to guys
 

what is so hard to understand about girls ?

everything:D

Cory

Why they don't seem to care if they lead us on

Amen

There it is right there, just so difficult sometimes :p say one thing but want another, but yet their so fun too...geez

I really shouldn't be talking I suppose, I have been told I "am one of most difficult guys ever" :cool:

True true.. at least girls know why they are difficult. guys jsut don't understand what the heck they are doing anytime. They aren't the best listeners either. They are fun though :p

You are a really difficult guy! :D

- Katie

Buah! Someone date me! :P

I'll say! :yikes:

It's been a while since my last relationship, and I miss it. But several of my female friends keep saying "don't waste your time looking for a girl, she'll come to you" I say, that's never going to happen...grrrr

I waited, a girl came, a girl made me hapy for 9 months, the girl left. Result: me hurt and confused, doubting the chance another girl will somehow find interest in me ever again. The odds to begin with were slim to none, and since it happened once already, that just further decreases my odds of it happening again.

Indeed.

Re: to guys
 

Why they don't like me :)

Speaking generally and from my own experience, females tend to analyze everything they absorb around them, whether it's the observation of emotion or dealing with a stressfull situation. The result of the analysis is in most cases a reasonably complex response, whether it be comfort or scorn, depending on a great number of variables tossed into the subconscious equation. Males tend to operate more on an input-output based operation, take an input, provide what's considered to the individual to be an appropriote output. I don't know much about the specifics of microprocessors, but I'd assume the differance is similar to that of RISC ro CISC procesors. Guys would be RISC Procesors, Girls would be CISC processors. People with more of a programming background than I, feel free to explain.

How we can't judge your emotions worth a dang.

Just for the record, I'm not a female.

Is there anything really general you could tell me about common behaviors, feelings, and thoughts?

If I ever come up with a specific question, I'll be sure to ask it here, but until then, I'll take any information you can give me...

well sometimes we will test guys to see if they really care about us like i once acted upset as if something he said hurt me and i walked/ran away if he really liked me he would follow and of course that was what i wanted him to do
we are really sencative so if you say something that could be taken in a bad way then sometimes we will think you ment it in the bad

we tend to play hard to get alot so some girls will not tell you that they like you unless they are alone or ready to so you have to be pashent but like me some girls dont play hard to get and tell a friend to tell a guy that they like them to see what the guys reaction is

oops sorry forgot to use spell check

Answer me this then:
How come if we say you're a nice person for a while, and then one day say you're pretty, you suddenly act as if the only thing we've ever said to you is "I think you look nice"?

... If you say so.

Why on earth would you do something like that? :confused:

- Katie

That is manipulative, passive-aggressive, weak, childish, and incredibly lousy. If there is any question about whether someone cares about you, you already have a large, damaging problem.

Should you introduce this variable into the equation - such that whomever you date has to be on edge and consider the true motivation of your actions, reactions, and emotions, you're an amazingly callous, selfish person who, in my opinion, should reevaluate your outlook on others.

Wow. I'm floored. Lives aren't meant to be toyed with. Grow up.

egahd M.


Does it ever end with the belittlement?

Well, I do find it kind of annoying of how I can be stereotyped by some girls for the actions and thoughts of my friends.

If that's what you consider belittlement, I'm sorry. It's my honest opinion and contribution to the thread. I don't have to like everyone that posts here. I don't have to agree with them. I don't have to agree to disagree.

In my opinion, that attitude is selfish, callous, and mean. I would write the same thing about anyone who posted that.

Respect from me is something that you earn, not something that you lose. What that means to any individual is not at my discretion.

If Angier314 feels bad, I'm sorry, but maybe that's what it'll take to get them to reexamine how they treat other people. I won't ever stand by and watch people get mistreated in such ways - on these forums, others, or in the real world. If Angier314 doesn't care, they don't care. Whatever. It's not really relevant. People that treat others with respect deserve to be treated in kind. In my mind, it's that simple.

I never write anything with any intention of insulting someone else. I never write without seeing that there could be some potential benefit that arises from it.

Sorry. Humiliation doesn't work on me.

If you thought I was trying to humiliate you, you have been mistaken. Just remember, think before you speak . You don't need to worry about other people's problems if they aren't going to listen to your opinion...correct?

^ Exactly what I was thinking. Guys, if you like a girl that has no respect for you or herself, just forget it, You're better off without her even though she'd be better off with you. And Girls, please refrain from breaking a guy's heart - If you commit to a relationship, do just that - commit.

