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WakeZero 12-03-2003 13:03

Arizona Regional
 
This regional looks like it is going to be a great one guys, I can't wait to see you all there! I have wanted AZ to have it's own regional since I started participating in FIRST a little over 3 years ago, and for it to finally be here is amazing :D

Good luck to everyone this weekend, I hope we have some good clean, intense competition :yikes:

Billius 12-03-2003 19:41

I'm just so psyched to be at the very first one in AZ!

WakeZero 14-03-2003 22:46

After the first day, all I can say is WOW! High score so far is 322 (QP), I don't remember who it was. The usual suspects (king of the hill bots) are pretty effective... HOWEVER... NO ONE can secure the ENTIRE ramp. This has made things very interesting, and I am expecting to see this be impossible at Nats too. It all comes down to autonomous modes people... GET IT WORKING ;)

Great jobs to all the teams out there, the competition has been great. To be ranked 7 right now among such great teams makes me very ecstatic. It all doesn't matter though, we can break down tomorrow and I would still be as jubilant as I am right now:

Rookie All Star Award is all I REALLY wanted :D

BionicAlumni 14-03-2003 23:05

Congrats to wake zero and team 1011 on the rookie all star. You guys totally deserve it and did VERY well today.

Was it me or were you the only AZ team to walk away with hardware from the first day awards?

Guess we will see how it all plays out tomorrow.

Cory 14-03-2003 23:10

anyone have standings from AZ?

Cory

FotoPlasma 14-03-2003 23:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Cory
anyone have standings from AZ?

Cory

http://www2.usfirst.org/2003comp/eve.../teamrank.html

KenL's being a good boy, and updating.

:)

We love you, Ken.

Don Knight 14-03-2003 23:21

AZ Standings
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cory
anyone have standings from AZ?

Cory

Cory,
The standings are available on the FIRST website under regional events, arizona regional, standings...

FIRST is doing a much better job keeping the website updated with scores and standings.

Joe Ross 14-03-2003 23:27

These are some of the awards that were handed out tonight, which I received second hand.

Imagery: 207
Controls: 192
Judges: 874 (becasue they are an extremely small school in an area with virtually no technology)
rookie: 1011
222 also won an award, but I don't know what it was.

There were more awards given out, but these were all I got.

BionicAlumni 14-03-2003 23:29

222 won team spirit

WakeZero 15-03-2003 07:29

Ty very much! Todays awards (Sat) should bring some more AZ team awards though, and there is still a LOT of qualifying matches to get through (3 per team) :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally posted by BionicAlumni
Congrats to wake zero and team 1011 on the rookie all star. You guys totally deserve it and did VERY well today.

Was it me or were you the only AZ team to walk away with hardware from the first day awards?

Guess we will see how it all plays out tomorrow.


Chris Hibner 15-03-2003 11:28

Truck Town
 
Was Truck Town Thunder allowed to keep their entire robot, or were they forced to remove parts of the arms?

Gope 15-03-2003 14:54

How is team 980 doing? I heard they hit the stacks incredibly fast.



ALso, what was the rulling on team 68 and their arms?

Joe Ross 15-03-2003 18:27

My source told me that truck town did not have their bar blockers.

Some awards from today, relayed second hand and now done by memory. standard disclaimers apply.

Sportsmanship: 60
Industrial Design: 330
Engineering Inspiration: 294
Chairmans: 234
website: 234
animation: 192

Winning alliance: 968, 606, (460)?. 8th alliance (11th seed)
finalist: 192, 330, 989. 7th seed

great to see the underdogs win.

hopefully some of the local teams can fill in the rest of the details

Stephen Kowski 15-03-2003 19:26

Now all we need is some pics.....

Lord Fett 15-03-2003 20:42

Re: Truck Town
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Chris Hibner
Was Truck Town Thunder allowed to keep their entire robot, or were they forced to remove parts of the arms?
They were not allowed to fully extend their arms to block the side bar areas. The ruling was that you are not allowed to use the field to brace yourself against other robots.

Redhead Jokes 16-03-2003 01:38

Team 698 won 294's Gracious Professionalism Award! They were the only team nominated 3xs. Great job!

Eismann 16-03-2003 18:26

Truck Towns Arms
 
We were not forced to take them off by the officals we elected to take them because we felt that we didn't need them. The robot is better with out them we feel.

I would also like to congratulate the winners of the awards and the overall comp.

Travis Covington 16-03-2003 21:07

Ill try and get some pics up in the next few days...

Not alot of competition action (too busy in the pits) But i got some nice pretty close ups of some of the big name teams...hehe

Ill try and get em up quick..

TC

Koci 16-03-2003 21:23

i guess we've been forgotten...

team 624 won the delphi's driving tomorrow's technology award

Eismann 16-03-2003 21:29

I took like 400 some pictures. If there is any robot you want to see I can get you the picture.

