Basically, a bin all by itself, in any rotation, is counted as a multiplier of one. Basically, a stack will essentially be counted by the number of bins in it, no matter if they are nested or not.

So, if you have a bin that is like 1.1 SHUs, it is just counted as 1 for a multiplier. Same if the bin is 1.9 SHUs.

saying that

<14.75" = 0
14.75"-29.50" = 1
29.50"-44.25" = 2
etc.

also means that you can't have a stack of 0, becasue there is no orientation of a box (except broken) that is less then 14.75"

:D I never knew broken was a kind of orientation.

Down to business here, all we really need confirmed is if the SHU measuring stick starts with 0 SHU or 1 SHU

Simply out, Joe must be right. If a box in normal upright orientation was two SHUs, the whole system would collapse...

and my head would explode and the world would end... well maybe not that last part. :p

I think what originally was said during the kickoff that it is like this

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=2
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=1 |==== |<<-Bin on side extends into the 2 scoring ||\=====/ | | zone, hence it counts for 2
|| \ / | |
|| \___/ |_____|

However, now the rules have changed so it rounds DOWN. in the team update this is underlined in bold. its my own intuition, so i would say that it indicates an important change. who knows, sanddrag may be right

I think what originally was said during the kickoff that it is like this

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=2
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=1 |==== |<<-Bin on side extends into the 2 scoring
||\=====/ |--------| zone, hence it counts for 2
|| \-------/ |--------|
|| \___/ |_____|

However, now the rules have changed so it rounds DOWN. in the team update this is underlined in bold. its my own intuition, so i would say that it indicates an important change. who knows, sanddrag may be right

SOrry.. other one was messed up

Unless they had a total about-face, the bottom of the stick starts at 1.
That way, a normal right side up bin reaches to just below the "2" line, a tipped bin scores 2.2, rounded to 2 as per Team Update #1, and everthing is as Woody said.

Otherwise they're nuts

obviously here, the debate is over whether or not the measuring stick starts at zero or one. im not sure, and i dont have a tape of the kickoff with me :( . in the team update, it was underlined in bold (signifying a change?), so i donno :/

Here's how it works as Woody said it. The stick starts out at 0'. When u put the first bin in the normal position it counts as one. If the second bin (or any number higher than that) is place upside down, that would go over the next line and what would've been a multiplier of 2 (using this example. could be any amount of boxes) is now a multiplier of 3. In the update, it states that if a box is placed upside down it wont affect the multiplier because it has been rounded down. So 2 boxes (1 face up, 1 face down) counts as a multiplier of 2, not 3. Woody's way was to round up if any part of the box was above the nearest hash mark on the measuring stick. I hope this clears things up. All the update does is make the scoring the opposite way that Woody said. No more is there the strategy of placing the boxes upside down and getting a 1 higher multiplier. Teams, rethink your strategies!

You keep saying you are unsure if there was a change to the rule...

There Was!

Read the original rules, then read the update. The SHU height has been lowered by 1" and the system now rounds down.


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Gadget, you left out the zero level. It should look like this

5------
4------
3------
2------
1------
0------ <<floor level

The height of one bin in standard position would be one inch above 1 SHU.

Like everyone else, I thought I heard Woody say that a turned up crate got you an extra SHU....

But now that I think about it, did he ever actually say that it scored the extra SHU? Or, was it more like "Notice that a crate on its side moves you into the next SHU".

Maybe his point was that if you stack enough crates on their sides (or ends), then you can eventually gain an extra SHU (I'm not bothing to do any calculation right now, so I don't know the right number)...

Just seems like the kind of challenge Woody would tend to throw out there.

Just my two cents...

Aidan
:)

That is correct according to the stick starting at 0 SHUs at floor level and rounding down. I believe Woody's explanation was wrong. (note 1 SHU =14.75" and 1 bin in standard position is 15.75" tall. 1 SHU = the height of a nested bin)

Here's my midnight math...
1 bin = 1 SHU = cannot extend into 2nd SHU
1 bin turned on end = does extend into 2nd SHU = 2 SHU's = 2.25 bins high
2 bins stacked neatly = 2 SHU's = Does not extend into 3rd SHU
2 bins top to bottom or WHATEVER = extends into 3rd SHU = 3.145 bins high = 3 SHU's
PLEASE Round 3.145 down..... I get 3 not 2

A glass even marginally, filled is a glass.

This is the way woodie explained at kickoff

NOW... (direct from the update)
Its height is measured in whole Stack Height Units (SHU) as described previously in Section 7.6. WHOLE SHU's. Sounds like you have to fill the SHU.

ONLY a full glass, is a glass.

We took something that made sense to all of us & made it confusing.

I don't think you're helping with the glasses.:D

Anywhoo, you talk about the SHU as if it were a space when I think it is only a mark, like on a ruler. :confused: