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Francis-134 11-01-2017 13:28

[RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
After a great premiere of check_in last night, we're really looking forward to the GameSense Holiday Special with FRC Director Frank Merrick tonight at 9 ET!

After we finish our discussion with Frank on STEAMworks, we'll be doing a little Q&A with the viewers. So if you've got questions on how this year's game came to be, post them in this thread! We'll pick the best and ask Frank a few on the show TONIGHT at 9 PM ET at twitch.tv/FRCGameSense . We will also be accepting questions live as always via our chat-bot.

NOTE: This is not a chance to ask your FRC Q&A system question on what is or is not a rope, or whether velcro is a good rope.

Hitchhiker 42 11-01-2017 13:33

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At what point in time is the initial idea for the game created? How early do you start on each year's game (many years in advance or...)

Bkeeneykid 11-01-2017 13:35

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Going off Mark's question...

How did the creation schedule for STEAMWORKS compare with STRONGHOLD or Recycle Rush? Was it further ahead of schedule, behind, about even?

mman1506 11-01-2017 13:36

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
What's your reasoning behind deciding to omit some parts of the field drawings?

Lil' Lavery 11-01-2017 13:46

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Are we to expect "themed" games for each upcoming season in the near future?


What led to the concept of having students ON the game field during live matches? How much heartburn was there about that decision?


Are we to expect vision obstructions for drivers to become the new norm in FRC game design? Is it an intentional feature that's being designed into the game to up the engineering challenge, or simply a byproduct of other game design priorities?
(Follow up: If an intentional feature, how much weight is given to spectator experiences? Upping this particular engineering challenge often comes at the direct detriment of spectator experience, as the quality of on-field play is lowered by drive teams having limited visibility."

Sperkowsky 11-01-2017 13:50

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Did you guys consider mini bots in the creation of the game? The entire theme seems to point towards them. Rope climbing mini bots using only the default ropes would have been a fun challenge.

ATannahill 11-01-2017 13:53

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Do you like the prisoner dilemma design challenge? (teams have to choose one of two game aspects to focus on without knowing what other teams will focus on, risking too many or too few gear/fuel focused bots)

What process will field reset utilize to count 50 fuel balls per hopper container?

VIKotic Dave 11-01-2017 14:12

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Do you enjoy building the game as much as we enjoy playing it ?
Do you sit back a play the game with other FIRST employees sometimes?
If so how well did you do?

Kevin Sevcik 11-01-2017 14:17

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1629354)
Are we to expect "themed" games for each upcoming season in the near future?


What led to the concept of having students ON the game field during live matches? How much heartburn was there about that decision?


Are we to expect vision obstructions for drivers to become the new norm in FRC game design? Is it an intentional feature that's being designed into the game to up the engineering challenge, or simply a byproduct of other game design priorities?
(Follow up: If an intentional feature, how much weight is given to spectator experiences? Upping this particular engineering challenge often comes at the direct detriment of spectator experience, as the quality of on-field play is lowered by drive teams having limited visibility."

I want to upvote all Sean's questions. #1 especially. "themed" games led BEST down a rabbit hole of ever zanier and more complicated games, and I'd rather FRC avoid that.

Stappy 11-01-2017 14:17

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What is the reasoning behind the new robot size format?

Poseidon5817 11-01-2017 14:20

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Does Frank have any regrets about aspects of previous game designs, especially Stronghold and Recycle Rush.

notmattlythgoe 11-01-2017 14:33

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PayneTrain 11-01-2017 14:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by notmattlythgoe (Post 1629400)

please try to keep q's original like either this



or more commonly this



thanks

Kevin Sevcik 11-01-2017 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PayneTrain (Post 1629402)
please try to keep q's original like either this



or more commonly this



thanks

There's only on Q that matters in the grand scheme of things.

petercooperjr 11-01-2017 14:46

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As this year's game is almost entirely scored automatically by the field, how much testing has been done to ensure that scoring is handled reliably? Are there any backup plans in place to do manual scoring in the event some or all of the field fails to function properly?

MARS_James 11-01-2017 15:06

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What is the logic behind the decision made to change the schedule for kick off teams to receive field drawings?

If the drawings weren't done that is frankly unacceptable as the field had to have gone through play testing by then, if not then how can FIRST be sure that the game is fair, and the "team built field" elements are anywhere close to reasonable facsimile?

If it was done for competitive integrity, why did it matter this year over a game that gave arguably a bigger advantage in 2016?

If it was to prevent field leaks why not create a small difference in each drawing so if the drawing is posted you know where the leak came from? (Kim Kardashian figured this out with her baby photos, I assume people at FIRST are smarter than her)

VIKotic Dave 11-01-2017 15:11

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by VIKotic Dave (Post 1629384)
Do you enjoy building the game as much as we enjoy playing it ?
Do you sit back a play the game with other FIRST employees sometimes?
If so how well did you do?

