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Originally posted by M. Krass
The arrogance of the American people is something that, while I've grown accustomed to it, never ceases to astound me. The way that they, in their supposed inifinite power and wisdom coopt the achievements of others, in some morbid way, is amazing.

Stop with the spin. This is tragedy that affects all humankind, because, above all else, it effectively halts any forward progress that may come from the space program for months or years to come. That affects everyone, whether you'd like to believe it or not, and to brand it American, slap it on a bumper sticker, and deny other nations and other peoples the ability to mourn this loss just as you are is disgusting.

please don't get me wrong, in no way am i trying to stifle the achievements of Illan....

And i'm not saying that people denying the mourning of the loss of human life over the placement of a flag on a patch...that is absolutely ridiculous....it was a hell of an achievement for him and his country alike....I just disagree with the placement of the flag....that is all....hopefully this will inspire other Israeli children to strive to be an astronaut....and other children from countries that would have no chance otherwise....I'm glad that as Americans we can inspire kids to become something they never dreamt possible...and it shows where FIRST is going to take a lot of kids....through inspiration, technology, achievement and constant involvement kids will go forth to lead lives they never dreamt possible.....

i believe we should stop arguing over a single flag on the STS-107 patch. if you don't like it, don't display the patch on your robot, end of story. do not butcher the patch and remove the Israeli flag, that is out of line and wrong. do not add American flags, that's even worse. leave it as it is, for that is how NASA made it, for a reason.

it was a distinguishing moment for Israel, to have a man in space. obviously, they wanted it to be remembered, and what better way than to put it on the patch? now, however morbid this sounds, Ramon will be remembered forever, just as well as the fact that he was the first Israeli in space.

now, since we have nothing left to fight over, how about someone takes the patch and finds a way to put it into inventor or something, or maybe just a nice big resolution one that can be printed out on a plotter. then we can all take the STS-107 patch and put it on our robots, and pay the 7 astronauts of the Columbia our respects. bickering over a flag is stupid, and probably completely against everything they stood for. next time i catch you fighting, should i just tell your mommies and maybe you'll get time out...

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Originally posted by Brandon Martus
I'll just point out that Col. Ramon had an Israeli flag on his suit whereas the others had American flags on their suits.

Hmm, on his blue suit he has an Israeli flag on the right, and it looks like an American flag on the left, but on the orange space suit it looks like just an Israeli flag.

Bah, I'll stop arguing for now, it's too early, I just felt like pointing out the flag on the suit.

The fact of the matter is that they all went into space as a representation of their countries. But they also went up to represent our entire world. I think it's the fact that we have the politics of the world and our own patriotics and national prides that makes us unique. But they all went up for the principle of exploration, and all died for that cause. I'm sure just as many of you here are with me in saying that I too would take the chance of going on the next shuttle flight, because that would be one of the greatest honors.

I'd like to note that there is no set template for patch design. Each one is completley diffrent.

From what I have seen of patches with international crews, either there are no flags or a flag from each country represented is worked into it. But, I havn't seen every patch.

Again, there apears to be no set guidline. I belive a great deal of the patch artwork is at the crew's discretion (or at least it once was).

-Andy A.

P.S. It is also becoming comman for Russian crew members to have their name written in Russian and/or English.