$4,000 Robot Budget
 

Where are the rules/guidelines for the robot expenses posted? If you use materials you already have (extra extrusion, wires, roboRIOs, etc) from past years, do you have to count it in the $4,000 budget? Also, what are the exceptions to the $4,000 rule, if any?
Thank you!

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Check in the Robot Rules section around page 66 - I think you'll find a plethora of information regarding cost accounting of all kinds of parts.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Yes. The budget rules state this clearly. You have to cost anything that isn't included in the Kit of Parts, FIRST Choice, etc.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Section 8.4 in the game manual. For the limit and the exceptions, R10:

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Remember that $450 of PDV counts as KOP items... ie: 5 Talon SRX's

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

The Talons were also in FIRSTChoice so they are already KOP items.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

There's so much stuff that's except because it is or used to be a KOP item that I often wonder how anyone comes close to a $4000 budget at this point.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Glossary:

Edit: And in Section 8.1.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

I think we got pretty close one year. Electronics are expensive :ahh:

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

What's confusing about this to me, is that I thought, in the past, you could cost each instance of a KoP item at $0, even if you had more of those than were included in the KoP. I've never HAD to do this, but I always thought it was a thing you could do.

Does the PDV rule work differently than the rest of the KoP costing rules? Because otherwise, you could argue anything on the AndyMark website costs $0, in any amount, and that just seems like nonsense.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

I am curious - are you planning on spending over $4000 on your robot? We rarely spend over $2100, (not including KOP items).

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

The only teams I've ever heard of who were seriously constrained by the budget limitations were using top of the line sensors in several places on their robot (e.g. a swerve drive with 2-3 sensors per pod, plus other automation). Those sensors can easily eat hundreds or thousands of dollars.

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

Q117 Costing of an item partially obtained with a PDV?
In the event that a VENDOR has supplied a PDV (thus items via that PDV are a KOP item), however the COTS items purchased cost more than the value of the PDV (the PDV was used to offset the cost), does that item now become a KOP item, particularly for the purposes of R10 and R11? Say that the PDV was $40, but an item cost $100. Is the cost not reported per R10 since this is now a KOP item? Another example: the cost is $1000. Is this legal per R11 since it is now a KOP item?
asked 6 days ago by FRC 4263
KOP

Answer
Apologies for the confusion! We have updated the language in Section 8.1 in Team Update 03 to more clearly specify that for an item to be considered part of the KOP it must be "paid for completely, except shipping, with a Product Donation Voucher (PDV)."

https://frc-qa.firstinspires.org/qa/117

Re: $4,000 Robot Budget
 

No, we are not planning to go over budget.