Image Discuss: Team 179's Crazy Critter
 

This was the first time I've ever (out loud) said "oh wow" when seeing a bot. Amazing

i'm gonna have to agree with the previous statement...

Bravo.

Absolutely brilliant. Amazing. Unconceivable. Never even thought about it.

Four thumbs up to your marvelous bot

OMG! wtg team 179!! this is awesome

Very nice!!

We thought of doing it, but decided against it.
I'm curious to see how effective it will be for you guys.
Please post more pictures/videos as soon as you get them.

Good luck! :D

Oh my
 

This is an awesome design. The concept took guts to go forward with it.

This concept came up in our team's discussions, but it was pretty much laughed about... we didn't think it could happen.

My hat if off to team 179... great job!

Andy B.

to quote Beavis and Butthead: "This is the coolest thing thing I have ever seen." That is absolutely amazing. Congratulations.

Cory

I've got almost my whole team standing around me ... all going "Wow."

That's seriously awesome - you guys rule! :D

- Katie

:-D
 

Very nice! I congratulate you and especially your kids for putting in the work neseccary to create such a device. Very impressive! I hope to see you at a few regional competitions! :-)

Good Job
 

Hey guys, its Matt, up at Cornell. Congrats, you actually pulled it off. When I told my new team mates what you guys were trying to do, most laughed and said you never could (and part of me agreed). Well, looks like you guys showed em. Good luck at competition.-Matt B, 179 Alumni

What happens when you guys get spun and you guys cantilever on the HDPE?

:eek: <-- is the very best I can do.. I can only imagine how cool that will be to watch: very creative.

Thats so sweet I can't use the explatives I normally would. The wedge in the front is a nice touch but what if a low rider hits you in the back?

**GASP** Oh...My...God...That's incredible.:eek: :eek: :eek:

First our team, then the robotics engineer and another mentor, then a visiting rookie team,

all saying,


OMG!!!

I know most of you hate people who only post short little segments of stuff but I think this picture calls for something to that effect, so here I got with my responce:

...Wow...

$@#$@#$@#$@#, we thought of that, but ya... we laughed it off as impossible. that's pretty crazy:confused: :yikes: :confused:

holy cow! i'm in love!!!! i can't wait 'til UCF regional to see it in action!!

i hope you guys are goin to nationals this year, cause in my book, you gotta be one of the front-runners!!!

hmm... *thinks to himself* i wonder if the 2 Pratt teams could ally for the UCF champs this year.... and would they ever pick an ex-spammer's team to help them out? only time will tell...

=-]

best of luck this year guys!

*goes to his thinking room to figure out a way to beat 179*

Wow.

Sweet :D

I just had a dream about this robot.

Mommmmmy!

I want VIDEO!!!!:ahh: :ahh: :ahh: :ahh:

Amazing design, but one slight flaw...


80% of mass 5ft in air = bad center of gravity....

Imagine if an autonomous robot came under the bar and hit them..... oooo, the mayhem. Might even break a playing field part.

Really great!
I bet it required a lot of creativity , work and courage.
As said above a couple of times, people usually laugh at this kind of idea, and doing this is against a brainstorm. You have to listen to EVERY idea and never say "it won't work just because it's weird".
That's how NEW things are created. Congratulations. And good luck!


-> By the way, can you please explain better what happens after you kept all the bins from falling in the opposite field?

I was wondering how your going to push 30 bins up if they fall on you? I hope you got a kick $@#$@#$@# drive train!!:ahh:

Lets just say Sparky can ram through that. :)

Don't go jumping to conclusions Joe. I still want to see a video of this sucker. :D

..................I'm still in the dark, what happens if another robot comes up and spins you on the HDPE as u mosey on up the ramp and u catilever on the HDPE and the mesh? I was also wondering how many of those wheels are powered and how much power do you have overall?
-----if that baby has a powerful drivetrain and a low centered COG i'd be pretty impressed

Who says I'm jumping to conclusions, I say we CAN.

I'll admit it's a brilliant design... the closest thing we came up with to that was a big arm that swung at the boxes from the starting postition. If we'd only build that, we could have still had a shot against you... One question: your bot looks very thin. Its center of gravity is obviously very low, but what happens when you strike all those boxes AND an opponents madly onrushing robot 5' above the floor at an angle on the ramp? Does it fall over?

do u guys have a dual trans or 4 motors?

How the heck does that thing make weight? We are about 120 lbs and our bot is only 13.5 inches high 36x30 base. Did you forget to weigh it with the battery on it?

