Getting Rid of Image Discussion of Who Am I Gallery
 

I know I'm not the only one that feels this but there really is not much of a point in having Image Discussion for Who Am I Pictures. I've looked at the threads and it has just turned into guys and girls hitting on each other, dicussions that should be taking place in private messages or IM.

A person's contact information is usually available in a user's profile.

I'll third that... and I recommend people also read the announcements and not tag pictures to posts.

I anti-second the motion. It is something different than just talking robots all day so I say keep it. It's a great way to learn about some of the other wonderful people in FIRST.

Its primary use, so far, has been discussion that should have taken place on AIM or in Tigerbolt, or email, or Private Messages. I gave an implied / subtle warning, which was acknowledged, but not remembered.

So.. the discussion links have been removed from the Who-Am-I gallery.

I agree to a certain extent, as the who am i discussions cluttered up the recently posted on threads. But perhaps a forum could be devoted to them and just not show up on that sidebar or whatever it is, like chit chat posts.

And yes, people do hit on each other in them, and they probably shouldn't, but oh well. It could be considered off topic, I guess.

What do you moderators/administrators think of making a forum for discussion of "who am i"?

Or, for that matter, what does anyone else think of it?

Oh well. I've used a lot of words and said almost nothing.

It doesn't really matter, anyway.

Oh well.

Yay.
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wow, hot topic.
When I first clicked post, there were no replies.
Oh well.
I'm just a programmer, what do I know.
Oh well.
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I concur!

I agree...It really makes me mad when FIRST-related posts get pushed off the portal cause of people flirting.

since posts in the chit-chat forum don't count for post count anymore, I guess it's not that bad of an idea to not have any posts from that forum appear in the portal 'Latest Threads' section.

I just wanna apologize for all of this...people posting on other peoples pictures isn't to make other people mad...its to say hi get soemthing started...part of FIRST is meeting other people and making friendships that can last...I mean don't we all already have something in common? we just spent the past 6 weeks with our own teams growing and bonding and taking everyones ideas to make a robot that we best see fit for competition..that part is over to an extent...now its time to go out and meet all the other wonderful people in the FIRST world and get to know them...and just talk...that way when we get to competition you can go up and talk to that person or those people and it makes the whole experience that much more worth it..and as long as nothing bad is being said then it should be ok...or else why would there have ever been the chance to post on pictures? if the oppertunity is there then why wouldn't we all take the chance to talk to eachother...so if it is making people upset I do agree don't let it show up in the recent posts or recent threads...but this is still a good way to be able to talk to people if you want to...its not meant to hurt peoples feelings or to make people mad...so yes maybe it should be changed so it doesn't show up

While i feel that some of the things said in this thread are valid, others seem very shallow to me. I mean, how are some of the conversations in the picture threads different from anything in the FIRST classified type threads?? Those threads are made up entirely of people flirting. Its not that big of a deal to me that the who am i threads are closed, but i think that some of the discussons occuring on them did not merit the closing of the entire concept.

Other threads, as inane as they can become, usually involve more than four people.

Lately, the Who Am I image discuss threads have involved four people. You know who they are.

If y'all want to get to know one another better, go for it. Please, save us some grief and do it in private.

Some of the Chit-Chat posts interest me, and as such, I search for all new posts whenever I visit CD. A personal conversation among four people does not, and it's something that, in my mind, should best be kept private.

I'm not against people being social. I just wish that things here on CD could be a little less cluttered, especially given that there are other venues that are far, far more conducive to that type of discussion.

I feel the same way Melissa. If you want to comment a specific person, even make fun of them, please don't waste forum space and bandwidth by starting a discussion on their picture! Send them a PM or contact them by other means!



On another note...


How YOU doin' Melissa?.....sorry, couldn't resist

FIRST isn't just about Bots even though thats what some people think. Its also about experiences and meeting people. Many people get college connections and some even meet contacts that lead to internships and careers. I don't thinks its wrong to chat about stuff other than bots. Maybe someone should start a new forum category for random chats.

I'm back and forth
 

When I first notice that people coudl talk about my pic it was kinda a shock. But I thought it would be fun. Yes alot of the content in the thread could be covered in AIM or something else...but this was kinda a Chat room thing. I could talk with people that wanted to know me nad I coudl get ot know them. Which is what PM is for. But, at hte same time these people can get to know one another. Yes I haev started PM's and AIM with a few of the people...but it is so much easier to just write a post to them on MY thread. I talk to them on other threads but it is hard and time consuming to talk to all of them seperate....I thought this "Who am I?" thing was a great idea becuase then I can talk to a bunch of poeple at once....But i guess taking advantage of this great idea was a bad idea.....WHy? I really do not fully understand! People had posted that I should move my convo to an IM or PM....but they dident have to read it so why imput on it?

