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Tyler Olds 31-01-2017 15:09

FIRST Global Challenge
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pajzF106O50

Official FIRST competition that will take place in different country capitals each year. The first one will take place in July in Washington DC.

http://first.global/

We'll be discussing this on our shows over the next couple weeks.

bdaroz 31-01-2017 15:19

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
So... FRC Champs but 1 per country?!?

I'm missing something here.....

itsjustjon 31-01-2017 15:21

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdaroz (Post 1638713)
So... FRC Champs but 1 per country?!?

I'm missing something here.....

It appears to be a separate program from FRC. I believe it's the next tier above the progression of FIRST Program (JrFLL, FLL, FTC, FRC, Global).

Could be wrong, but Global appears to also be FRC with a humanitarian twist.

Big-b 31-01-2017 15:24

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bdaroz (Post 1638713)
So... FRC Champs but 1 per country?!?

I'm missing something here.....

Seems like the best of each country builds a new robot with a new challenge. This year, it is about "access to clean and drinkable water"

Roboshant 31-01-2017 15:26

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
english build systems guide: http://first.global/wp-content/uploa...-Guide-1-1.pdf
U.S team: http://first.global/nations/team-united-states/

Samueldobens 31-01-2017 15:30

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
It will be very interesting to see if people move from FRC to First Global like a lot of people move up the current FIRST ladder of programs.

droneexpert87 31-01-2017 15:30

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Very interesting, i'm looking forward to seeing how the teams to represent a country with a lot of FRC teams already established (like the US) will be picked.

Also, if you take a look at the manual that's on the website (http://first.global/wp-content/uploa...-Guide-1-1.pdf), it looks as if this competitions robots will be completely different from FRC.

Edit: I just saw the post two above me, seems like the US Team has already been picked.

Christopher149 31-01-2017 15:32

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roboshant (Post 1638719)

My first thought was, "hey, new REV parts for FTC!"

Jacob Bendicksen 31-01-2017 15:32

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Big-b (Post 1638717)
Seems like the best of each country builds a new robot with a new challenge. This year, it is about "access to clean and drinkable water"

Not to be that guy, but...water game?!?!

Samueldobens 31-01-2017 15:33

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacob Bendicksen (Post 1638724)
Not to be that guy, but...water game?!?!

Yes, absolutely a water game.

tjf 31-01-2017 15:38

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
First point, they actually got a freaking water-game. I'm shocked.

Secondly... What are the restrictions on this? Who can actually do this?

EDIT: Still high-school students. "FIRST Global invites one team from every nation to participate in an international robotics event that builds bridges between high school students with different backgrounds, languages, religions, and customs."

Roboshant 31-01-2017 15:39

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Initial thoughts:

Build system looks relatively simple, robots seem to be more of a FTC or VEX EDR type of scope. Should be relatively easy to put together for inexperienced teams from some of these poorer countries. Frankly, I do not think this will become a program that competes with FRC or FTC, or will be something that FRC teams look to progress up to.

The very fact that there is only 1 team from each nation sets a cap on its potential growth. I feel that this competition is primarily for second and third world nations, so that they can work on amazing solutions for the future as well as introduce FIRST as a whole to their countries. Having a single national team makes it much easier for teams in poorer areas to receive funding. Hopefully when these people are introduced to our program they will increase the presence of other FIRST programs in their countries.

PayneTrain 31-01-2017 15:40

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
I can hardly imagine what it will be like to have a single event where all of the nations involved in FIRST have an opportunity to compete against one another.

#loweffortposting

cadandcookies 31-01-2017 15:43

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Looks like REV's FTC offerings may be the kit of choice. Depending on the scale of the challenge, that sounds pretty good to me-- we've been extremely happy with their parts for FTC.

Also looks like they have some new products on the horizon (like a pulley system!!!). Very much excited to see what FIRST Global ends up looking like.

Also, I really like that control system, at least physically. Hopefully FIRST likes it to and we get to use it for FTC in a year or two.

Steven Smith 31-01-2017 15:45

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

The very fact that there is only 1 team from each nation sets a cap on its potential growth. I feel that this competition is primarily for second and third world nations, so that they can work on amazing solutions for the future as well as introduce FIRST as a whole to their countries. Having a single national team makes it much easier for teams in poorer areas to receive funding. Hopefully when these people are introduced to our program they will increase the presence of other FIRST programs in their countries.
I see it more as a marketing/PR type of thing that is intended to drive growth in the other FIRST programs, versus getting growth purely within itself. As noted, they won't be striving for team growth as much as visibility/exposure, both for the FIRST program tree as well as individual efforts to expand FIRST into areas in the developing world.