Ryan Dognaux 16-03-2003 21:32

No one was forgotten.. I think it's just in the crazyness of it all, we all get worked up over our own awards, or ones that just come to mind. I'd like to congratulate every team there for making the Arizona regional what it was - amazing. Even if you didn't win an award, it doesn't matter, it seems like the majority was having a good time and learning some things, becoming excited.. and that's what it's all about right there. Awards are only a small part of FIRST and it's what you do outside the competition arena that counts. Thanks and congrats to everyone!

DougHogg 16-03-2003 21:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Gope
How is team 980 doing? I heard they hit the stacks incredibly fast.

We won 9 out of our 11 qualifying rounds and made it to the semi-finals.

Our arm did very well for the most part, and I think everyone would agree that we were fastest to the bins.

Late in the qualifying rounds, several enterprising teams gave us some trouble in two matches by using bins to block our autonomous arm lift and rotation. Once this caused our arm to hit the lexan wall and just hung there. We reprogrammed the arm, but later had a broken drill motor transmission. Our arm swung out and stopped right at the bins in the semi-finals. There were some tense moments as we tried to stow the arm and make sure it didn't go out of bounds.

Saturday, we won the Motorola Quality Technical Award which qualifies us for the Nationals. We were pretty jazzed about that. Now we just have to do some major fundraising. If we pull it off, it will be pretty intense leaving for the nationals 4 days after the S. California Regional.

DougHogg 16-03-2003 22:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Koci
i guess we've been forgotten...

team 624 won the delphi's driving tomorrow's technology award

Your team was the only one that I saw build a 4 stack that was still standing at the end of the match, and you then made it to the top of the ramp. Wow!

Collin Fultz 16-03-2003 22:31

234's flail is sped up and works beautifully and no legal box placement can stop it. we also won 9 of 11.

Matt Brinza 16-03-2003 22:37

Congrats to team 980! You certainly have made a great deal of progress, and I look forward to seeing you at Nationals again.

David Brinza 16-03-2003 22:46

Thanks, Matt.

Coming from a Team 16 member, your congratulations mean even more...

Can't wait to see you in a ThunderBots' shirt in Houston!

Daniel Brim 17-03-2003 00:02

A question for 968... to get the outriggers on, were they just attached or did you have two robots? For those who weren't there, 968 had a stacking attachment of Thursday and changed to the outrigger design on Friday.

sanddrag 17-03-2003 00:18

I really don't know how 980 got so much into their robot. That giant pole, two drivetrains, and a stacker that can also push. Wow.

David Brinza 17-03-2003 00:36

Quote:

Originally posted by sanddrag
I really don't know how 980 got so much into their robot. That giant pole, two drivetrains, and a stacker that can also push. Wow.
Some intense brainstorming, some of the most knowledgeable engineers and dedicated students (all apparently allergic to sleep) you would ever want to work with, a specialty machine shop partner and pixie dust to lighten the robot.


We wanted a robot capable of all aspects of the game, we just couldn't figure out how to get all of that under the bar!!

Travis Covington 17-03-2003 01:53

Quote:

A question for 968... to get the outriggers on, were they just attached or did you have two robots? For those who weren't there, 968 had a stacking attachment of Thursday and changed to the outrigger design on Friday.
The wings and 4-bar stacking arms are all connected with clevis pins and quick disconnects pneumatic and electrical connectors. On Friday we did a lot...changed sprockets twice, redid wiring, removed the 4-bar, added lead weights, etc etc etc.

We can remove the wings and put the 4-bar back on at any time. That’s why some of you noticed 5 speed controllers. 2 of them are for the fisher price motors that raise/lower the arms.

The 4-Bar might get put back on in LA with some other minor changes. We would love to be able to stack, but our drivers are just not comfortable enough to stack effectively in competition. Hopefully with the parts we are making in these next few days we will be even more competitive in LA (hint: more motors, more speeds)

The autonomous mode should work as well (we had a few bugs and it rarely would work) we should also be able to have both the wings and the 4-bar and still be under weight.

**Just a side note to all of those people curious about our engineering efforts and team organization. We have 1 main advisor, Bob Anderson, who is the teacher at West Covina HS. Him along with Kirk Oden, and Myself are the only advisors that are on this team. We have no engineering help. Kirk and myself are the only “engineers” on our team. Our ‘engineering’ status comes from only 2 years as mechanical engineering majors and 4 years on each of our previous teams (Kirk with 4 years on Woodside team 100 and myself at Monta Vista team 115) I wouldn’t call ourselves engineers quite yet.