I guess if I'm so say sorry it is this...I'm sorry I'm a girl, Sorry I'm on first, Sorry I take time to tlak to other people in first about non Frist things......

Lately, the Who Am I image discuss threads have involved four people. You know who they are. The fact that you even said that really really makes me mad...you have no idea who we are and Ash I agree with you...you probably didn't even read everything that was going on in the board anyways...not very many people were reading them and we weren't even causing any problems..and ashleigh is right...its easier that way to get more people involved..its like a chat room...so I'm sorry for being a girl on FIRST as well...all this is just too much drama! its not a big deal...they shouldn't have allowed us to be able to post in the first place if people were going to get mad...so for these "four people who know who they are" we were just using the sources that were given to us...thank you.

you're more than welcome to use the übergeeks boards!

www.firstubergeeks.com/forum

it's not like anyone posts on there anyhow haha...you'd pretty much have it all to yourselves :D

btw, i have to agree. even though it was PRIMARILY four people talking, it was definitely an attempt to get more people involved. it's not as if they were discussing an inside joke they had with a girl that sat next to them in 3rd grade. they left many questions open to reply such as "what kind of car do you have?". if people chose not to post, that's their problem.

*jeremy

thank you I couldn't agree more! we honestly were hoping more people would get invovled...thats it! we kept it open like that for those reasons thats all

I think the image discussion on Who Am I links is good.. to an extent.

Could we possibly get a new forum that Who Am I go into? Where posts act just like chit-chat? (doesn't show up in post count nor portal)

The most annoying part of the rampant replies is the portal, a lot of good discussions get kicked off the list because of too many Who Am I's.


As to the ubergeek guy's "open-end" questions that were posted, those kind of things have been brought up in the past and shopuld be brought up in the chit-chat forum.

OH NO! HELP! SAVE US!

People are talking to each other on Delphi!!! On No! Thats awful! STOP IT! STOP IT NOW!!!

......I really don't know where to start about this.

Unless I am seriously mistaken, the point of the CD forums is for people involved in FIRST Robotics to converse with each other. What must they converse about? Robotics, Rules, "pick-up lines", Regionals, Cars, Sports, Hockey, "confidentials", BUT, aparently we are not allowed to talk to each other about such things as our own cars, our future school plans, what regionals we're competeing at (basically the things that were happening in the Image Discuss threads).

FIRST is not only about robots. It is about people. Us. High school students. So, why can we not use it as such, and talk to each other?

Does it hurt ANYONE if people use Delphi to talk to each other (it is a DISCUSSION BOARD afterall)?

No, of course it doesn't.

Are the things being talked about rude, or off colour?

Again, No.

The things that are happening in the discussions are perfectly legitimate discussions between people (several people - not just 2 talking back and forth) who are involved in FIRST.

That being said, how can closing the Image Discussions be justified?

Since some of you apparently skipped right over this, I'm quoting it here for you to read again. Brandon, one of the only people who has any right to say what CD's purpose is, has already said that the discussions didn't belong here.


Time for a lock on this thread too?

Yea but this area is for suggestions and comments on actions that have taken place...we are just voiceing why we used those threads and find it wrong to jsut close them. It hink the idea of moving them is a great one....Yes Chit-Chat can be used for osme of the topics...but in the "Who am I" the topic kept changing and you didnet have to start a WHOLE NEW thread

Well, for one, 47 changed their hosting plan to allow more bandwidth usage on a faster server. The Chief Delphi boards are provided, as a service, to the community. The hosting isn't free, I wouldn't be surprised at it costing $90/month for the amount of bandwidth they go through.

They set very simple rules, very loose rules, for the conduct expected by people who use the service. If you don't remember them, take a look.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 'Chit-Chat' forum takes up about 90% of the bandwidth used, but 47 agreed to that when they formed it.

Harrison, Biggs, Ashes, and anyone else who seems offended by the reaction, relax. It's not a personal attack against you folks, just a general *arg* at what has been going on.

Just as the chit-chat got too popular and was removed from the 'portal' links, I think the Who Am I discussions are getting to popular. They should still be availible to those who wish to make effort to read them, but shouldn't have to gleem at people who don't want to

If you don't want/refuse to acknowledge Comments/Suggestions....then WHY is the section of the boards here?

We are commenting on a change made to the CD forums. Whether or not our comments end up having an effect is up to Mr. Martus.

I read each one of them. . . as I used to read every thread on these boards.

That was my commitment to FIRST and to being as much of a help as I could be. That's not possible anymore. The volume of posting is enormous, though it seems as if the amount of posting that's of interest to an entire community is dwindling.

