It's not an issue of red tape or "what are they gonna do about it" it is a matter of asking because it is the right thing to do.

Like stepping aboard a boat or entering someone's home or taking a complete stranger's picture if travelling in a foreign land . . asking permission is the right thing to do

Come to think of it, you might even call it
"Gracious Professionalism"

The red tape I was reffering to was the legalities of whether we can use the patches or not. Yes we can just print them off the Internet but it would be better if we had NASA's permission to use it as they hold the rights to it. And I was hinting at our Code of Ethics, "Gracious Professionalism", because that is what it is.

Peace

(I figured that was what you meant)

I was thinking maybe someone can contact FIRST and then FIRST might be able to contact NASA and ask them if we could put the mission patch, or the NASA logo on our bot/ uniforms. Team 1077 is a NASA sponsored team and I know we are going to be buying our NASA patches off of NASA to put on our uniforms. They sell all there patch's and everything on their web site, maybe we could buy the STS 107 mission patch from there and place it on the robot/uniforms. Just a thought

I don't know about your team but we are $15,000 short. Buying the patches will be expensive for everbody. Yeah its a good idea to go through FIRST maybe cut a deal. But if I have to I'll get a patch, paste it into powerpoint and make a sticker/decal out of it. We have to do that for some of our sponsors as what they have provided or haven't is inadequate.

Jim- Sorry, I musta misunderstood what you meant.

I agree with you 100%, getting the patches will cost a lot of money...its a good 3-5 bucks a patch. The powerpoint idea you had and making them into stickers is actually really good!

put this together quickly.

here's one i found.

They could've found a picture of Columbia, at least. That's Endeavour.

But, meh. We're sticking with the Mission Patch alone. The rest is just too much.

before we do anything i think we should get someone to go to NASA and ask for permission/ideas... they might have some better way for FIRST teams to remember...

i'd like to keep religion and patriotism out of this because some people might get offended by it (no god references unless you name all gods kinda thing), not because i'm all anti-religion (which i actually am, but thats just me) but because when you bring religion into it, you walk a fine line between respect and insult towards other religions

just my three cents

For anyone who is interested you can get the NASA patches or the STS 107 mission patch here... (the STS 107 patches are out of stock, they will be getting more shortly)

http://store.yahoo.com/spacestore/index.html

I think posting the mission patch on the robots is a great idea! It would be a great show of support if all of the teams did it! We should come up with a final image that every team gets made up for their robot.

Tragedy indeed
 

Nasa is one of our sponsers, so we have to wear the logo anyways.. The space shuttle blowing up was a terrible tragedy, but I am never hit or struck with patriotism when terrible things happen to this great nation of "freedom.."

As to that.. I agree 100%.. I don't do any god bashing, but I certainly do not like to hear it brought up.. besides religion is such a controversial thing.. why start a whole debate about whether god should be brought up or not.. just thought what he said was insightful..

:D

It's a shame that tragedy occured. I guess all of us have to be more careful if we grow up as engineers not to let mistakes like that cost human lives.

Not to hi-jack the thread, but if you see an engineer with a small pinky ring - that engineer is probably Canadian and . . . . well, ask them what it means. I am neither a "real" engineer, nore canadian, but I think that the symbolism of the ring is very cool.

The responsibilities of engineering are great - shoddy workmanship/design on a robot is diappointing, shoddy workmanship/design on something like a bridge is devastating.

oo early to point fingers in this shuttle tragedy, but that time will probably come. I would get more upset at the media's attempts to find answers (aka jump to conclusions) so quickly; however most of the engineers they have been interviewing have held fast; "it is too early to tell/speculate)