Nice work guys. I would be afraid to have to face you again. NYC 2002. I like the design... I'm suprised that nobody commented on your lack of signs/numbers. I know... old pict. Good luck

Looks amazing, really cool, do y ou guys fold up to go under the bar by ne chance?

what do you plan on doing if your up against a rampdom bot?

well, as for team numbers and whatnot, we're putting that on at annapolis. didn't have time, and it's not very important :p.

as for KOH bots, we'll just go around them. i think we'll have enough power to push the weaker ones, but not the stronger ones. plus, we can just move all their bins out of the scoring zone if they're too scared to come down and play with us :).

Your robot suffers from the WORST case of "engineer takeover" I have ever seen. It's a very cool robot, but it's just to bad that the stundents didn't have a hand in designing/building it.

So...
You spent a lot of time in the 810 shop?
No?

Ohh, then you must be good friends with some of the people on 810?
Nooo??

Ohh, then you must just be some amazing psychic who has insight into the 810 shop, and all that has gone on there?
Noooo???

Then... how do you feel you have the right to criticize?
Honestly... what did that post do? What did you just accomplish, other than attacking a great team (who you probably haven't interacted with), and their methods?

I'll be sure to pass your insightful comments along to the two engineers who had nothing to do with the design of this robot. That's especially remarkable, too, seeing as we have only two engineers that have any involvement in our team.

Don't open your mouth when you clearly know nothing. It makes you, and your team, look exceptionally stupid. Don't judge my team, either. I take it personally.

If you'd like to pursue this further, you can send me a PM. Otherwise, please be quiet. Thanks.

*jaw drops*

um, yeah, right.

i'm one of the "core-students" on 810. we have M. Krass, a college student/engineer, who design the robot, two machine shops who have CNC mills/lathes/benders/etc, a company who provides us with an engineer or two, and a student on the team has a small machine shop in his basement. we also have an electrical engineer, his wife who is a computer scientist, and several parents who help whenever they can.

the students have built most, if not all of that machine. sure, the engineers help, they make tons of stuff for us. but in no way, shape, or form have the engineers taken over.

i take it as an insult, for you to just look and say "engineer takeover" because it is implying that me, and my team, are incapable as high school students alone, to make such a robot. if your team is this way, well, i feel sorry for you, and you should work on fixing this. my team is a combination of high school students and engineers, working together, key word here, to make a robot.

FYI: i'm a programmer for the team, no one engineer knows programming. how is that engineer takeover? without me and the other programmers, all students, that robot wouldn't work, no matter how hard the engineers jumped up and down.

i don't see a picture of other teams' robots and say "engineer takeover." sure, there's teams that do nothing while the engineers do everything. we're not one of them.

i notice you're in palo alto, i believe that's in CA if i'm correct. 810 will be at the SVR regional, so if you feel so inclined to insult my team, maybe you can stop by our pits, and we can show you how the students work, build, and know the robot like the back of their hands. if you can say the same about your team's students, great, but it doesn't give you the right to go forth and bash other teams, that are ACROSS THE COUNTRY from you, without knowing a single thing about them, except that they built an exceptionally professional looking robot (and that is inferred from your comment of "engineer takeover," because if they took it over, they'd make it look professional, right?).

/me stands stunned...

Why would some one claim they know something when they dont...

The robot, as it exists right now, cannot go under the barrier.

It was designed to do something a bit better than that, but, unfortunately, we ran out of time to really get the assurance we need to label it a feature.

In either case, we are working at solving our reliability issues where that is concerned, as well as developing a contingency retrofit that may be better suited toward effectively competing in a game that plays out like we've been seeing in scrimmages.

Stay tuned for details. Maybe.

i go wit ian w. u have no write to criticize my team
is there any reason to do that?
i cant think of one
this robot took me and the rest of my team many "man" hours to build. we would stay up at the school until 11:30+ at night.
i know almost everything about that robot. and so does most of the other team members on the team
so i still cant think of any reason to say that about my team.

perhaps I am wrong, and if so I apologize, but I believe 810 was the team last year that had a I saw with 4 middle-aged balding guys all by themselves repairing the robot at nationals last year. The huge amount of machining has gone into your robot suggests that adults were heavily involved in building the bot.

I hear the protest from every team "but we know the robot like the back of our hand!!" That may be so, and I don't know what your team is like, but on my team any student who had a hand in building the robot could fix any mechanical system robot given a reasonable amount of time and appropriate tools. Most of us could fix electrical malfunctions as well.

I suspect that such is not quite the case on your team. And yes we will be at SVR and you're welcome to come by our pit and check out the robot that no one over the age of 19 touched from the day the materials were bought to the day it went into the crate (yes i'm sure it's hyperbole- our janitor probably pushed it aside, and our teacher helped us carry it to practice, but the point is that no adult built/designed anything for us).

Sorry if I offend, but each year our student built robot does very well at SVR, only to be taken down in quarter or semi-finals by robots that were built by engineers. Eventually you get kinda frustrated about that, y'know what i mean?

just so you know...those 4 middle aged balding guys were all students...maddie, ian, john and dave

they did a $@#$@#$@#$@# good job even though they beat up our team.

these guys were CLEARLY not students- but as i said it was last year, so may have the wrong team...

wow, I am stunned. How can you make such claims without even knowing what goes on? I know a few of 810's team members quite well, and I can say that from what Ive seen, they are very very involved in their robot. Do I sense a bit of jealousy that your team has no engineers working to your teams advantage? It makes no sense to be proud of never having an engineer help you. Try it, your bot will be better. We pride ourselves on being student run and student built, but guess what? We have 3 engineers that help us, and without them, we would be nowhere near where we are now. Just because a teams robot looks nice, it doesnt mean it was made by engineers. Even if it was made by engineers, yes it is unfair, but the point of FIRST isnt winning, or losing, its what you get out of it. If you are on a team that is totally dominated by engineers, but you have the greatest experience in the world, thats great. Similarly, if you are on a student dominated team, but you have a bad experience, then it sucks.

In conclusion, dont bash on teams you know nothing about... because we all know you don't.

Cory