Conversations between limited people of a personal, colloquial nature aren't of interest to the community, in my mind. Others may disagree about that, and that's great. Life would be boring if everyone took my word as law.

I don't think any of us want to sever attempts to make friends, really. But, please, be mindful that - while the four of you may have been having a rollicking old time getting to know one another - the rest of us have to bear witness to it.

There's a time and place for everything. CD is great for discussion about FIRST, networking, and initial contact. Once you've met someone you're interested in knowing better, it's not terribly more difficult to pursue those interests in a venue that's more appropriate and less public.

shes right...we aren't trying to make anyone mad...we are trying to get our side out... I mean its like people are putting the blame on us for something that we didn't know was wrong...so if you want to move it thats fine...it is chit chat anyways isn't it?

I'd just like to point out there were more than just four of us posting...we were just in the majority...and it wasn't all that public and if you don't like what was being said they you didn't have to read it...it wasn't bad... I just want to know why there was ever a link to talk about pictures in the first place...because there was one...we used it and are now being attacked for it..its not fair

FYI
 

For the uninitiated: Tigerbolt refers to a chat room which was run by team 73 for a while.. its kinda evolved since then... linkage here
http://www.rit.edu/~us1stwww/chatindex.html


for the computer savvy, its an irc channel,
#firstrobotics on irc.webmaster.com

-Jeff

You might not be attacking us (and I beleive you when you say you're not) but others are.

As for network usage, granted, posting does use bandwidth. But, as you said the chit-chat probably uses 90%. But, Chit-Chat is still there.

If the CD forums were ONLY about robotics, then forums such as the chit-chat would not exist.

I think you missed my points.

I'm not attacking, frankly, I ignore Who Am I discussions because I generally don't care.

Yes I did say chit chat uses probably 90%. I also said that it's not in the portal because it's too popular. I think Who Am I discussions should stay around, but be hidden from the portal.

Actually, it cost about $135 a month for the service provider to host this forum.


Anyway, sure, one of the purpose of this forum is for FIRST participants to meet each other. Well, you've already meet each other. Its time to make those conversations private. The rest of us don't need to and aren't interested in seeing your conversation threads stay on top of the forum.

Again, there is NOTHING wrong with chatting with friends you meet through this forum, just don't clog up the forum because of it. If you want to keep an open thread for people to join in your conversation when they see your picture, go edit your picture description, add a link in it, and lead others to different place to post messages and chat with you.

If your thread does not come up to the first line in the forum every time you make a reply (which will be quite frequently since its a "chat), then by all means have your chat. But since that's not the case, and if everyone start doing this, then the chit chat forum will be packed with these "chat" threads, and people will have no way of seeing which threads are active and aren't. Imagine the first 50 threads are "chat" threads where people talk to others just about anything, and they kept being updated every day 7 days a week, 4 week a month. No one will ever be able to keep track of the forum except the ones participating in those chat threads.

So, please be considerate of others. We are not saying you should not chat with each other. Just do it some other place. Take my suggestion of adding a link in your profile or who-am-I picture. It will work just the same.

Thanks!

Why can't more people ignor what they don't care about?

As for hiding it from the portal, sounds good.

Ok...I did not make my post just to upset you 4 people. You are taking offense to something other people just thought needed to be addressed. Was it really needed that each one of you had a thread for you pictures when the same people were talking in each?
Yes I know there are other "flirting" type threads...but those dont just center around the same few people talking. And I wasn't attacking any of you. Harrison and I used to talk a lot, he should know I wouldn't personally attack his character. But there should be an unspoken limit about how much is too much...and I along with others thought that was crossed coming online to threads upon threads with stuff like that.

When your post get updated every day, and take up the first row of the chit chat forum all the time, it is hard to just ignor it. When enough of these are built up, the first page will be filled with "chatting" threads... Then the 2nd page, then the 3rd, and so on.

If you want, you can request the Webmaster to setup a forum just for your chit chatting, one that isn't visible on the forum page, with a link at the corner. Also, if you feel so strongly about this, why not setup your own forum where you can do whatever you want? No one is stopping you from that.

The suggestion has already been made to put the image discuss threads in a separate section.

And there are plenty of other boards that we "could" use. But, CD is here for the FIRST community to use...it is the place to be...so, should we not be welcome?

This is not a chat room.
AIM/IRC is for chatting.

Jim and I set this precident, and it resulted in a rule change.
"You also agree not to post the same message in multiple forums, or use the forums as a real-time chat, continuing a 2-3 person conversation on for numerious posts in a short period of time."

Say hi. Meet. Then move the backstory to another medium.