I'm skeptical about how many times you can do that before something bad happens, but still, I'm blown away. That's pretty sick (as in good).

I'm most impressed by the guts (insanity) it must have taken to commit to, design, and build that kind of robot. Lets hear it for courage in innovation!

-Joel

Yup! No matter how they ended up doing at competition, they can definitely say they learned something special this year about designing robots. It take lots of guts to throw away conventional designs and create something new. This robot is going to be so impressive to the crowds for competition and demos. Very cool.

'mazing.

what happens if your bot comes down on top of something else or another bot??? what would happen???? the mysteries.....



otherwise it is a really cool idea and i am glad you guys pulled it off. i will pray that you don't encounter difficulty with the design and some of the flaws that might be present.



i heard myself going:

ewwwwww ahhhhhh eeeeeeeeeeeeeee oooooooooohhhhhhhhhh

Geez...Looks amazing. See one flaw though

Where's your revolving light? Don't see one.

Wow!
 

WOW!

Holy Sh**!
That is SOME bot.
(did someone say AWARDS)

:D :ahh:

WPI's The Wall Genie
 

190 had a similar idea, but not quite. We made all the calculations and determined that our idea was indeed possible to get to bins in under 4 seconds. However, we dismissed the idea as too great a design risk. Anyway, here was our idea:

"The Wall Genie"
We would anchor ourselves to the carpet using ridged hardwood (since we couldnt use metal). Then folding out of our starting position would be a 3 part swing-arm. It would reach over the lexan, and have hooks to pick up the ENTIRE WALL of bins. We would left every last bin up, and swing it around, in the same direction our opponents would be heading up the ramp. We would then simply hold all bins (150 lbs) about 6 feet in the air, possibly out of bounds if there were no obstructions. Then, with just enough time left we would swing them into our zone, placing them all nicely down on the carpet, making sure to remove contact with all bins.

Pretty amazing, and it would have worked well; but again we deemed it too high of a design risk, and if we werent able to get to those bins FIRST, we'd not be able to do anything else (this design had no driveline whatsoever).

Good job though, 179. I see quite a few problems that design could run into, but we'll just have to wait until competitions and see what happens; good luck.

To me. Looking at the pictures the kickstands seem to be a big target if we were trying to hit you and get you off of the ramp.

When they are up they are a prime place to take a running start at, when down they don't seem to follow the profile of the ram and again are in the way. Who knows.

Great idea and execution thus far.

*picks jaw off of floor*



That thing is amazing, I can't wait to see it work.

To those of you who say that you see flaws...BLAH!!! All of our bots have flaws (well, 'cept maybe 173's). They deserve nothing but kudos for having the guts that all of us only wish we had. They not only thought about a risky design, but went ahead and built a functioning bot. They epitomize not only thinking outside the box, they can't even see the box from where they are.

I WANT VIDEO !!!!!!

PS It also takes guts to post that with so many days left--and you nay-sayers--they still can correct those flaws in the remaining time.

I've been a defender of the possible flaws in this bot since I first saw it. So I'll jump in here, too.

Their bot is designed to flip over the lexan within the first 2 seconds of the match. There is only one possibility of them coming down on a box, and thats if immediatly a team can flick a box where they land (while in autonomous mode). There is the possibility they land on a bot, or possibly the field, if there is a team that can (in auton) go full reverse and hit 179 before they are half-way through their flip manuever.

They will be like throwing a banana, obscure center of gravity, but I don't forsee any problems.

I'm looking forward to the first robot to catch air off that thing in auto mode :)

I would be surprised at 'air' being 'caught' from that slope. I think they'll have a rough time getting on it. Especially if their chassis can't handle a 45º incline

I'd like to see a robot going 8fps+ hit that 45ºangle...who know what would happen. I'm still amazed that you guys made weight with that thing, 247 ended up being 18 pounds over, but we have a ton of places to drop the excess poundage from.

WOW!!!
 

:ahh:
I am glad we don't have to play against you unless we make nats. My team would probably have just laughed at me if i suggested that such a thing can be built. but I still wonder if it really can work as well as you say, it is just to much to believe. Maybe I should get the programmers to add an auto mode that involves going straight backwards just so we can stop you ;)

Where is the light going to be mounted so it is right side up at all times :confused:

And where the heck is the video, We want video :)

And if a robot was geared to go around 18fps, could handle the angle, weighed 125lbs, and hit you straight on, how far would it fly and how high? (wondering if ours could survive the fall)
Would figure it out myself but don't know what surface material you used, and the dimensions of your ramp

Re: WOW!!!
 