M. Krass- I wholeheartedly agree. Manipulation is probably one of the worst things in the world in general, nevermind an individual relationship. I've been in a relationship where it was exactly as angier said- it was extremely childish, disrespectful, and made me feel worse than hell. She would run away, pretending I hurt her (example- we were at the mall, I asked her if I could stop into radio shack to pick up some rechargeable batteries- she yelled at me for disrespecting her by not doing what she wanted to do, as we proceeded to walk into all the stores that peaked her interest), yell at me for the littlest things, she hated FIRST with a passion, and cheated on me with more people than I can count, all the while expecting me to stand there and maintain any sort of feeling for her. For a very short time, I was just happy to have anyone. I would ride my bike 10 to get from my house to her house. When I told her my feelings for her were in jeopardy by what she was doing, she got pissed off, kicked me, and ran away, with a very snide tone of voice, expecting me to follow and apologize with chocolates and roses. For 9 months I was stupid enough to do so, fearing heartbreak and lonliness, until I realized she was doing more damage to my heart than solitude could ever do. Needless to say, she pestered me with insulting emails, kicking me in the hallway at school, and badmouthing me to everyone she talked to. If that's not the definition of childish, callus, and lousy, I don't know what is. M. Krass- right on, keep posting your opinions, odds are, there's enough people on this forum that many will agree.

i am sorry
 

i just want to say that i am only saying what some girls do i am not a mean person and i dont act that way anymore i am only 15 and i dont really know much about dating so please dont think i dont care about guys feelings i do alot i am sorry if what i did/ said was wrong i was in 7th grade when i did that

On a side note, what happened to punctuation?

I try to be as straightforward as possible... but it's difficult with guys. Guys are afraid of hurting my feelings, which i guess is understandable, But I would appreciate a little less of the sugar coating and a little more honesty. Even if the intial pain of honesty hurts, the pain of knowing that you were lied to lingers.

Is there a little disconnect here? If everyone required that others proffer respect before they reciprocate, then the world would be totally devoid of respect.

I hope you will reconsider this philosohpy, Michael.

Please, please, please don't call me Michael?
 

Perhaps.

I don't ask that people treat me, specifically, with respect before I'd reciprocate. Really, I just prefer to see that others have some appreciation for the difficulties that other people face. Causing people further difficulty (especially due to one's own insecurity) is not something that I have any respect for.

There have been times when I show a great deal of respect toward people without first asking appropriate questions. In many instances, I have been deeply hurt by that; and, in fact, continue to be hurt. When people do nothing to give me any indication that they are going to be aware and responsible when dealing with other's lives and emotions, I can't think of much else that warrants losing my respect - or, never getting it.

It's complicated. It's not bulletproof. It's me. I'm flawed. When all things are considered, I'd like to think that I make a little sense - at least - or that my experiences have taught my a little bit more about the human condition than most people should ever have to know. But, maybe, after all, I'm the one who deserves the least respect. Who knows.

Re: Please, please, please don't call me Michael?
 

M,
You live your life trusting your own mind, and your own opinions without really caring how others feel. I wish there were more people like you, and less people who get offended so easily by other's opinions.

While I agree with 90% of the things you say, I certainly respect 100% of it.

As you said before once to me:
I think I know you well enough to know you are intelligent enough to live your own life.

I don't understand why anyone would bash M for his previous post? I'm sure many others (myself wholeheartedly included) agreed with him. He simply vocalized it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, everyone is allowed to let their OWN mind decide their opinions. Not everyone chooses to do so...

It is those people who do not have MY respect...

Carry on Mike.

Re: Please, please, please don't call me Michael?
 

As far as I'm concerned- Nothing in life is bulletproof. Wearing a bulletproof vest, one can still be shot in the head, and oftentimes, that's where life will land the crosshairs. Everything, everyone in the world is flawed- for if perfection existed what more would people have to live for? As far as I've seen, that is the human condition- striving to find one's own perfection. It's a life's journey which can never be complete.

Mike, for what it's worth, here's someone else who agrees with you.

Punctuation? We dont need no stinkin punctuation:D

Cory

You're never getting your spelling OR your grammar back.

Just FYI, ya know...

M. Krass..

Lighten up. I'm not complaining, or whineing, it may seem like it, but this is just a fourm to enlighten us all with thoughts and fellings, and you come along and crush it. And so what if a person did that? I agree that you will have a problem if you start to wonder if that person cares about me, but I view that far-and-inbetween problem, especially from here, and you come in-as if you have heard it a million times-and just layed the "smack-down" to end the thread/discussion. Take a chill pill. Lately you have been like this, and you have to realise what you are typing. I can rember agreeing w/ you about 90% of the time in the past years, but now you are just bashing everyone w/ your opnoion and trying to end the discussion w/ one reply...