This is our second year with this team. We started it last year with the help of Bob and Scott McElroy. We have no mills, lathes, machine tools, and limited access to the woodshop. The robot we had in competition was made almost entirely by a horizontal band saw, drill press and aprox. 10 hours on a mill or lathe for the wheel blocks, plugs for the 4-bar, and a few misc. pieces that required a mill.

We have recently found a machine shop class and enrolled in it (primarily for machine tool access) and will be fabricating a few new *secret* parts before the deadline this Wednesday. I think these parts will help us have an edge at competition in LA.

ChrisWilson 17-03-2003 02:00

Quote:

Originally posted by DougHogg
Late in the qualifying rounds, several enterprising teams gave us some trouble in two matches by using bins to block our autonomous arm lift and rotation.
Yeah, that's the one problem with the autonomous code. It gets thrown off when someone stacks boxes in your way or runs into you *hint hint* Seriously though, it was an awsome bot design and worked very well when we weren't trying to mess it up for ya :D Congratulations, and we hope to play with ya again next year.

Lindy 17-03-2003 02:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Travis Covington
The autonomous mode should work as well (we had a few bugs and it rarely would work)

What? I told you before, Travis, my code is rock-solid! It's all the hardware's fault. Trust me.


Ahem. Yes, I tried to say that with a straight face.

Honestly, it was almost nerve-wrackingly brutal there. I barely had enough time between matches to tween the code, and the robot practically went in with broken autonomous code for several matches. And the scary part is that after three days of mental and physical exhaustion, I'm still not sure what went wrong and why (it seemed to work fine in testing and skirmishes). I'm almost starting to regret my choice of autonomous code implementation.

Although, bugs can be a good thing: In an elimination match, the robot accidentally knocked over one of the opponents' multiplier stack with a misbegotten autonomous mode. It was unexpected, but not unappreciated.

Regardless, in the end, everything turned out well for us. All I know is that I don't want to see a line of any code for a very good long time (I'm removing compilers from my machine as we speak). I'm sure many feel the same way with the physical aspects of the robot.

Oh wait. I fogot about LA. Wah! I want my blankie.


Anyway, big thanks to team 606 and 460 for the alliance team-up and congratulations to all teams that competed there.

Travis Covington 17-03-2003 02:42

well... okay fine

There were no bugs, the "hardware" drove itself into the side barrier. Ill agree on that one ;)

on a side note, the computer we did all the updated programs on was stolen along with the dewalt tool kit this morning from kirks truck, sucks to be us.

looks like our programmer is gonna be having some fun fixing up that auto code before LA ;)

But we do have to give lindy some credit, it DID work a few times and was quite successful.

Now we just need to make it bullet-proof so when we increase speed to 15fps it will still go where it is supposed to.

TC

Redhead Jokes 17-03-2003 03:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken L on another thread
Team 481 De Anza High School recorded all the matches, and is in the process of digitizing them. It should be done in a few days, and I will talk to them about publishing them.

I know they were planning on making copies for teams at the Sacramento.

Will Arizona be doing the same?

DougHogg 17-03-2003 03:23

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisWilson
Yeah, that's the one problem with the autonomous code. It gets thrown off when someone stacks boxes in your way or runs into you *hint hint* Seriously though, it was an awsome bot design and worked very well when we weren't trying to mess it up for ya :D Congratulations, and we hope to play with ya again next year.
You are right. I had forgotten about that. Team 962 is to be congratulated. That match was our first loss (of two) in the qualifying rounds. I surmise that being teamed up with us and winning in match 17 might have helped you to come up with that strategy. Good job. See you in Arizona again next year.

Danaca 17-03-2003 11:01

Video?
 
Someone is talking about publishing video of the matches? Awesome. I have checked all of our cameras, but for some reason no one filmed the final match, match 102, where we managed to complete the 6-stack.

sanddrag 17-03-2003 11:05

Re: Video?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Danaca
Someone is talking about publishing video of the matches? Awesome. I have checked all of our cameras, but for some reason no one filmed the final match, match 102, where we managed to complete the 6-stack.
We may have that. Let us get back to you in about a week or so.

GilAlumniMegs 17-03-2003 11:51

I'd like to say thanks to Team 68 and 60 for picking us for the elimination rounds. Both of you guys looked awesome out there and it was truly an honor for you guys to pick us, especially as a rookie team. I love you guys! Also, I'd like to congratulate Team 812! You guys totally deserved your award and we are so proud of you! And as far as GRT and Beach Bots go, I'm so happy that you went on to take second place. You really deserved it!

Ken Leung 17-03-2003 11:55

Quote:

Originally posted by Redhead Jokes
Will Arizona be doing the same?
Caroline from GRT brought a VCR to tape the FIRST feed, and all the vhs tapes are now back at California, and copies will be made. I believe I can get some of them to be sent off to SOAP to get digitized, or to De Anza High School. I will get back to you in a day or two.

