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Back to the original topic at hand, one word- Forklift. Anyone who meets team 38 at the New England regional will see what I mean =D |
Sweet job guys, now just make sure to keep that DJ fool under control ;)
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devising strategy
I understand your point DJ, and my pants ARE on thank you very much :) but I am not making an entire strategy based on pictures. I have actually been doing strategy since the first days of the build period. I take concepts of robots, the base goal of several different robots out there. These concepts are fairly easy to come up with, we thought ramp control 3 seconds after the game was announced, and we were actually designing one before the broadcast was over. Now, I take these concepts and build the primary goal of the concept, and then use the pictures online to further refine the strategies a bit. From here I build scenarios taking in account many possible aspects, then pick the weakest of the most common aspects within the scenarios. From there I add input on the design of the robot, which is how I know there is another way of defeating your strategy. From those strategies, along with the refinements based on pictures on the internet, I have a pretty good base strategy against a type of robot. It is pretty dumb of anyone to think that they can build an effective strategy for each and every robot in the field, the only time anyone should EVER do this is against an extremely unique robot, which in itself is building a strategy against a type. Seeing your robot is nice, and the more ramp control robots I see, the more refined the base strategy will be. Oh yeah, I still really look forward to seeing you guys at MMR, I need more ideas to steal. Much faster than making my own :ahh:
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Congrats 'Kats
Wonderful design concept...
You make Indiana proud as you always do!!! We hope we can make a contribution to you as an alliance partner in Chicago if we team up. Our robot is a little under-the-bar stack destroyer with a nifty sliding ramp which allows our alliance partner to climb on our back at the at the top of the ramp for a different endgame 50 point strategy. Thanks to Andy Baker and all of the other folks at the Kokomo workshop and all the other great teams from Indiana (Perry, Morristown, Carmel) we designed and completed our first robot on time !!! We will be cheering all of you guys on in Chicago and in St. Louis...see you there!! Best of luck!!! thanks again!!! Bob Steele Chief Advisor Team 1018 |
Thanks
Bob,
Thanks for the kind comments... there are surely alot of great teams in Indiana, and the RoboDevils look to be strong contenders who can make this state even better. We definitely look forward to playing with you guys in the upcoming regionals. As for this design... many of you are right... it is beatable, and there are ways to do it. No robot is unstoppable. Lifting us up is a good idea, and it would probably work. Just how much you have to lift is the unknown thing.... is it 10 lbs? is it 150 lbs? Remember to lift with your legs, not your back. Speaking of lifting... consider a weightlifter who is competing in the dead lift competition. He grabs the bar, lifts the weight, and his feet now are supporting the weight of his own body + the weight of the bar. So... if he weighs 200 lbs, and he is pulling up on a weight of 200 lbs, his feet now see 400 lbs of force pushing against the floor. He better be lifting with his legs. Andy B. ... who is groggy from being the night before ship date |
Great looking robot. I'm eager to see how it performs. See you guys at Midwest.
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Bigger they R harder they fall
Looks like a well designed and built bot. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it impervious to other well built bots. As the Miracle Workerz found out last year, when u try to take on everyone head-on, u will meet ur match. MOEhawk (MOEv2002) could completely dominate 70% of the robots, leaving them no chance to score. About 25% could beat us if chance favored them, and less than 5% were too fast or strong for us to beat in 2 of 3 matches.
The problem comes when u try to hold ur bot in a scoring position for a long period of time, u have essentially declared open season on ur bot. Teams can and will do anything to get u out of scoring position including brutally destroying ur bot in BattleBots fashion. Get used to the cheer of the crowd when ur bot is mauled, cause seeing the big guy go down is the biggest crowd-pleaser. It wasn't just us either, everyone was amazed when Spam's Fluffy slew the Beatty Beast in the finals. I hope have a good sense of humor about it or u will become bitter, clamoring for DQ's for intentional damage. If u do well holding ur ground, every team will be looking to destroy u. That is y we created the MOE Mauler award to reward teams which graciously and professionally tore us to shreds (without malice). Teams even used broken pieces of our bot to get picked for the eliminations. The Best Advice I can give: Start preparing a well organized Pit and a quick efficient Crew. |
For now all we have is scattered pictures and early scrimage reports to determine the character of this years competition. The majority of stackers who have posted pics so far are of 2 types. Low rideing arms and tall internal stackers. They both have noticeable flaws that have emerged in scrimages. Many stackers rely on boxes being in a certain orientation. Those who have arms are slow at stacking. If the Kats, or any good ramp-dom, knocks down the wall the result would be 37 boxes scattered boxes every which way and 2 bots somewhere in the jumble. Its important to know this will happen and modify strategies to deal with it. For me it means rethinking the idea that a ramp-dom needed a good, low-riding stacker to gaurantee a win.
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Suct's like a fox
A well engineered robot (which this certainly appears to be) will be impossible to move in this situation. I am 99% sure that they not only suction to the floor, but that they pull up on the suctioned wings in order to create a HUGE tractive force. That's one reason why those wings are so thick and stiff.
200 lbs. x 2 wings x 1.5ish c.o.f. on the treads = UNMOVEABLE Other designs that I have seen deploy suction cups or feet don't pull up. This really does nothing except give more traction to *other* robots pushing you from below. Good luck, have fun, Dan |
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BTW, your bot looks great. As it's a TechnoKat creation, I actually believe it'll perform as greatly as it looks. :) |
[/hint]Speaking of lifting... consider a weightlifter who is competing in the dead lift competition. He grabs the bar, lifts the weight, and his feet now are supporting the weight of his own body + the weight of the bar. So... if he weighs 200 lbs, and he is pulling up on a weight of 200 lbs, his feet now see 400 lbs of force pushing against the floor. He better be lifting with his legs.[/hint]
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Looks great, as always :P
I'm not sucking up :P |
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