Agian, this is not a bash, just look at what you type...

I'm tired now--I'm out...

Men are from Mars, Women from venus... enough said.

Try to keep to topic, people. If you have a problem with what people are posting on this board, PM or e-mail that person and talk to them about it. No need to turn the whole thread into a discussion about what people should and shouldn't post, and how they should and shouldn't write their messages. Its simply too hard to limit people what they can and can't say.

And be nice, and try to be understanding of each other. If you see something you don't like, just skip it.

Obviously, you've never been in that situation. Having to question the motivation of everything someone does is not a happy place to be. It's not something I want to experience ever again, yet I experience it every day. It's not something anyway deserves to have to deal with.

Doubt is, perhaps, the most damaging and destructive of all feelings.

My opinion is nothing more than an opinion. I don't count for anything and I know that better than anyone. If someone wants to assign what I write some greater value, that's their decision. I say what I think and I'm not apologetic about it. I don't try to end discussion, but I sometimes have that effect. I like it when people challenge me, usually, because it forces me to examine myself - and that is the only way I learn and grow and change.

If people want to learn about others, I don't want to stop that in the least. But, please, realize that not everyone on this planet has succumbed to bizarre ideas of political correctness, pacifism and 'agreeing to disagree.'

Conflict leads to thought. Thought leads to revolution. Revolution leads to change. Change leads to growth.

Rearranging that a little:
Conflict leads to change. Change leads to thought. Thought leads to action. Action results in more conflict.
A never-ending cycle.

Okay, now I think that we all may be starting to sound a bit too much like yoda. ;)

Conflict leads to pain. Pain leads to suffering...Suffering turns to anger..The DARK SIDE ::mmmHmnmm!::

Do or do not - There is no try.

(this works for FIRST as well)

A lil thought that i think we all can agree on
 

ummm This is the first time i ever see FIRST members at each others throats ... the great thing i always thought about FIRST was not the robots but that all the people involved had something about them that lead them toward robotics a niceness and a positive quality of goodness and sharing and kindness in the true spirit of FIRST.

I assume that most of us out here have the time and the sense to think about the dynamics of ones own livelihood and examined and judge ourself in our worst hours of loneliness and and our regrets we think and at some point it becomes oblivious at that no matter wut happens and wut we live thru we never achieve that happiness we desire so much for ourselves and those we love... i know i do

But robotics seems to take time away from that, it occupies of with feelings of importance and dedication and spirit and pride that we all have within ourselves but never feel as much as the other feelings of desperation and longing. for this my teams is so important to me

But for my punch line all i have to say that in our lives we face so much as it is FIRST should be reserve for all of us to find wuts good in our hearts and souls and express it in fast wheels, cool arms and heavy armor. This is why we are here. we created something special and great, don't corrupt it.

I believe its everyones responsibility to keep Robotics and its forums good and clean so we all have something to smile about .... if we dont no one will

ya know

- if anyones got anything to add or thoughts about it please let me know-

- Oscar -

Oh and the girls
 

as for the girls i dont have to hard a time getting where there coming from.. just got to listen to get them.... or and i know guys shiver at the word, be "sensative" lol
I understand oir at lease think i understnad and i try to be straight and i be myself but some how it just doesnt happen some even say im to sensative... lol ummm is that a bad thing?

I love everything about girls even some of the bad stuff lol its just makes it funner and more exicting that way add a lil spice and everything nice to the mix.:yikes:

i like the girls in robotics even more cuz it shows how smart and capable they are on so many levels and sometimes even better than guys. but they still dont lose how they are ... sweet

ROBOTICS + GIRLS = WOW :p

Am i alone on that thought?

- Oscar -

My attempt...
 

In my experience with girls, they all like to play, but they won't tell you the rules. Its like this card game I learned forever ago (can't remember the name). There are a given set of rules and the dealer gets to make up another one or two.. and the rules can't be told to you. You play your cards and if you mess up, you are penalized without explanation. For this similarity, I call this game 'the girl game', because it really is.

Now, in order to "understand women", one must become a woman. Since I don't foresee that for myself, I'll have to do the next best thing: Try to figure out the rules without being penalized too harshly. That means trying different things with different girls. Through several experiments, I have found that you cannot apply any given set of rules to every girl out there. They all have a core set of 'girl rules' then they have their own set of custom rules that can modify the 'girl rules'.

Confused? Then you probably shouldn't continue.

