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2017 Team Update 4
https://firstfrc.blob.core.windows.n...amUpdate04.pdf
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Thanks Ryan!
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Also, 1st pick won't be able to see the loading station well. |
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The fact that there's a steel piece that extends past the touch plate so you can't actually use your climber to touch the plate would have been good information to have a week ago. Glad we know now but how many teams will find themselves up and not climbed?
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But yes, it's going to be rough for teams whose winch or chock is right at the top of their allowable volume. |
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*Assuming you don't actuate your winch out over the bumper and also the winch is situated a tad higher than your bumpers. |
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--- As for playoff player station assignments, this system seems okay. I do wish you were allowed to choose which player station you could go to, but I understand why that isn't done, and as long as that isn't a thing, this is the best we've got. |
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I'm happy they at least made both alliances even in terms of player stations, but I hoped they would switch the picks around or just let the alliance pick what stations they want. Better than nothing I suppose.
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I am very happy to see the change with player station assignment. That was the one aspect of this year's game that I was particularly upset with. I agree with Chris: while selecting our own stations would be ideal, this is the next best thing. Thank you, FIRST, for listening to the community's concerns.
Does anyone know what the "FIRST Championship Normalized Slots" refers to in Table 10-11 (the district award allocations)? The Houston-feeding districts have them and they're around one-fifth less than the "FIRST Championship slots". |
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I just dont get it. Why cant teams choose which stations they want to be in?
Is it a matter of convenience for Field control to input them way in advance? How about doing something for once that makes it convenient for teams. Other events/games in the past during eliminations have allowed teams to choose. Its not like those events were at such an inconvenience to the volunteers. |
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Is it just me, or are the Min and Max headers reversed in Table 10-11?
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Winch near the bumpers...oh, yes, we did consider the "antichrist option" early in design, but decided to make our lift in a relatively upright orientation to simplify removal of our ROPE from the DAVIT. Fortunately the fingers on the DAVIT are within reach of some members of our team. |
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FMS is designed to expect a team in a certain location. At a minimum, the ethernet port is programmed for that team number. I can appreciate that it would be "nice" to let a team pick their spot. I'm guessing to minimize problems, they keep positions hard coded. FWIW: I don't think there is a requirement that the driver stay in their team's position. If you bring a long enough ethernet cord, you can be in whatever position the teams agree. |
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* - The only time teams have ever been able to choose what player station they are in is during FIRST Championships. However, never during normal Regional, District, nor District Championship tournaments. I asked one of the Championship Scorekeepers once why they didn't allow station selection except at Championships, and they said it was because of the 4-team alliances or something to that effect. I think I'd be cool with 4-team alliances at a Regional tournament if that was the tradeoff! -George |
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I also want to say that the rule was changed to allow shuffling team stations around that year, but don't recall for sure. |
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Longtime scorekeeper here. As soon as the previous match is scored, we begin the setup for the next match. The major part of that is setting up the field access point to respond only to the six teams coming onto the field and to establish a virtual private network for each team. This is why you have no comms if you're in the wrong station. Station assignments also allow the FTA to see exactly what is going on with your team linking to the field by looking at the stack lights.
Schedule generation attempts to make a qualification schedule that maximizes the variety of partners and opponents, maximizes time between matches, balances appearance on red/blue and in each station, among other things. Giving teams the opportunity to alter this for every match not only makes my job much harder, but would likely slow down the process, resulting in fewer matches per team. There also seems to be an opportunity for better teams to strongarm a weaker team into an inferior position, which wouldn't be GP. Many offseason events don't use a full FMS and instead set up shared networks with no VPN. In those events it wouldn't matter which station you're in. |
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But, the GDC has ruled the way they ruled. I expect there will be some complaining during the season. I would also expect that whoever ISN'T a Pilot or Driver/Operator will be busy as extra eyes, unless they're the Human Player on Loading Lane duty. |
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Last year's FMS (I haven't seen this year's yet) did not have the ability to do individual edits to the schedule, so it would be up to the scorekeeper to override the schedule prior to each match. I know it looks like we're just sitting on our butts behind the scoring table, but we're really busy during match play and busier that that during most breaks (especially prior to alliance selection). We're trying really hard to make sure you get on the field on schedule and that every match is run as fairly as possible. There are also impacts to queueing to consider. |
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FIRST has their reasons for what they do, even if they don't always share the full thought process. The fact that they addressed it in a team update shows that they are thinking about it. |
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