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ToddF 12-01-2017 22:26

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
As it stands, the QA system is unusable. Trying to read all the answers starting from question 1. This is the sequence of clicks I need to go through:
1) Scroll to bottom of page.
2) Click the 10 box.
3) Scroll to bottom of page.
4) Click the 11 box.
5) Scroll to bottom of page.
6) Click the #1 question.
7) Read the answer.
8) Hit the back button. Which takes me back to question 114 (at this time).
9) Goto step 1. Repeat 114 times.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

And not to just be a complainer, please accept these suggestions for improvement.
- Don't require a click to a separate webpage to view the answer to a question. Just print it under the question, so we can quickly scroll through the list. I see that clicking on the question takes you to a webpage with stats about the question. I don't care about the stats. I just want to see the answer.
- Make clicking on the question take you to the webpage with the question stats, or even keep the answer there. Just put the answer under the question without making me click to a separate page.
- When I hit the back button, take me back to the page I came from, not the top of the list.
- Fix the sort drop down menu at the top of the page. When I hover over it, I get a "don't do that" icon.

Seriously, I and the other mentors on my team have given up trying to read the answers. I just don't have the hours it would take to use this system.

techplex 12-01-2017 23:34

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Hi Todd,

I understand your frustrations. We are working on a fix that will help with the readability of the answers.

For now the best way is to see just the answered questions on this page:
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered

As others have pointed out a right click and open in new tab will allow you to keep your place.

Sorry this is so frustrating for you.
Blake

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1630307)
As it stands, the QA system is unusable. Trying to read all the answers starting from question 1. This is the sequence of clicks I need to go through:
1) Scroll to bottom of page.
2) Click the 10 box.
3) Scroll to bottom of page.
4) Click the 11 box.
5) Scroll to bottom of page.
6) Click the #1 question.
7) Read the answer.
8) Hit the back button. Which takes me back to question 114 (at this time).
9) Goto step 1. Repeat 114 times.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

And not to just be a complainer, please accept these suggestions for improvement.
- Don't require a click to a separate webpage to view the answer to a question. Just print it under the question, so we can quickly scroll through the list. I see that clicking on the question takes you to a webpage with stats about the question. I don't care about the stats. I just want to see the answer.
- Make clicking on the question take you to the webpage with the question stats, or even keep the answer there. Just put the answer under the question without making me click to a separate page.
- When I hit the back button, take me back to the page I came from, not the top of the list.
- Fix the sort drop down menu at the top of the page. When I hover over it, I get a "don't do that" icon.

Seriously, I and the other mentors on my team have given up trying to read the answers. I just don't have the hours it would take to use this system.


Tom Bottiglieri 13-01-2017 01:33

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
I hope they are able to fix some of these issues. The site is pretty unusable as is.

Cory 13-01-2017 02:29

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techwiz (Post 1630340)
Hi Todd,

I understand your frustrations. We are working on a fix that will help with the readability of the answers.

For now the best way is to see just the answered questions on this page:
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered
Blake

As a heads up, none of the sorting methods in the drop down box on the page you've linked actually sort the results.

DaveL 13-01-2017 03:04

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Before I looked here, I checked out the Q&A site.
I had the same reaction as many of the people that posted.

Yes, having the answer right below the question is key.
Not having a way to return to from the answer is important until the answer is posted under the question. If you can combine Q with A, the return problem is eliminated.

When a file (pdf maybe) of the Q & A's are available, I would like it organized by time (first question, then 2nd question...
As an enhancement, use the viewers search settings to organize the output.

I'm using FireFox 50.1 with win 7 and was able to open the answers in a new tab.

I was able to sort by oldest. That gave me the results in the order that they were submitted. It was easy to see the progress of the answer team by doing it this way as most of the early questions were answered and down the line they are mostly unanswered.

I also like the fact that each Q and A has a unique url. That way I can share it with my team by simply copying and pasting the url into an email.

There was a statement in the intro about how the new system would be integrated into the manual. Can anyone explain how that works? I was hoping that there would be a link from the answer to the associated paragraph in the manual. Does this function exist or is it going to be part of a future upgrade?

