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bdaroz 27-01-2017 01:45

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by niklas674 (Post 1636946)
Number 1 is legal.

How is that illegal? The only rule I can find that comes close is A04 - and that's just keeping out of the opponents launchpad. Nothing about getting balls from a hopper mid-field.

Poseidon5817 27-01-2017 02:12

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by bdaroz (Post 1636972)
How is that illegal? The only rule I can find that comes close is A04 - and that's just keeping out of the opponents launchpad. Nothing about getting balls from a hopper mid-field.

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Originally Posted by niklas674 (Post 1636946)
Number 1 is LEGAL.

Emphasis added.

OMGRobots1 27-01-2017 03:06

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
I think the top level(high seed alliance captain) teams will be scoring gears and shooting simultaneously. I believe that that the top 1% will also get a hoppers worth of balls and go to their shooting position, although I doubt there will be much more than 1 gear plus 30-40 shots ever. Median teams will either drop off a gear (relatively consistently) or miss a lot of high goal shots. Low level teams will cross the baseline.

JordanManowitz 27-01-2017 08:58

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
Just to clarify in auton a robot can go into the neutral zone and get balls from the hoppers?
Say a robot gets est 30 additional balls from the hopper will it still be 1 fuel 1pt if shot in the boiler during the auton? Or only the 10fuel that your allowed in the beginning be that 1:1 ratio and any additional will be 3:1?

Was just wondering if someone could clarify.

EricLeifermann 27-01-2017 09:01

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by JordanManowitz (Post 1637022)
Just to clarify in auton a robot can go into the neutral zone and get balls from the hoppers?
Say a robot gets est 30 additional balls from the hopper will it still be 1 fuel 1pt if shot in the boiler during the auton? Or only the 10fuel that your allowed in the beginning be that 1:1 ratio and any additional will be 3:1?

Was just wondering if someone could clarify.

All fuel scored during Auto in the HEG is 1 point and 1 KPA per fuel regardless of where the fuel came from.

Also you do not have to go into the neutral zone to get fuel from a hopper. There are hoppers much closer than that

cad321 27-01-2017 09:04

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by JordanManowitz (Post 1637022)
Just to clarify in auton a robot can go into the neutral zone and get balls from the hoppers?
Say a robot gets est 30 additional balls from the hopper will it still be 1 fuel 1pt if shot in the boiler during the auton? Or only the 10fuel that your allowed in the beginning be that 1:1 ratio and any additional will be 3:1?

Was just wondering if someone could clarify.

Any FUEL processed in the High Efficiency Boiler during the autonomous period is scored at a 1:1 ratio. That includes balls collected from a hopper during autonomous. Remember though, processed FUEL and FUEL that has entered the boiler are two different things.

Nathan Streeter 27-01-2017 09:11

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery (Post 1636905)
If there's a team that can place a gear on the lift with sufficient time to start a rotor, open a hopper, receive and index the hopper's balls, and shoot 40+ balls with enough time for them to be processed before the end of autonomous I'll be beyond impressed. The amount of teams capable of that will be something we can count on one hand.

I agree that it will be exceptionally rare... but I do think it will be achieved this year. Probably <=5 teams, agreed.

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Originally Posted by JordanManowitz (Post 1637022)
Just to clarify in auton a robot can go into the neutral zone and get balls from the hoppers?
Say a robot gets est 30 additional balls from the hopper will it still be 1 fuel 1pt if shot in the boiler during the auton? Or only the 10fuel that your allowed in the beginning be that 1:1 ratio and any additional will be 3:1?

Was just wondering if someone could clarify.

Any fuel processed by the HG in auto gets the 1:1 ratio... doesn't matter where it's sourced from.

Also note, there is one hopper - right near your HG - that is fully within your own launchpad... and the auto rule only prohibits breaking the volume (entering) your opponents' launchpad (A04), so the other two hoppers in the neutral zone are fair game too... although its conceivable your opponents may be gunning for them too.

JordanManowitz 27-01-2017 09:40

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
Another question I have is where can I find the distance from the closest gear lift to the boiler? I ask this because a team theoretically could shoot (the 10fuel given) while placing a gear (this would be possible if a shooter was in the back of the robot and the gear mechanism in the front) . The gear lift closest to the boiler is very closely aligned with the boiler and it looks like a great place to shoot from.
Would a robot that could do that (say ~50% if the time) be valuable?

Donut 27-01-2017 13:53

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by JordanManowitz (Post 1637038)
Another question I have is where can I find the distance from the closest gear lift to the boiler? I ask this because a team theoretically could shoot (the 10fuel given) while placing a gear (this would be possible if a shooter was in the back of the robot and the gear mechanism in the front) . The gear lift closest to the boiler is very closely aligned with the boiler and it looks like a great place to shoot from.
Would a robot that could do that (say ~50% if the time) be valuable?

A robot that can consistently place a gear in autonomous is already valuable and in the top 20-30% of teams at an event. A robot that can score autonomous fuel while consistently scoring said gear is a top 5 robot at every event and has a strong chance at #1 seed, unless their drivers are just awful for some reason.

Gravity 27-01-2017 17:22

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by Donut (Post 1637121)
A robot that can consistently place a gear in autonomous is already valuable and in the top 20-30% of teams at an event. A robot that can score autonomous fuel while consistently scoring said gear is a top 5 robot at every event and has a strong chance at #1 seed, unless their drivers are just awful for some reason.

Just imagine a turreted robot shooting a stream of balls into the boiler while sprinting to place a gear. Majestic.

GaryVoshol 27-01-2017 17:52

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1636242)
1. 50/60 balls in high goal
2. 8/10 balls in high goal, possibly plus gear and / or emptying a hopper
3. One gear 50% of the time
4. Drive forward

You forgot
5. Just sit there

Because there's always some teams that never get their ROBOT driving before Bag Day, let alone think about auton.

Green Potato 27-01-2017 17:52

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
I'm waiting for the one that (accidentally) goes ridiculously quickly all the way to the other side of the field, knocking off the opponents' drivers station, eliciting statements like, "I thought this stuff was over last year."

Ari423 27-01-2017 17:58

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by Green Potato (Post 1637225)
I'm waiting for the one that (accidentally) goes ridiculously quickly all the way to the other side of the field, knocking off the opponents' drivers station, eliciting statements like, "I thought this stuff was over last year."

"We needed to dump the neutral zone hoppers as quickly as possible. We just forgot to stop once we got there." :yikes:

ns3517 27-01-2017 20:13

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ns3517 27-01-2017 20:25

Re: What autonomous modes will teams have?
 
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Originally Posted by messer5740 (Post 1636408)
But wouldn't having an auto mode for 2 gears violate A01 "Behind the lines. During AUTO, DRIVE TEAM members in ALLIANCE STATIONS and LOADING LANES may not contact anything in front of the STARTING LINES, unless for personal or equipment safety." and since you can only have one gear on your robot...

They would use their alliance partners gear. If the alliance partner say can't score the gear in autom.


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