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I'm assuming CSS means cascading style sheets...if so, then how can you, since it only gives the tables and whatever else better styles (like dotted borders)

It is more than that it is more than that. With css you can place text anywhere you want to using the absolute position attribute.:)

personally, I use tables w/ CSS.

but...

Yes, I'll agree w/ what you said about frames. The only place I use them on my site is at the bottem where it shows another site. (With plenty of links provided to open the actual site ;))

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Originally posted by wysiswyg
It is more than that it is more than that. With css you can place text anywhere you want to using the absolute position attribute.:)

Ah, ok. I didn't know what that was used for, til now. thanks.

[EDIT] Jack > Frames do have very minimal uses.

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There is one use for frames, if you own a site like www.something.com , but it's hosted on lycos, you can turn the page on something.com to a big frame that points to the lyccos one.

there are much more effective ways of doing this.
Besides why would you ever have something like this anyway. I mean come on. hosting is really cheap.

Stop bashing frames. They are fine if you know how to use them properly. if done correctly they do not mess up on smaller screens, mozilla or low resolutions. I personally do not use frames much but there is nothing wrong with them. I sometimes use frames for navbars that don't change. this saves bandwidth. for everything else css and tables.

(btw: i think that anyone with a small screen or that is running a resolution below 1024x768 should be shot)

sorry ill shut up now

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Originally posted by Rickertsen2
there are much more effective ways of doing this.
Besides why would you ever have something like this anyway. I mean come on. hosting is really cheap.

Stop bashing frames. They are fine if you know how to use them properly. if done correctly they do not mess up on smaller screens, mozilla or low resolutions. I personally do not use frames much but there is nothing wrong with them.

(btw: i think that anyone with a small screen or that is running a resolution below 1024x768 should be executed in a horrible gruesome way)

ill shut up now

800x600 is standard resolution.

i realize that. and thats why im upset because i have to make my pages look okay in 800x600. IMHO everything looks WAY TOO BIG @ 800x600.

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Originally posted by Rickertsen2
i realize that. and thats why im upset because i have to make my pages look okay in 800x600. IMHO everything looks WAY TOO BIG @ 800x600.

I agree with everything looking big, but not TOO BIG. I depends on what your used to. If you think 800x600 is too big, try viewing in 640 x 480

OMG 640x480!!!!!..........
the computers at my old school ran at 640x480. It was horrible. Maybie 800x600 isn't that bad.

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Originally posted by Rickertsen2
OMG 640x480 the computers at my old school ran at 640x480. It was horrible. Maybie 800x600 isn't that bad.

lol. I remember using the 640 one at home, it wasn't nice.

Back in MY day, heck, we didn't have this 800 resolution. You played doom in 640 and loved it!

Btw, I also hate having to make my pages in 800 by 600. So I use the very limits of their screen (800 by 600 is my page design usually) just to punish them. :D

Frames are perfectly fine if done correctly.

The last time I used frames, was.. well when I was a "5 Year Old Internet Newbie"... er.. about 5-7 years ago.

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Originally posted by AJ Quick
Frames are perfectly fine if done correctly.

The last time I used frames, was.. well when I was a "5 Year Old Internet Newbie"... er.. about 5-7 years ago.

I've used them when doing GeoCities sites, but I didn't even know of the flaws then. That's how I learned, and that's why I ain't using them.

Frames typically aren't a problem as long as they are used correctly.

http://stage.itmediaco.com/roboraiders (lotta frames)

Another reason is this:

Not all screen sizes will see the site as you want it be seen. It goes for any type of site really, but still. My computer has large icons that can be as small as a atom (figureativly (sp?) speaking of course, but they are small).

Just because I'm a hardcore CSS person... just wanted to show you guys something...

http://darkwulf.halomx.com/OMGN-proto/

The header is currently missing because this was a proof-of-concept more than an actual production ready site. Lets just say that I drew it out with tables and in CSS. CSS code ended up much smaller, and is much easier to maintain. If you look at the CSS coding, the content windows and nav menus are wrapped in individual divs (for extra yummy taste). To create a new content box, instead of making another messy table CSS does all the work. So the code looks like:

PHP Code:


		
			
<div class="content">

<h1>This is a Header</h1>

This is all the purty content</div>

Similar idea for the nav menus.

OK, that was very offtopic.

Anyway, I don't understand the blatant table (EDIT: ... frames.) bashing. People still make those menus that scroll with you that take up room. I've made sites all in frames that didn't really look like they were frames. I will admit that they take up alot of room, but then again, I have rarely see sites without massive banners at the very top just to remind you where you are... So that arguement is fairly specious. Further, getting stuff to fit in 800x600 is fairly easy both with CSS/tables, so... erm yah. lol. Width doesn't do much to text, because a paragraph that is long enough will wrap no matter how cool you are. :D

BTW: Frames? Mozilla? what? They conflict? lol.