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D.J. Fluck 19-02-2003 12:28

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Originally posted by JosephM
What do you mean by that.... :ahh:

You can decide on stratagies and other things by pictures. I can tell by your pics what we can do against you. I know it's not 110% accurate, but it's still more than you have anyway.

Nothing against you personally, its just that whoever tries debating something with me usually completely misses the point.

Marc P. 19-02-2003 12:29

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Originally posted by D.J. Fluck
Typical...you missed the point.

You can't make strategies by pictures alone, like I said in the previous post, the pictures are a basis, but they can't be used for main strategy. Strategy is a complex thing, you have to rely mostly on accurate scouting information and your own viewing opinions over what a picture shows.

A picture tells a thousand words...

yeah right.

I agree, not much can be deciphered by pictures and printed text. Useful/applicable scouting can only be done in real time in the real world, observing the physical motions, capabliities, incapabilities, and overall performance of a robot, rather than a still grab in which the context of motion is difficult to ascertain.



Back to the original topic at hand, one word- Forklift.

Anyone who meets team 38 at the New England regional will see what I mean =D

Ricky Q. 19-02-2003 14:17

Sweet job guys, now just make sure to keep that DJ fool under control ;)

EvilInside 19-02-2003 14:50

devising strategy
 
I understand your point DJ, and my pants ARE on thank you very much :) but I am not making an entire strategy based on pictures. I have actually been doing strategy since the first days of the build period. I take concepts of robots, the base goal of several different robots out there. These concepts are fairly easy to come up with, we thought ramp control 3 seconds after the game was announced, and we were actually designing one before the broadcast was over. Now, I take these concepts and build the primary goal of the concept, and then use the pictures online to further refine the strategies a bit. From here I build scenarios taking in account many possible aspects, then pick the weakest of the most common aspects within the scenarios. From there I add input on the design of the robot, which is how I know there is another way of defeating your strategy. From those strategies, along with the refinements based on pictures on the internet, I have a pretty good base strategy against a type of robot. It is pretty dumb of anyone to think that they can build an effective strategy for each and every robot in the field, the only time anyone should EVER do this is against an extremely unique robot, which in itself is building a strategy against a type. Seeing your robot is nice, and the more ramp control robots I see, the more refined the base strategy will be. Oh yeah, I still really look forward to seeing you guys at MMR, I need more ideas to steal. Much faster than making my own :ahh:

Bob Steele 19-02-2003 16:17

Congrats 'Kats
 
Wonderful design concept...
You make Indiana proud as you always do!!!

We hope we can make a contribution to you as an alliance partner in Chicago if we team up.

Our robot is a little under-the-bar stack destroyer with a nifty sliding ramp which allows our alliance partner to climb on our back at the at the top of the ramp for a different endgame 50 point strategy.

Thanks to Andy Baker and all of the other folks at the Kokomo workshop and all the other great teams from Indiana (Perry, Morristown, Carmel) we designed and completed our first robot on time !!!

We will be cheering all of you guys on in Chicago and in St. Louis...see you there!!

Best of luck!!!

thanks again!!!

Bob Steele Chief Advisor Team 1018

Andy Baker 19-02-2003 22:49

Thanks
 
Bob,

Thanks for the kind comments... there are surely alot of great teams in Indiana, and the RoboDevils look to be strong contenders who can make this state even better. We definitely look forward to playing with you guys in the upcoming regionals.

As for this design... many of you are right... it is beatable, and there are ways to do it. No robot is unstoppable. Lifting us up is a good idea, and it would probably work. Just how much you have to lift is the unknown thing.... is it 10 lbs? is it 150 lbs? Remember to lift with your legs, not your back.

Speaking of lifting... consider a weightlifter who is competing in the dead lift competition. He grabs the bar, lifts the weight, and his feet now are supporting the weight of his own body + the weight of the bar. So... if he weighs 200 lbs, and he is pulling up on a weight of 200 lbs, his feet now see 400 lbs of force pushing against the floor. He better be lifting with his legs.

