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007agentHP 03-02-2017 21:45

pic: Team 5624 Steamworks Robot Teaser
 

StrMNX 03-02-2017 21:47

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A great looking robot. Although i'm curious, whats the speed/gearing of that drive train?

007agentHP 03-02-2017 21:54

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Originally Posted by StrMNX (Post 1640155)
A great looking robot. Although i'm curious, whats the speed/gearing of that drive train?

It is geared for 11 ft/s.
WCP SS gearbox with 44:30 reduction and 14t pinion gears

WTFogland 03-02-2017 21:56

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How are you properly going to use the NavX as it is mounted on the side of your robot?

ollien 03-02-2017 21:57

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Why do you have shaft collars on your drive shafts? You're using thunderhex. Just tap it for 1/4-20 and use a washer + bolt to retain the wheel.

Or is this a conscious design decision I'm missing?

ollien 03-02-2017 21:57

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Originally Posted by WTFogland (Post 1640164)
How are you properly going to use the NavX as it is mounted on the side of your robot?

This is completely possible.

http://www.pdocs.kauailabs.com/navx-...ion/omnimount/

Lil' Lavery 03-02-2017 22:29

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Originally Posted by ollien (Post 1640165)
Why do you have shaft collars on your drive shafts? You're using thunderhex. Just tap it for 1/4-20 and use a washer + bolt to retain the wheel.

Or is this a conscious design decision I'm missing?

If you have the space on the end of the shaft for a shaft collar, there's really no downside to using BOTH a shaft collar and a tapped 1/4-20. Extra security.

EricH 03-02-2017 22:37

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I'll be that guy:

I assume you have a plan to have your side bumpers properly supported per R31, and it just isn't visible yet? Front/back look to be OK, if the bumpers will fit within the volume.

*Disclaimer: This is CD in Week 4 of Build Season, not your first event, so any rules concerns and/or rulings are based on what is presented here, not the inspection at said first event. There is zero chance that "But CD said it was OK" will get you through inspection.

Fusion_Clint 03-02-2017 23:02

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As long as that 1X1 tube running front to back is 7 inches or lower and that is backing the bumper it could work, I'm guessing the lower edge is at 6 inches. I will recommend bringing some support closer to your wheels either way.

You climber is interesting, it is the first one I've seen in awhile that I think has a chance of actually pressing the touch pad.

Chris is me 03-02-2017 23:49

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Originally Posted by EricH (Post 1640179)
I'll be that guy:

I assume you have a plan to have your side bumpers properly supported per R31, and it just isn't visible yet? Front/back look to be OK, if the bumpers will fit within the volume.

*Disclaimer: This is CD in Week 4 of Build Season, not your first event, so any rules concerns and/or rulings are based on what is presented here, not the inspection at said first event. There is zero chance that "But CD said it was OK" will get you through inspection.

There are four inch wheels touching the ground, and what appears to be less than a 2 inch gap between those wheels and the member above them spanning the length of the robot. The bumper can likely touch that frame member along its entire length, fully meeting the rule. I don't see the issue here?

WTFogland 04-02-2017 00:11

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Originally Posted by ollien (Post 1640166)


Whoops! Didn't look close enough in the picture to see if there was an omnimount underneath. Figured I would say something just in case though :)

Lireal 04-02-2017 20:28

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Originally Posted by WTFogland (Post 1640199)
Whoops! Didn't look close enough in the picture to see if there was an omnimount underneath. Figured I would say something just in case though :)

No, I don't think there is an omnimount. You can programmatically callibrate the Navx to work correctly in any configuration because it senses on all 3 axis of motion.

EricH 05-02-2017 00:32

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Originally Posted by Chris is me (Post 1640195)
There are four inch wheels touching the ground, and what appears to be less than a 2 inch gap between those wheels and the member above them spanning the length of the robot. The bumper can likely touch that frame member along its entire length, fully meeting the rule. I don't see the issue here?

If the bumper touches the frame member, it's fine. I didn't see that on the first go-round. (Of course, if for some reason it doesn't, it's an easy enough fix with some strategically placed aluminum.)

Cash4587 05-02-2017 00:53

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Could be very wrong when saying this, but I really don't think you're going to get 11fps out of this. 3cims on a 50:14 and a 44:30 reduction comes out to be a 5.24:1 overall ratio for a theoretical of 17.76fps or 14.39fps adjusted. That gearing is very fast and you could be prone to brown outs. I would do some testing and adjust your drive speed accordingly.

asid61 05-02-2017 05:23

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Originally Posted by Cash4587 (Post 1640613)
Could be very wrong when saying this, but I really don't think you're going to get 11fps out of this. 3cims on a 50:14 and a 44:30 reduction comes out to be a 5.24:1 overall ratio for a theoretical of 17.76fps or 14.39fps adjusted. That gearing is very fast and you could be prone to brown outs. I would do some testing and adjust your drive speed accordingly.

That seems like a decent speed for a 6-CIM drive on a field as open as this one, but I agree current sensing is wise.
If you really are geared for 11fps, consider going up to at least 15 or 16fps to take advantage of the extra acceleration of 6 CIMs.

Your robot looks very cool! Is that a wooden polycord pulley on the bottom?

Jay Burnett 05-02-2017 07:53

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We are going to be assembling our drivetrain with Vex Omnis and Versahubs today and I am wondering if the hubs just press fit into the wheels or if we need a bolt to run through and clamp them in. Thanks and Nice looking robot!

Sperkowsky 05-02-2017 10:02

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Originally Posted by Jay Burnett (Post 1640629)
We are going to be assembling our drivetrain with Vex Omnis and Versahubs today and I am wondering if the hubs just press fit into the wheels or if we need a bolt to run through and clamp them in. Thanks and Nice looking robot!

They press fit pretty securely into place. We actually had to use our Arbor press to assemble them. However, I'd put at least 3 bolts on for some extra security.

007agentHP 05-02-2017 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash4587 (Post 1640613)
Could be very wrong when saying this, but I really don't think you're going to get 11fps out of this. 3cims on a 50:14 and a 44:30 reduction comes out to be a 5.24:1 overall ratio for a theoretical of 17.76fps or 14.39fps adjusted. That gearing is very fast and you could be prone to brown outs. I would do some testing and adjust your drive speed accordingly.

i forgot to mention where we arrived at the 11 FPS number from. we prefer to run our motors up to approximately 87.5% of their max speed to maintain efficiency. so we would never reach the 13-14 FPS range, i apologize for the confusion and misinformation.

007agentHP 05-02-2017 10:42

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Originally Posted by asid61 (Post 1640622)
That seems like a decent speed for a 6-CIM drive on a field as open as this one, but I agree current sensing is wise.
If you really are geared for 11fps, consider going up to at least 15 or 16fps to take advantage of the extra acceleration of 6 CIMs.

Your robot looks very cool! Is that a wooden polycord pulley on the bottom?

At the bottom is a wooden polycord floor level ball intake. its only wooden because we are waiting on the real pieces to be milled, so we are just using the prototype pieces.

and on the gearing, check the post above for an explanation on what i forgot to mention about it.


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