Now, to attract a girl you'll be interested in, live by your rules. You act the way you want to act, and don't try to impress anyone. If you want to play, then play, but don't be upset if she doesn't like your playing. If you want to romance, don't. Guys have never been good at that, and you'll just end up looking like a fool. Though some girls go for that, labeling it as 'cute'. Always, ALWAYS keep a sense of humor, but don't use those 'guy jokes' on her until you know her a little better.

Now another thing I have found some girls like is mystery. Don't tell her everything, and don't seem too eager. Its like when you go to a used car sales person. You find the car you want, then try to convince the sales person that you don't want it so they will be more compelled to sell it to you at a lower price instead of trying to get you to buy more than you want. Likewise, if girls see that you are too desperate, they won't be that interested in you. If you entice her just right, she'll be interested and more compelled to want to find out more about you.

The bottom line is this: Be funny, not abusive. Be memorable, not eager. Be yourself, not what you think she wants.

Okay, girls... how was that? Besides some of the analogies... I'm not really good with analogies.

Re: Oh and the girls
 

Yeah, i agree with that! This is basically how i feel and act...The only problem with it is, [luckily, none of the girls I know EVER go near this forum] you end up being really good friends with them, and thats it. Being your always listening, your the one they talk to ABOUT their problems with other guys...so yeah.. That's my thoughts on the subject. However, I'd just like to say, regardless that this is how I feel, I'm not going to change my ways at all...I just have to hope that I'll find someone who actually *likes* me for it. (I'd also like to say that I do go to a magnet technology high school...so maybe there are girls that would like me for this, but the ratio of girls to guys is rather low at my school.....)


Oh, and btw...Do you realize how geeky we are that we have a forum online to communicate our ideals and thoughts about relationships...

But then again, I am posting here...


All girls reading this, wadda ya think?

indeed
 

it does look geeky.. but i learm that if you say thiis stuff to people you see everyday and to just people in general they will freak out and always be weird about it and around you .... (experience)

and you know wut that part i didnt put up but your totally right, its funny cuz girls are always talking about wut they like in guy and wut they dont.... but usely there best male frineds would gerenally fit that descrition lol... of course all the girl out there have the right to choose who ever they like.... but it be cool if the object of my affection had been my best friends all the time

when guys are nice to girls they end up being just friends

i dont know how many of you agree with that cuz its very over generalized but most of the time its true

ya know... and yeah id like the feedback of the girls of this forum

- Oscar -

I agree with what u guys are saying. Most guys that just listen and are all nice and stuff just wind up bein friends with girls and wind up listening to them talk to you about their problems mainly about other guys... but this reminds me off some news program or something on tv that was like nice guys finish last because usually they are the same and predictable. they furthermore said that most women like the unprecitability {rebel} lol. and ive found this to be very true in most situations, but ofcourse there are always exceptions...

Cipher X

Renji, are you just mad that you're becomming close friends with Jina instead of her liking you in that way? I never knew renji!

Btw, you all need to learn how to pimp tha game (Renji knows what I'm talking about, Honors English 4 life!)

U MORON I dont even talk to her other than about freakin english work.! and maybe NHS but i am sure.
Hey its no my fault u have no life other than to Play aroudn with Jina all the time. and ahem give her gifts. so now seriously rethink what u said. And for ur information Puffy i was refering to many ppl when i said that not one.

Cipher X

Lol, I have no problem getting a female, hell i got 2 that would go with me right now! Messing with Jina is just a hobby that me & mark picked up on, and you know it!

Did I say I was on team 108 with the same people that posted above? I must be mistaken..im on team...uhhh...1345...yeah..Im not on a team with cipher or patrick....

(Mark...we need a good fake team name to associate ourselves with....)

Dont make us hook you up with Jina!

oh wow ... nice guys are predictable and boring
lol

im not..... lol

umm i cant help but be offended by such a stereo type of nice guys.....

but like i said "keep the forums good and clean"
so gonna let it go its not worth anything to prove

and quite a drama is developing in team 108 lol umm quite interesting

lol just dont pick on the guy that post the message of about guy just being friends

- Oscar -

Heh, our team is always like this :D

Just being friends with a girl isn't bad at all actually, cause then you can hook up with her friends :). You can also get some insights into how women think.

yeah...our school is 1/3 performing arts and 1/3 tech..so the drama kinda bleeds over into tech..and by bleed i mean like a sucking chest wound kinda bleed...

As team leader for Team 108, I officially disown those 3.

everything
 

everything was good. But more specifically, they are kinda fickle, and well, really complicated, but maybe we are to stupid? i dunno. maybe I am just to stupid.

Juss think what those on our team who AREN'T on delphi would be posting....

Scary to think about really..