No robot will go 18fps without a multi motor three speed shift on the fly drivetrain.

if we really wanted to, we could manufacture our CVTs to go 18 fps ;-)

But then again, why would we want to?

i seriously doubt you guys can do that in 2 seconds


but i do commend you

Re: Re: WOW!!!
 

Team 60 did it last year with a 2 Speed shift on the fly drivetrain.

I agree with a couple people above. A: I don't think you can do that in two seconds. and B: If I were to play against you I'd be ramming you at the start of the match if we weren't quicker then you to the top already. But I'm not saying that you guys couldn't do that in two seconds I just don't think it's realistic. I would, however, love to see some video. You guys have done a truly unique thing, and there's no arguing with that.

How much does it weigh?

What are you using to lift it initially?

What else can it do?

Our Robot
 

Thanks for the Praise everbody but we tried, and the pistons we orderd are NOT strong enough to flip the machine over the wall. so were going for a more conservitve method of deploying. But we will still have a machine wich can control the bridge Pluss! I think we made it look prety, bad A$$!


Tytus Gerrish
Team 179 SwampThing

Re: Re: WOW!!!
 

we had a possible available output of our template drive train at 25 ft/sec. we kind of burnt the carpet in one of our school hallways stopping.

We haven't clocked our bot, but we have already gotten air off the ramp flat out in 1st. Our bot is pretty light, but it is definitely possible

Just a thought, say you are in the A position and your alliance partner is obviously in the B position...during autonomous mode, you let your amazing bot do what it's designed to do, and end up blocking the ramp, does this make your alliance partner either
a. be able to beat you to the ramp itself, get into "king of the hill position"
b. go under the bar, around the ramp ( going up the side you are not currently blocking ) to get into "king of the hill position"?

I mean, amazing bot, I'd be frightened to be against you and a bot that could go under the bar...it would be a great match.


As for 247's capabilites, just wait and see!

:ahh:


that's my first impression

Good bot to team with you would be a limbo bot or someone who can go over you.

BOLCKING
 

If your our aliance partner were just gonna say Shut Up stay out of our way and weel do the rest and uess those drill motors go prety fliping fast. Just beware of our "HELICOPTER MOVE"

Tytus Gerrish [Team179SwampThing]

Who gave Tytus a computer?!?!!!!
We officially disavow any and all statements made by this individual and also appologize for any indiscretions he may take. He's a great kid in real life (and a great helper/mechanic), But.... Sorry if he gives people the wrong impression of Team 179 though.... We plan to fully cooperate and participate to our fullest potential.

Tytus, have you stopped your meds??


BTW Thankyou everyone for the very kind comments. It's true our flipping didn't work out. The pistons didn't quite live up to our mathmatical expectaions (not even close.. My fault). But we're working on plan B :-)

Thanks

How many engineers do you guys have helping you?

Sorry!
 

I realise now that my comments were ungrachous and yes I havent taken my medication in eight years. And you have Mr. Alison to thank for giving me a computer. And there are around 5 to 8 engineers helping us BUT! they make me do most of the work!

Tytus Gerrish [team 179]

Sory For That
 

SORRY! They Dont realy make me do all the work!

Look I'm Just holding the robot there

Tytus Gerrish [Team 179]

GRIN
 

NICE GRIN HUH?

The Lexan is clear the green is just protective plastic

holy cow
 

I would just like to say wow and nice job on that nice peice of work now just wandering how relaible is it i mean is there a certain spot you have to make it over the wall and what if you are hit off by someone or someon makes it to the ramp bofore and like blocks so you cant spread out and how goodare you at being rammed can you hold your steady at like a robot that does 9 ft per sec or higher?

31337

Something sounds strange
 

:confused:In the beginning of this thread, you guys have pictures of you going over the bar and unfolding in 2 seconds. Why is it that suddenly your math is wrong, and this became impossible. It sounds a little strange as if you are trying to hide something. I could be wrong. Either way, good luck in doing whatever you are doing.

Outside the box!
 

I think you guys did an excellent job thinking outside the box! I agree with everyone's comments thus far it is a risky decision but sometime you just have to try it out!

I'd love to see it in person!

Ellery

Re: Something sounds strange
 

It wasn't doing that under its own power. It was probably just put into those positions by a human.

Swampthing
 

You may be pleased to know our machine is fully functional and the atounmous mode fets it STRAIGHT uo the ramp very quickly

I think we might just do it

Look closely at the second picture in the top row... you can see somebody hiding behind the robot... it's held up by that person probably... good bot idea tho...

