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jdunston94 13-02-2017 00:12

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Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 1644017)
Like I said it will be extremely shocking to see one team do it in auto. At 90% accuracy you would need to shoot 45 balls in 15 seconds, roughly 3bps for the entire auto period, Not accounting for any drive time

If you take 5 seconds to drive, get the balls, and re-align and begin shooting you are looking at under 10 seconds to shoot 45 balls and make every single one. Which now leaves you with almost the exact time that it takes for the boiler to count all the balls.

who said you ever have to realign?

TDav540 13-02-2017 01:00

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To be fair, there's also something to be said for score 30-35 kPA, even if you don't get all forty. The benefit of the auton gear is 20 points. If you can beat that with balls, especially if your alliance can't get the third auton gear, then I think you come out ahead.

I also think that, at some of the speeds teams will be shooting, firing 40+ balls in the required timeframe will not be much of a challenge.

Jetweb 13-02-2017 01:58

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Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 1644022)
I'll believe it when I see it. I still stand by that a solo robot won't be able to pull it off

40 kph autos will be done many times this season by many teams, I'd bet you'll see it done week one. The real trick is being efficient enough to score a gear as well....

waialua359 13-02-2017 02:44

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Originally Posted by Jetweb (Post 1644045)
40 kph autos will be done many times this season by many teams, I'd bet you'll see it done week one. The real trick is being efficient enough to score a gear as well....

Week 1 maybe for an alliance but solo? I think it'll be a rare occurrence. I hope I'm wrong.

apm4242 13-02-2017 09:00

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video or it didn't happen :)

Siri 13-02-2017 09:53

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Originally Posted by ollien (Post 1644024)
I would argue that the difference between 40 fuel auton and 2 ball is that 2 ball could be done without any major mechanical design changes. This might require that, depending on how your robot is already setup.

The vast majority of teams who consistently pull off complex autos in any year start the second week or so of build season knowing that they'll try to design that way. Some years pick up a few more or a few less on the fringes later on based on redesign difficultly, but that isn't the main driver behind the numbers. The task in any year is high-level enough that the pool of teams who can accomplish it consistently and the pool that can predict it early will naturally overlap quite heavily.

gorrilla 13-02-2017 10:49

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Originally Posted by Jetweb (Post 1644045)
40 kph autos will be done many times this season by many teams, I'd bet you'll see it done week one. The real trick is being efficient enough to score a gear as well....

Ill believe it when I see it

Camren 13-02-2017 14:37

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flashbacks to 2012.

EricLeifermann 13-02-2017 14:53

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Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 1643968)
It's gonna take minimum 8 seconds just to count the balls. That leaves just 7 seconds to drive to the hopper and get the balls, I will be extremely surprised if anyone manages it solo


The manual says it averages 5 ball/sec scoring. That means that it has so be faster than that. So an average of 8 seconds to count 40 balls, but if the boiler is full and the counter is operating at max output I bet its a few seconds faster.

gorrilla 13-02-2017 14:56

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1644319)
The manual says it averages 5 ball/sec scoring. That means that it has so be faster than that. So an average of 8 seconds to count 40 balls, but if the boiler is full and the counter is operating at max output I bet its a few seconds faster.

Possibly, but I just don't see it happening

EricLeifermann 13-02-2017 14:59

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Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 1644321)
Possibly, but I just don't see it happening

One of our prototype shooters emptied 50 balls in about 3 seconds.... Our final prototype was seeing 80% accuracy. If a team combined those 2 that's 40 balls in the high boiler in 3 seconds..... Seems pretty achievable to me.

Chris is me 13-02-2017 15:01

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Originally Posted by gorrilla (Post 1644321)
Possibly, but I just don't see it happening

You've made it quite clear that you don't think this is going to happen.Why do you think people are responding with reasonable confidence that this will be a part of the game? It's not just a gut feeling. Of the people that have posted reasons for a response, do you have anything to respond to them with other than stating your disagreement?

You don't need to repeatedly post with variants of "I don't think this will happen", with nothing else added to the post. You've made that post already; we're aware that's what you think.

Peyton Yeung 13-02-2017 15:03

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Originally Posted by EricLeifermann (Post 1644322)
One of our prototype shooters emptied 50 balls in about 3 seconds.... Our final prototype was seeing 80% accuracy. If a team combined those 2 that's 40 balls in the high boiler in 3 seconds..... Seems pretty achievable to me.

And this is coming from a team that had a three tote and three can auto. The moment you think something isn't achievable a team like Wave will show up and do it.

Brian Maher 13-02-2017 15:18

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I threw together a simple spreadsheet calculator to estimate timing of auto scoring so people can get a sense for how feasible complex auto modes are.

If arriving at the hopper and loading can be done sufficiently quickly, with a high-volume shooter, a 40 high goal auto is possible but difficult.

EricLeifermann 13-02-2017 15:24

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Originally Posted by Brian Maher (Post 1644330)
I threw together a simple spreadsheet calculator to estimate timing of auto scoring so people can get a sense for how feasible complex auto modes are.

If arriving at the hopper and loading can be done sufficiently quickly, with a high-volume shooter, a 40 high goal auto is possible but difficult.

Thanks for posting the spreadsheet.

Even if the 40 don't get counted if 30 fuel get counted it is a wash with scoring a gear, as you've scored 20 more points in fuel than you would in tele, just like starting a rotor in auto scores 20 more points that it does in tele. Plus you're also 10 KPA closer to that RP and 10 KPA should easily be 1 robots worth of fuel.


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