Wetzel
~~~~~~~~
AIM/IRC work very well

At the risk of making this a "live chat", I still want to post this reply in here because I want everyone to read this and think about it.

Anyway, I don't think this is an issue of whether you are "welcomed" or not. Of course you are always welcome to make use of this forum. No need to ask.

I think a better way to approach this problem, isn't to get ride of it completely by stopping people from posting "chat threads", but to look at it from the webmaster's stand point. When you think like Brandon, you would think things like "how can we make sure the forum doesn't get clogged up by these threads that only few people are interested in?".

The easiest thing to do is to tell the thread starters "no you can't do this anymore. please do it some where else.", and a lot of us agree that that isn't the best solution. So, the next thing to do is to come up with ideas to make this work, instead of just saying "why aren't we welcomed?", which is what some of you did when you suggest to put image discussions in a seperate section.

For those of you who feel strongly about this, please understand that we have our frustration as well. We are not intentionally posting this to make you mad. We are only saying these to express our frustration, and looking for solutions that will make both side happy.

So, let's move on from the comments like "its not fair that we are being attacked for it" and start the problem solving phrase. Come on, aren't you experts in solvling problems? ;) *hint* robot *hint*.


And, if the owners of the Chief Delphi Forum feel that the threads aren't appropiate... Then, oh well, you should respect their wishes and continue them else where.

Hey Ken L you've posted into this one forum at least 4 times in an hour. Talk about chatting geez...


(someone please kill this thread)

But... so have lots of other people. There's nothing wrong w/ a "hot" topic, only when there are like 2-3 people posting back and forth a lot.

..Sorry, me shutting up now... really doesn't care ;)

and there is a very good reason he has done it!

.....that was a silly post :P

And honestly, I think this thread might becoming somewhat productive with some of the later posts.

I agree with you Ken that stopping it is not the best solution, and I will also say that leaving things as they were is not the road to take either.

So, this stuff is a "chit-chat" type thing....Why not move the "Who Am I Image Discuss" into being a sub-forum of the Chit-Chat forum? (like the Segway had its own little area)

That way people that want to talk about whatever in the pics can do it, but the people that don't want to have anything to do with it can easily avoid it by not going into that forum.

Does that work for the Masters of this Web?

I didnt mean to offend or turn anybody away by shutting down the Who-Am-I picture discussion. The problem was that there were 4 active threads, comprised of the same 4-5 people, all dealing with the same thing... stuff thats already been discussed in the Chit-Chat forum. (or could be with a click of the 'new thread' button)

People do browse the forums by other methods besides the portal. I don't use the portal. Besides the times I've had to fix/modify it, I can count the number of times on one hand that I've actually used it to see new/active threads. I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, its hard to just 'ignore' the threads, when the same ones keep popping up every 2 minutes.

Some things that started to make me look at these threads negatively.. "I just added this picture, so start posting on it", "I thought it would be fun to start a thread about you and have people say stuff about you", etc. Starting a thread, just for the sake of starting a thread is a waste of resources, space, time, etc. If someone has something to say, they will. They don't need an invitation, or anything.

Someone mentioned not being able to talk about other non-first stuff here, like college, high school, etc. Thats what the chit-chat forum is for, and there are already topics on alot of those threads. I know if I saw a topic titled 'Image Discuss: username (team#)' and a topic named 'what college are you going to', i'd have some idea on what the latter thread was about, and know that it probably was going to be about that topic only. The who-am-i topics changed subjects so many times I had no clue what was going on during 1/2 of them.

Anyway. Let me sleep on this, think about it, read the countless replies to this hasty late-night reply, and we'll see what happens in the next day or two. They may come back; they may not. Either way, remember that we are here to talk about robotics. Yes, a good chunk of FIRST is meeting people & such, but if you look -- 3 of the 5 recent "Who-Am-I" threads were about & contained discussion from people on the same team. Yes, we're here to meet peple & talk about random things, and there is a Chit-Chat forum, profile pages (to get contact info), and private messaging for just that.

Thank you, and good night.

[merely a suggestion, dont hurt me]

I believe a while ago there was an effort to get a kind of meeting/dating/flirting forum or community thing going... anyone remember that?

Seems like there are many interested in meeting others in FIRST (judging by the size of chit-chat), so perhaps someone or a group should implement the idea.

Yes, it would be seperate from CD, but if it were advertised well enough, maybe with some special links between CD and "datingFIRST" (as i think it was called)... it could be a viable option to chit-chat.

so thats my 0.02 dolla'

Nik

Just read the quote...It's about the PEOPLE

I think it would be a good idea to hide it from the portal but i als othink it sounds like there are an awful lot of really antisocial ppl here on cd. what's wrong with commenting on people's pics.