Under 2 seconds? Holy rusted metal batman!!!! That's crazy!! You guys are gonna own at competition.

wow you guys...I'm sure you'll get it working in time

can't wait to see you guys run it!

I can't wait till we face off at UCF... we'll see if it really can do 2 seconds... if not, I hope your robot has insurance and a back-up plan... ;) See ya at UCF!

Re: Re: Re: WOW!!!
 

Our 2002 bot Fluffy was orginally geared for 14fps:p :D ...we couldn't control it with the existing first controls. Went wild...had to regear it for 12fps :(.

It comes to like I said in another thread...how you play the game, for qualifying or for finals!

Dunno if you saw the replies, but we don't flip over the wall now, that was our original design which my math didn't quite work out. All the estimates we're predicated on them. The original image of the flip was testing, not actual. The deployment is now different but still very functional and consistent. Sorry but my team does not want me to divulge the process of deployment at this point. But it's probably not hard to figure out if you look at at our current picture

I still like the idea of the robot splitting in half like that to cover the whole ramp

twas a great concept, and now it looks like you will just fold out and drive up the ramp straight

New Beatty Bomb
 

I hope during ur new deployment, ur bot doesn't prey to human player boxes becoming lodged under u. This strategy very similar to the Beatty Bomb strategy of last year where a human player tried to launch a ball under the Beast. It was unsuccessful and rather dangerous as one of Beatty's coaches (Brian Beatty I think) had the wind knocked out of him by a high-speed soccer ball. However, human players this year could place a box right in ur deployment area, which is easier than throwing it there.

what, did the soccer ball go right through the plexiglass?

oh, and about the interference by the bins, you're right. at the UTC scrimmage some teams discovered that lining all the bins up in a row in front of a robot would be pushed back into the wall and jam when the robot tried to move during autonomous mode. Quite annoying.

Not a bad design but wouldn't it be easy to just push you right down the ramp and you fall on your side?

You do recall that bins must be in the scoring zone, which doesn't include the neutral zone.

THANKS
 

Me Too, I very much like our "SPLIT" manuver but it is only one of many

It was in the Finals or Semis but the ball went over alliance station. Brain Beatty (a coach) was standing a few feet behind the wall.

I don't see how throwing a ball over 2 8' walls spaced 48' apart could have the trajectory required to injure someone standing 56' from the throwing spot..

I dont remember exactly the tragectory of the ball but it happened at nats on Einstien during the championship Semis (Kingsmen vs. Beatty) last year. I am sure thousands of others saw it and Beatty alluded to it in a post after nats.

Check out this old thread from Brian Beatty (its #3): http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...&threadid=4047

Sounds like he got em in the ^%##. Anyhow I don't see how this applies to our bot. Unless people plan to throw boxes at it (which I think is a bad idea). It can clear out the human boxes if people want to put them in front of it, go ahead :). Also if they want to ram us we have a surprise waiting (secret ninja auto mode)!! :ahh: After seeing all the matches I can't wait to see our bot in action. It should be great at getting the bins over, even if we aren't there first cuz we're 125" wide and have a big net, but I'm always too optomistic. I've got a vid I'd like to show but I need to talk to some people on the team before I release it (one of our Auto modes).... I don't mean to sound pompous, I'm just really looking forward to the competition and excitement. We're usually the first weekend (Kennedy regional), and after those I'm usually burnt out and need a break, heh. I'm chompin at the bit watching all these other regionals.

I haven't seen anything on how team 45 did, I'd love to see some vids or pics.

Wow. You guys are crazy. Crazy crazy. That is one nice robot, creative idea, everything. Wow. I just hope we don't have to go up against you :-P

ha. thats pretty awesome. keep it up!!! :]

So, anyone see this bot practice today? How did it do?

I saw 3 or 4 qualifying matches today over the webcast, and it seemed 179 was having a few issues.
1) They had major problems driving in a straight line in all but one match
2)their autonomy is pretty slow
3)they dont have too much power
4)manueverability is poor because they are so long
5)They cannot let anyone else on the ramp, alliance partner, or otherwise

The only match that they seemed to be very effective in was one where no other team's autonomy worked, leaving them plenty of time to get to the top, in which they did take out the ENTIRE top, but lost anyways. Most of the time, another team got behind them and pushed them out of the way. One big problem they seemed to be having was running into the sides of the ramp before getting on it, because of the width of their robot.

Cory

Too bad 179 could not slinky over the wall but when they were quite effective during some of the matches at the Central Florida regionals. Swamp Thing deployed and made its way up the ramp completely centered and knocked down the entire wall in autonomous mode. That was an exciting match.