Foster 13-01-2017 03:49

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techwiz (Post 1630340)
Hi Todd,

I understand your frustrations. We are working on a fix that will help with the readability of the answers.

For now the best way is to see just the answered questions on this page:
https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered

As others have pointed out a right click and open in new tab will allow you to keep your place.

Sorry this is so frustrating for you.
Blake

iPad with the latest updates, click the link shown above and it seems to be in some redirect loop trying to load pages.

Pat Fairbank 13-01-2017 04:05

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Here's an RSS feed of answered questions: https://static.patfairbank.com/frcqa.rss

techplex 13-01-2017 08:00

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveL (Post 1630393)
There was a statement in the intro about how the new system would be integrated into the manual. Can anyone explain how that works? I was hoping that there would be a link from the answer to the associated paragraph in the manual. Does this function exist or is it going to be part of a future upgrade?

To answer your question, on a question/answer page (https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/22) under the questions stats there is a link to the manual section as defined by the GDC.

Further any question that FIRST Staff post that has a rule in ie: I04 that blue icon in the text is a link to that rule in the manual.

rich2202 13-01-2017 08:15

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
How about a CD thread where people post a question with its answer. Not sortable, but would be, roughly, in Answer order.

Ken Streeter 13-01-2017 08:49

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
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All I want from the Q&A system is a way to get a simple file (PDF would be awesome) of all the questions with their answers (if answered), so that I can just "read" the Q&A to see what questions have been asked, along with their answers (if answered yet).

The old system used to do the above, and was basically the only way I ever used the old system, other than to ask a question. Attached is an example of one of the PDF files from the old system.

It seems like the request for a "read all the Q&A questions and answers without any additional clicking" is the most common one in this thread, by far:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark McLeod (Post 1629348)
Any way to get a simple list of all ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boltman (Post 1629588)
Can we please just get a list of answers to questions answered to download?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rachel Lim (Post 1629562)
These are all the Q&A responses that were up when I copied them over ...: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Quote:

Originally Posted by bstew (Post 1629716)
In previous years, it has been possible to download a pdf of all of the answered questions. Is this a planned feature?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ToddF (Post 1630307)
Seriously, I and the other mentors on my team have given up trying to read the answers. I just don't have the hours it would take to use this system.

+1

engunneer 13-01-2017 08:57

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Fairbank (Post 1630397)
Here's an RSS feed of answered questions: https://static.patfairbank.com/frcqa.rss

thanks for this. I was considering something similar. hopefully updates to the system don't break this without replacing it.

techplex 13-01-2017 09:03

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
@everyone

We listened to your feedback and built a new page just for you. Hopefully this helps you find the answers you were looking for.

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered

Siri 13-01-2017 09:08

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rich2202 (Post 1630421)
How about a CD thread where people post a question with its answer. Not sortable, but would be, roughly, in Answer order.

The big danger here is that the GDC has changed answers (retroactively) in the past. These are typically also discussed in Team Updates, but getting folks in the habit of checking CD for official Q&A can end up really problematic.

EDIT:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techwiz (Post 1630436)
@everyone

We listened to your feedback and built a new page just for you. Hopefully this helps you find the answers you were looking for.

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foster (Post 1630395)
iPad with the latest updates, click the link shown above and it seems to be in some redirect loop trying to load pages.

My Samsung Android is also stuck in this loop. That's odd, because I think successfully I've used the Answered page before, but it's unusable (now from that link).

engunneer 13-01-2017 09:19

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Techwiz (Post 1630436)
@everyone

We listened to your feedback and built a new page just for you. Hopefully this helps you find the answers you were looking for.

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/answered

that's currently hitting a reload loop. Thanks for the continued efforts. I can see how it will be better in the long run

Mark McLeod 13-01-2017 09:21

Re: FIRST FRC Q&A
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by engunneer (Post 1630441)
that's currently hitting a reload loop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siri (Post 1630438)
My Samsung Android is also stuck in this loop.

I can hit the refresh/stop button in Firefox to make it stop the incessant flashing.


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