Andy B. ... who is groggy from being the night before ship date

ChrisA 20-02-2003 00:12

Great looking robot. I'm eager to see how it performs. See you guys at Midwest.

The Lucas 20-02-2003 00:29

Bigger they R harder they fall
 
Looks like a well designed and built bot. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it impervious to other well built bots. As the Miracle Workerz found out last year, when u try to take on everyone head-on, u will meet ur match. MOEhawk (MOEv2002) could completely dominate 70% of the robots, leaving them no chance to score. About 25% could beat us if chance favored them, and less than 5% were too fast or strong for us to beat in 2 of 3 matches.
The problem comes when u try to hold ur bot in a scoring position for a long period of time, u have essentially declared open season on ur bot. Teams can and will do anything to get u out of scoring position including brutally destroying ur bot in BattleBots fashion. Get used to the cheer of the crowd when ur bot is mauled, cause seeing the big guy go down is the biggest crowd-pleaser. It wasn't just us either, everyone was amazed when Spam's Fluffy slew the Beatty Beast in the finals. I hope have a good sense of humor about it or u will become bitter, clamoring for DQ's for intentional damage. If u do well holding ur ground, every team will be looking to destroy u. That is y we created the MOE Mauler award to reward teams which graciously and professionally tore us to shreds (without malice). Teams even used broken pieces of our bot to get picked for the eliminations.

The Best Advice I can give: Start preparing a well organized Pit and a quick efficient Crew.

sevisehda 20-02-2003 00:30

For now all we have is scattered pictures and early scrimage reports to determine the character of this years competition. The majority of stackers who have posted pics so far are of 2 types. Low rideing arms and tall internal stackers. They both have noticeable flaws that have emerged in scrimages. Many stackers rely on boxes being in a certain orientation. Those who have arms are slow at stacking. If the Kats, or any good ramp-dom, knocks down the wall the result would be 37 boxes scattered boxes every which way and 2 bots somewhere in the jumble. Its important to know this will happen and modify strategies to deal with it. For me it means rethinking the idea that a ramp-dom needed a good, low-riding stacker to gaurantee a win.

BSMFIRST 20-02-2003 02:12

Suct's like a fox
 
A well engineered robot (which this certainly appears to be) will be impossible to move in this situation. I am 99% sure that they not only suction to the floor, but that they pull up on the suctioned wings in order to create a HUGE tractive force. That's one reason why those wings are so thick and stiff.

200 lbs. x 2 wings x 1.5ish c.o.f. on the treads = UNMOVEABLE

Other designs that I have seen deploy suction cups or feet don't pull up. This really does nothing except give more traction to *other* robots pushing you from below.


Good luck, have fun,
Dan

Manoel 20-02-2003 10:10

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Originally posted by Clark Gilbert
The foam is really solid. if you took that arm and hit a person with it, it's similar to hitting them with a bat.


Did you actually try this? :D
BTW, your bot looks great. As it's a TechnoKat creation, I actually believe it'll perform as greatly as it looks. :)

Clark Gilbert 20-02-2003 11:33

[/hint]Speaking of lifting... consider a weightlifter who is competing in the dead lift competition. He grabs the bar, lifts the weight, and his feet now are supporting the weight of his own body + the weight of the bar. So... if he weighs 200 lbs, and he is pulling up on a weight of 200 lbs, his feet now see 400 lbs of force pushing against the floor. He better be lifting with his legs.[/hint]

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Did you actually try this?
I think someone tried to use it as a weapon, can't remember who though. :]

Ricky Q. 20-02-2003 11:43

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Originally posted by Clark Gilbert

I think someone tried to use it as a weapon, can't remember who though. :]

Was proabably DJ trying to hit himself again :p

D.J. Fluck 20-02-2003 23:24

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Originally posted by Ricky Q.
Was proabably DJ trying to hit himself again :p
No, I was practicing with my punching bag and it coincidently had a pic of you on it :p

yangotang 21-02-2003 01:16

Looks great, as always :P

I'm not sucking up :P


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