That should be "sit back and play..."
I can not find a way to edit.
They do not call me omd (old man Dave) for no reason.
The team also has "idf" (it's Dave's fault)

Hitchhiker 42 11-01-2017 15:17

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To Frank: Why Steamacrits?

jaredhk 11-01-2017 15:21

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When will we see major updates to (S)TIMS? There are clearly improvements in the works but most of what we've seen so far has been minor and registration is still a very involved process.

rsisk 11-01-2017 15:38

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Any chance we can just decide that releasing team versions of the field drawings before kickoff does not give away that much of the game but could be beneficial to teams who want to start day 1 with field elements?

Pauline Tasci 11-01-2017 15:46

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This field is one of the hardest for average teams to recreate accurately. With the team drawings, pilots will get no interaction or practice before competition and drive teams will have a hard time practicing without a superstructure in the way that are not provided in team drawings.

Teams then have the hard decision to make of delegating resources, time, and money to developing a "hybrid" between the team and field drawings to get a semi accurate practice pieces/field.

Was that taken into consideration upon picking this game/field and something FIRST wants to improve on in later years?

Thanks :)

JR0405 11-01-2017 15:49

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Will we be seeing video replay soon?

rich2202 11-01-2017 15:50

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Any thoughts on how Ref'ing will go this year? Doesn't seem like a lot for the Ref's to watch for. You still might need 4 Ref's (plus the HR) in order to see all parts of the field.

Will FMS do the Rotor and Touch Pad Scoring? Or will that be done by the Ref's?

cgmv123 11-01-2017 16:27

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Did you inform McMaster Carr that up to 3000+ FRC teams would all be attempting to acquire a very specific spring ASAP all on the same weekend?

Eric Scheuing 11-01-2017 16:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ATannahill (Post 1629365)
What process will field reset utilize to count 50 fuel balls per hopper container?

1... 2... 3... 4...

In all seriousness though, I'm curious about the answer to this too.

MARS_James 11-01-2017 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Scheuing (Post 1629502)
1... 2... 3... 4...

In all seriousness though, I'm curious about the answer to this too.

there will probably be 1 person for each hopper who is assigned two clear totes, while the current match is going on they are counting our 50 fuel for each tote, they then deliver the 2 totes to each hopper during reset.

I am guessing field reset and field clearing will be two different roles withing the field reset crew

The Doctor 11-01-2017 16:47

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What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen wiffle ball?

the programmer 11-01-2017 17:31

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Two questions:
  • In the past, FRC games have been scored "when objects come to rest". What was the reasoning for moving away from that this year?
  • What was the reasoning for having the actual points for gear scoring being linked to a somewhat time consuming human action. This probably won't come into play too much in teleop but will have a huge impact on auto.

maxnz 11-01-2017 18:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Doctor (Post 1629514)
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen wiffle ball?

High or low density polyethylene?

Siri 11-01-2017 18:48

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rsisk (Post 1629447)
Any chance we can just decide that releasing team versions of the field drawings before kickoff does not give away that much of the game but could be beneficial to teams who want to start day 1 with field elements?

Follow-up: if not, would the GDC consider at least releasing the "buy list" or BoM of the team drawings as an annual game hint to help teams hit the ground running?

bobbysq 11-01-2017 20:25

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Can we use Twitch Chat as the Q&A while the site is down?

Francis-134 11-01-2017 20:25

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OK, we're going to close submissions here on CD. If anyone has any more questions, you'll have to tune in live at twitch.tv/FRCGameSense and send them in via our chat bot.

Show starts in just about 1/2 hour!

ATannahill 11-01-2017 20:39

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MARS_James (Post 1629511)
there will probably be 1 person for each hopper who is assigned two clear totes, while the current match is going on they are counting our 50 fuel for each tote, they then deliver the 2 totes to each hopper during reset.

I am guessing field reset and field clearing will be two different roles withing the field reset crew

But the fuel balls are recycled during the match, they are not set aside to be counted after entering the goal. Are you thinking each event will have two sets of balls, one on the field and one being counted at all times?

MARS_James 11-01-2017 22:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ATannahill (Post 1629644)
But the fuel balls are recycled during the match, they are not set aside to be counted after entering the goal. Are you thinking each event will have two sets of balls, one on the field and one being counted at all times?

yes, it is usually standard practice to have atleast 2 fields worth of game pieces (sometimes more) in these games I wouldn't be surprised to have them do field reset this way, honestly this is the quickest way to do it.

Francis-134 12-01-2017 09:48

Re: [RSN] Give Us Your Q's for Frank to Answer Tonight!
 
Thank you everyone for tuning in last night, and a big thank you to Frank for joining us on air!

If you missed it live, you can watch the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMhDAbQY9Ac.


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