20:02
Re: Team Update 1 Posted
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarren Harkema (Post 1628930)
The low efficiency boiler, with a cap of only 70 fuel, looks less and less appealing as time goes on.
Did it ever look appealing?


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