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Rich Kressly 19-01-2003 21:31

103 Team Members
 
Cybersonics members are as follows for 2003
Male: 18
Female: 15
We have 5 student officers - 3 are female

Famale Role Breakdown:
1 - mechanical/scout
1 - electronics/head scout
1 - electronics/programming/scout
1 - Inventor Website Development/Manager
1 - PR/Strategy Coordinator
2 - Animation/scouts
1 - Animation/PR
2 - PR
1 - PR/Web Content/Scout
1 - PR/Fundraising
3 - PR/Fundraising/Scouts

-Why is the question asked to "exclude" those in PR?

Koko Ed 19-01-2003 21:47

We have numerous girls on our team.
And being that I am not only a mentor but a chaperone
YOU
CAN'T
HAVE
ANY
OF
THEM!!!



Go back to your room! :rolleyes:

HolyMasamune 19-01-2003 23:51

Quote:

Originally posted by srjjs
Dan, Alex, Denise, Der-Shing, and the Jeremys go to other schools and I've seen them around this year.
He meant other schools as in other high school students interested in their robotics program, not previous visiting members from college. Plus, are you saying that Dan's a girl? =P

Justin Stiltner 20-01-2003 00:09

team 388 has always had a majority of females,
ex our first year we had 4 guys, and around 20 girls!!!:yikes:
the next year, about 7 or 8 guys and 12 or so girls.
this year is ALMOST half and half, but more of the girls have shown up to work than the guys.
:yikes:

virusmirusne 20-01-2003 00:57

Personally... while sheer numbers of girl look good to the affirmative action crowd... From a teenage boy standpoint- we need to do something to encourage the convergence of the robot geeks and the attractive members of the female subspecies. It may have been said by everyone once. But we should have cheerleaders. FIRST cheerleaders.

Justin Stiltner 20-01-2003 01:01

we did..
almost every one of our girls was a cheer leader, basket ball player, track runner, or just plain beautiful.
hehe... we had em alll!!!!
tho its because of the way our team works,
its part of an extra cirricular program that normally only the "brainy" kids get into, and those are usually the ones you described

Jeff_Rice 20-01-2003 01:14

Masamune:

It's not so weird. My brother and I are from Sweet Home High School, and we drive 45 miles to West Albany to go to meetings. Next year I will start a team in sweet home.

Virusmirusne:

I totally agree with you, however, though some girls are attractive it is best to get ones w/ attractive personalities. Both doesn't hurt, though. :D

hacksaw692 20-01-2003 01:25

Team 692 is called the Fembots. I'm sure you can figure out how many of us are girls. :p

Our team doubled in size in comparison to last year. It's awesome to see so many girls interested in this program!

virusmirusne 20-01-2003 01:30

A girl without a personality is like an aluminum box without a chiaphua.

Cory 20-01-2003 02:21

Quote:

Originally posted by virusmirusne
Personally... while sheer numbers of girl look good to the affirmative action crowd... From a teenage boy standpoint- we need to do something to encourage the convergence of the robot geeks and the attractive members of the female subspecies. It may have been said by everyone once. But we should have cheerleaders. FIRST cheerleaders.
It is nice to have girls on your team, but its not all about having some hot chick to stare at all the time. when you are around guys 24/7 during robotics, its nice to have girls in there to lets say even out the hormones. They are different than us, and fun to hang out with.

FIRST does not want to attract girls because they are hot, and because teenage guys like to stare at them. FIRST wants to attract girls, becuase typically, technology and engineering fields are filled by men. FIRST's goal is to get girls interested in science/technology/engineering who would not be exposed to these fields otherwise.

How do you think girls feel when they see that people want them on their teams simply because they are "hot"? I don't think that women are flattered by men who want them around, simpy because they are nice to look at. I would say that the vast majority of the girls involved in FIRST are not in it so they can recieve attention from us, but because they are interested in robotics, or want to learn about robotics.

To sum it all up:

It is very demeaning to only value girls because they are "hot" value them for who they are: people just like us who love robotics. There is a lot to be learned from each other.

Sorry ive been ranting for so long, but I feel this is important:cool:

Cory

FotoPlasma 20-01-2003 03:35

Quote:

Originally posted by Cory
[Cory's post]
Very well said. I always find it offensive when someone says that their team needs more attractive females. It's perfectly fine to be attracted to good looking people, but being chauvinistically disrespectful and misogynistic is definetly not cool.

I don't mean to attack virusmirusne, but it's just a general pet peeve I have...

virusmirusne 20-01-2003 09:06

Guys... I was really joking... it was very much a sarcasm thing. I joked being fully aware of what are held as the "traditional" views toward women in engineering. The sarcasm thing has never gone over well on the internet... it's an age-old problem. Our head programmer is a girl... and she definitely knows her stuff. I'm not a bigoted woman hater or anything. There are plenty of girls more intelligent than me and in very advanced math classes and things. My sister is graduating this spring from Rollins with a bachelors in mathematics... I know smart girls are cool... I was just trying to lighten the mood.

virusmirusne 20-01-2003 09:07

All of this evidenced by the post that followed my original post...

Katie Reynolds 20-01-2003 09:50

Quote:

Originally posted by Cory
...

How do you think girls feel when they see that people want them on their teams simply because they are "hot"? I don't think that women are flattered by men who want them around, simpy because they are nice to look at. I would say that the vast majority of the girls involved in FIRST are not in it so they can recieve attention from us, but because they are interested in robotics, or want to learn about robotics.

...

It is very demeaning to only value girls because they are "hot" value them for who they are: people just like us who love robotics. There is a lot to be learned from each other.

Cory

Cory, I love you! We've had problems with this in the past ... some guys on our team are always saying, "Man, I wish we had some hot girls on our team!" Or "Oh man, I wish she was on our team - we need some hot girls!" From my (and the rest of the girls on my team) standpoint ... it really hurts. Sure, the girls on my team might not be the most beautiful things that ever walked the planet ... but we've got brains. And kick*ss personalities! Doesn't that count for something? I don't mean to carry on about this, but I think this is something that affects a lot of girls involved in FIRST ... and it kind of sucks. :(

virusmirusne - I'm sure you were just trying to lighten the mood. I'm not trying to rip on you in any way, shape or form. :) But this does come up a lot with my team, and it really does hurt.

With that said, I'm gone.

- Katie

Shelley_delphi chick 20-01-2003 10:04

wow.......
 
On team #48 Delphi ELITE there are 51 students on our roster and i think there are 12 girls. Just because we are girls doesn't mean that we don't get dirty and surly doesn't mean that we can't run any machine in our wood or metal shop.I myself am a female SR on my team which I am in charge of the AV-photo team, ASFAB Team (Assembly and Fabrication), and I'm the machine shop specialist. You can always find me in the shop getting my hands dirty, but I'm not sure that all of the girls follow my lead. Our team is almost always male dominated in every aspect. I think girls need to get interested and personally I don't think it has anything to do with the guys that are involved, because I'm seriously been crushing over a very computer nerd geek from a Delaware team (he knows who he is), and I personally don't think I'm a dog by any means, so there you have it. What needs to be done is you guys need to go out into your school and let girls know what opportunities there are out there and make sure you bring them in and show them how things work. Everyone that is interested will learn if someone will take the time and help them. Engineering is a male dominate field, which doesn't really appeal to all girls just for that fact. I on the other hand have always gone against the grain, be it that I play pick up hockey (roller) with 20 some guys that are twice my size and about 5-14 years older then me. You have to make this program welcome and user friendly to girls. That doesn't mean parts wise, it means you guys need to dig your heads outta the gutter and help these girls!!


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