Especially the Taravella kids. They scare me beyond imagination.

Heeey, team 108 does it again!
 

We've managed to go completly off topic...what was the orginial topic...?

::reading thread..reading thread..reading thread::

Ahhhh, Now i see:


The fact that anytime we begin to understand, the rug is pulled out from under us and we're back to square one....

Dunno, that sometimes you really can't tell at all what they want. And other stuff that i can think of, but can't articulate correctly..

I've found it's easiest to avoid all human contact. <-(notjoke)
Yep, as I type this I'm sitting on my bed in the dark with a fuzzy blanket wrapped around me, listening to classical, reading webcomics, etc. Of course, I actually like human contact but I'm always uncomfortable. Also the reason why I like being in FIRST and having a job, I generally do my best to prevent myself from becoming a hermit.
Wait, what's this thread about again? Oh right, women are completely opaque to men because they think completely differently. I think it was best said in a ThinkGeek fortune, something along of the lines of
That's the gist of it. When was the last time a girl thought 1.2 megabits/second data rate was worthy of a lengthy discussion? On the other hand, I still haven't found anyone who'll discuss at length the pros and cons of USB. Crap, I'm spewing random thoughts because I'm a board junkie!

/me hides in the closet, right underneath the jackets.

ummm i would agree with the whole avoid human contact theory but from experience and i know some people may Wut heck is he talking

but not living life and avoiding plain also comes with its own set of pain and hurtful feelings of emptiness loneliness and no propose


and USB is the best thing since slices beared and double side dvds


You Cant see the good until you know the bad

The ying and yang ya know life balance harmonics ... its the way i live

-Oscar-

listen
 

If you guys would just listen, it might be less as hard to figure out. I mean yeah its hard to understand us, ( you should meet me ) but one thing you can try is just ASKING, yeah it could be that simple. Just ask. Not on everything though. We like you guys to do things that we like (suprise her with something she likes - becareful not all girls like gifts (me)). Its better if you do it yourselves better then we telling you too. Any question/advice on girls just ask me.







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e-mail: leethaaphon@yahoo.com

can you say......resurection?
 

boy this thread just got brought back from the brink....oh well....

(based on my experience) the main problem that i have with girls (in a 'relationship') is that they throw out these little 'cues' or 'hints' and i won't found out till later that i've missed them. it really can be frustrating to be tense and on your toes tryin' to figure out if she's subtly trying to tell you something, or maybe i just have an over-acctive imagination and a paranioa complex.

I have always said "Being around women is like being around a person who is 99.9% gaurenteed to be smarter than u, and the only thing u can do is to not make ure self seem useless or stupid, or a little of both." I think the moral of that is simply, just act ure self!

Andrew W.K.

WOW! Talk about old....

Uh...I'm pretty clear to understand what ladies want. I think...

:D

...actually.. not always true... I enjoy being able to listen to someone wiht a high intellect, and have interesting conversations.

.... however, as some will tell you about me... when I want my way... I'll fight for it.. until I am right

P.S. - Why does everyone think girls are impossible/complicated, etc.

because they tend to be exactly that.

... Unless, of course, you're useless and/or stupid (by your theory). :p

Why was this thread brought back to life, anyway?

- Katie

I don't find them very difficut at all. Heck most of my good friends are girls. Guys: If ya can't figure em' out well then you're trying too hard. It's not this huge complicated problem.
And well if not I guess some guys understand n' most guys don't
:p

Who was it that said "Girls, u cant live with them, and u cant live without them!"

i just roll with the times, and be myself. I'm really shy sometimes though, but just being a nice guy gets me what I need, even though I've never been on a date or anything, but that's.....not relevent right now. Most of the girls at my school know that I talk as if I am out of my mind, which may or may not be my fault. Example: I asked a team at cleveland if their robot could make me a sandwich during autonomous. I guess it's just how I see the world for how funny it can be. Or I'm just nice and funny and stuff. But thats ok, because (/HGTTG reference) I know where my towel is. (/HGTTG reference)
I'm Mark.
I build robots.
Love me.

They are right, its a lose-lose situation ;)

I seriously don't think all girls are hard to understand. True, there a lot of girls that are hard to understand. But, I think you guys are running on the assumption that all girls follow the same rules and act alike in many ways. Also, you seem to think that girls understand each other. I don't understand most of the girls I know.

No offense to any of the other girls on the board but I've found that most girls are to hard to trust and extremly catty. They pick fights for no reason, insult you, try and tell you how to live and that everything you do is to "guyish" and then get mad when you retaliate by telling them to stop.

Anyway, thats all I got at the moment.

Peace.