Roboshant 31-01-2017 15:58

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
apply to join the Global Stem Corps here:

group: http://bit.ly/GSCgroupApplication
individual: http://bit.ly/GSCindividualApplication

Monochron 31-01-2017 15:59

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Robot sizes look similar to that of Vex/FTC? Interesting way to compete against Vex :P. Seems like they are keeping the barrier to entry low, and borrowing the theme-ing from FLL. And using so many REV parts is pretty awesome!
It really seems like it came out of nowhere too. Really interesting, but not all that fleshed out yet, I really want to know more.

tjf 31-01-2017 16:00

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Now that I've had time to recover from the panic of a water game, a few observations:
  • It seems to be more similar to FTC than to FRC.
  • It uses REV, rather than NI or IFI parts.
  • It is not referenced on the official FIRST social media yet, I found it through FUN.
  • Dean is still the lord and sav-I mean founder.
  • Seems to be either another nonprofit legally, or a branch of FIRST that hasn't been updated on the firstinspires.org site.
  • Seems to have a higher production value than their other media.

All in all.... competitor to VEX... with a WATER GAME. Huh.

jaredhk 31-01-2017 16:01

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
  • Interesting that the copyright is "International FIRST Committee Association" and they are their own 501(c)(3). FIRST is 22-2990908 and Global is 81-1060352. Also, FIRST Global received nonprofit status in October of 2016.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tjf (Post 1638742)
    • Seems to be either another nonprofit legally, or a branch of FIRST that hasn't been updated on the firstinspires.org site.

  • There is absolutely no mention (as far as I can tell, so far) of FIRST .
  • The only thing I see that they share is a partial logo, Dean Kamen, New Hampshire (FIRST Global shares an address with DEKA), and robots (well...More Than Robots).

Roboshant 31-01-2017 16:11

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Looks like this will replace the FIRST Future Innovator Award.

Quote:

Teams are welcome to continue building all the way until the team arrives in Washington, DC for the competition on July 13, 2017.
No stop build day lol

itsjustjon 31-01-2017 16:33

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaredhk (Post 1638743)
  • Interesting that the copyright is "International FIRST Committee Association" and they are their own 501(c)(3). FIRST is 22-2990908 and Global is 81-1060352. Also, FIRST Global received nonprofit status in October of 2016.


  • There is absolutely no mention (as far as I can tell, so far) of FIRST .
  • The only thing I see that they share is a partial logo, Dean Kamen, New Hampshire (FIRST Global shares an address with DEKA), and robots (well...More Than Robots).

This might be akin to Google's Alphabet in the sense that there is an overarching organization which oversees programs of varying content. With FIRST having a parent organization such as this, there is flexibility with leadership roles administratively,

Basically, FIRST's name is a franchised product. Slap a logo on a new competition and it's a part of the FIRST Family of Programs, but it doesn't necessarily have to be directly linked to FRC, FLL, FTC, etc.

cadandcookies 31-01-2017 16:52

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roboshant (Post 1638739)
apply to join the Global Stem Corps here:

group: http://bit.ly/GSCgroupApplication
individual: http://bit.ly/GSCindividualApplication

For those that aren't planning to look through the entire website, GSC looks like a great way for individuals or teams to help the FIRST Global teams (many of which appear to be from areas with little or no FIRST presence). Since the US team has already been chosen (it's Schrodinger's Hat, an FTC team from Alaska), it would be a great way to get involved and support this new program.

Tyler Olds 31-01-2017 16:56

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Opening Ceremonies is on a Sunday? Is this for teams/countries that might have religious restrictions?

Schedule:

We arranged that the total cost of 6 nights of lodging actually costs less than the total costs for 4 nights, so rooms will be available for teams from July 14 to July 20. The Opening Ceremony will be on July 16 and the Closing Ceremony on July 18. Teams should make travel arrangements in order to arrive on July 14 and leave on either July 19 or July 20.

Ben Martin 31-01-2017 17:06

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Anyone have any idea why @FIRSTweets hasn't said anything about it yet?

bobbysq 31-01-2017 17:17

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Smith (Post 1638733)
I see it more as a marketing/PR type of thing that is intended to drive growth in the other FIRST programs, versus getting growth purely within itself. As noted, they won't be striving for team growth as much as visibility/exposure, both for the FIRST program tree as well as individual efforts to expand FIRST into areas in the developing world.

In addition, there doesn't appear to be much difference than this and FTC just looking at the control system and building system. I even wouldn't be surprised if the current FTC stuff gets dropped for the Rev control system whenever the Modern Robotics deal is up.

Also, what are you willing to bet it'll be in Tokyo in 2020?

FTC5110 31-01-2017 17:24

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
So this is very much independent of FIRST and zero communication made to existing program partners about it. Aparently New Zealand has a team http://first.global/uncategorized/team-new-zealand/
Funny thing is there was no selection process and despite organizing all the other FIRST events down here this is news to me....
Don't see how this displaces or complements existing truely global programs like FLL and growing programs such as VRC or VIQ. Aside from great video production exactly what is on offer?

Greg Needel 31-01-2017 17:32

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
I am excited about this announcement as everyone else, and am extremely humbled that FIRST Global choose REV to work with to provide the parts for these robots.

There is alot of information that has been released, but much more is coming in the upcoming weeks and months. The main goal of this organization is not to compete with other robotics programs both inside and outside of FIRST, but to provide a new method of reaching students and countries that have not been represented or given the ability to participate in STEM robotics before.

As you might have read on the website there is going to be only one team from each country represented at these events allowing for a fair and balanced competition where anyone with ingenuity and hard work can compete on the big stage. This follows closely to the Olympics model, where no matter how big or small a country is there are limited spots at the games.

While I would like to answer any/all of your questions, I will likely defer most of them off to the folks at FIRST Global, as REV is just the partner for supplying the platform* which teams will use. As with any new program there are always more questions than answers, but I am sure that everything will be cleared up soon.

If you are interested in getting involved the best ways are to signup to volenteer for the event in July or become part of the Global Stem Corps to help support the teams around the world.


*Parts used in FIRST Global were designed specifically for FIRST Global and they will eventually become available to anyone interested in using them for personal projects, classroom materials or competition robots, depending on availability after FIRST Global is taken care of and pending what the rules of programs allow.

smitikshah 31-01-2017 21:49

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
So, wow.

Maybe I can try helping to answer some questions, though I am not in any way a representative of FIRST Global or any affiliates, I'm not an official and I'd only listen to me at your discretion.

That being said, I have a network of 6-7 friends in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania. I've known them for a little over a year through our participation in the New York Academy of Sciences programs (http://thejunioracademy.org/). After meeting them for the first time in July, we had a chance to speak about the HUGE STEM gap, especially in Tanzania, between the haves and have-nots (for lack of better term at 10 pm.)

Long story short, I helped coordinate some outreach efforts between my team and the group. Overtime I got a bunch of messages from the group asking all about our robot, and FIRST and the build season. Noticing how they were so keen, I resolved to bring FRC to them, and we were working on plans for starting a pre-rookie team until about just under a month ago. They said that they were now starting this thing called FIRST Global competition, and they wanted to focus on that, and would resume work on bringing an FRC team after July.

Having never heard of this before I researched it for a long while, and came to find nothing. I tried asking him what they did and it seemed to be just a mix of FTC with a humanitarian aspect (as some pointed out). I guessed it was just a small region specific competition, but I was wrong.

After learning about this here today, it all makes sense. They have a period to build (not sure about bag and tag type day), and according to one member of the Tanzanian team, they only come to DC if they "qualify", and I think they said something about an interview but I'm not too sure. They are getting shipped a robot kit and are going through much of the same design process as other FIRST competitions. They were also assigned a mentor whom they had not previously known, but the mentor seems to be extremely qualified.

I don't believe it's as much of a stepping stone after FRC as some are thinking. I think FIRST might have wanted to create this as an opportunity to be able to bring the organization to various countries. In all honesty, trying to start a pre-rookie Tanzanian FRC team is probably one of the hardest things I've done, aw there was a STEEP learning curve for the students on the receiving end. This seems to be less of a competition that needs that thing, and an easy way to get into various countries with no FIRST exposure a starting point to eventually bring FRC to.

So far my friends love it, and will not stop talking about it!

If you have any casual questions about what kids think of it, please dm or respond to me. I'll pass it along to the team I know. Though I would definitely rely on FIRST before sourcing anything too serious out of me.

I'm so excited to see what this program brings, specially for international STEM students!

jaredhk 01-02-2017 00:29

Re: FIRST Global Challenge
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by itsjustjon (Post 1638755)
This might be akin to Google's Alphabet in the sense that there is an overarching organization which oversees programs of varying content. With FIRST having a parent organization such as this, there is flexibility with leadership roles administratively,

Basically, FIRST's name is a franchised product. Slap a logo on a new competition and it's a part of the FIRST Family of Programs, but it doesn't necessarily have to be directly linked to FRC, FLL, FTC, etc.

Although when Google did that, it came with an announcement to investors and the public shortly thereafter. It also didn't actually change anything major from a public perspective. They did some reorganizing internally but didn't really change, add, or remove any programs.

BUT I do see where you're going with this -- it is definitely an option it is just weird that there has been no word from HQ, regardless.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Olds (Post 1638761)
Opening Ceremonies is on a Sunday? Is this for teams/countries that might have religious restrictions?

This problem continues to exist in all of the other FIRST programs. I have seen some creative solutions in FRC. In FLL here in LA, teams fought for years to add Sunday events - they finally won.

Israel already does this by having midweek events (Tuesday-Thursday) so if it is a concern, this is definitely another way to handle it.


I'm sure we'll hear more about all of this soon.


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