Redhead Jokes 17-03-2003 12:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Ken L
Caroline from GRT brought a VCR to tape the FIRST feed, and all the vhs tapes are now back at California, and copies will be made. I believe I can get some of them to be sent off to SOAP to get digitized, or to De Anza High School. I will get back to you in a day or two.
Thank you so much. Our 10yo programmer and videographer has to put a video project together very soon for his school. His mom emailed me, "He confirmed what Nick knew: there were 'issues' with the feeds for videotaping, thus the taping of the first day came out all red and probably unusable. We weren't the only team to setup a VCR and not get a recording because of this feed problem."

She asked me to see what we could do.

BTW, our high school videographer was not a member of our team, joined us in AZ as a favor to my daughter, our team's captain. He is from another school, who doesn't yet have a robotics' team. He was so impressed by the whole experience, here's what he emailed me,

"Ms. Miller, I heard you were the one in charge of publications and I told Angela that I really love to do that stuff and she told me that you would love someone to help you out in that area. If you need any help I would love to help the team by helping you. I have a couple ideas you can do for publicity for your sponsors and would like to help you with the overall look of the teams information.

I also wanted to thank you for the opporitunity to film the Phoenix Regional. I had a great experience meeting the team and learn what robotics was all about, community. Without community, there is no team, and without a team, there is no robot, and without a robot there is no robotics. Thank you again for the chance to meet such an influential team.
Sincerely,
Nick Shepard"

He then asked if he could join our team. YES!!! (We have a 10yo programming whiz, 2 8th graders, 2 members from Peninsula High who wouldn't get a team off the ground, and now North High Videographer Nick. Our hope is this will motivate more local schools to start teams.)

Thank you AZ for helping other parents and students too on our team realize that the FIRST program is not only about building a robot. They were very impressed with the community and spirit.

Ryan Dognaux 17-03-2003 18:32

Thanks to 962 for our victory over one of the toughest teams at the AZ regional - 980. Good job on your arm guys, I was really amazed... it's insanely fast... I think anyone who took a risk and went w/ an arm-like device meant to knock over the stacks should be commended. Great job, and to all the teams - cool bots. Some that just come off the top of my head are 192... 696... 68... I could probably go on forever... anyways, great regional!:D

Oh yeah, LONG LIVE SCOUTING!

sanddrag 17-03-2003 18:59

Quote:

Originally posted by AnimeRaul234
... 696...
Whoo hoo! That's us! We're remembered! We're remembered!

Those attending LA watch out. Fear 696. Those who were at Phoenix can certify our domination.

Quote:

And 696 shatters yet another tote!
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The 696 Circuit Breakers are really breaking those circuits folks!
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696 has just swept the field clean and is doing the Happy Dance on top of the platform. This could be one of the highest scoring matches so far!

DougHogg 17-03-2003 19:38

Quote:

Originally posted by AnimeRaul234
Thanks to 962 for our victory over one of the toughest teams at the AZ regional - 980. Good job on your arm guys, I was really amazed... it's insanely fast... I think anyone who took a risk and went w/ an arm-like device meant to knock over the stacks should be commended. Great job, and to all the teams - cool bots. Some that just come off the top of my head are 192... 696... 68... I could probably go on forever... anyways, great regional!:D

Oh yeah, LONG LIVE SCOUTING!

Thanks for the complement. Your team was one of the toughest also. Good strategy in that match.

Since we competed twice and won a match each, I guess we will have to call it a draw.

It was definitely exciting to see the two arms swing at those bins simultaneously.

By the way, I noticed some enhancements to your performance as the competition progressed. The last time I saw your arm in action, it was very impressive. Looked like you got about 20 bins.

It would be great to see an arm robot in the finals at the Championships, yours or ours or maybe one of those other "arms" robots out there.

Good luck,

Dave_222 17-03-2003 23:33

Well dave is back on the east coast where he belongs and the Az regional was great thanks to 696 for picking us and that was a tuff break with that flag.

sanddrag 18-03-2003 00:08

Quote:

Originally posted by Dave_222
Well dave is back on the east coast where he belongs and the Az regional was great thanks to 696 for picking us and that was a tuff break with that flag.
Yeah well with the score being 22 to 49, even had the flag not broken we still would have lost. It was ashame our other partner 987 got flipped but they put up a great fight. You know on the bus ride back we figured out that if we made our score zero in that last match we would have made it to the finals. This was becuase we would have ended up with more QP's than them in the end. Just another strange twist to FIRST. Nice job being our partner Tigertrons; you did grrrrreat!

Dave_222 18-03-2003 00:37

Yeah we would have won but at what cost, shuting ourselves out just to win eh what ever i don't really care i just got home it is 12:30 and i need sleep thanks again though and you guys really do have a tuff little robot.

Travis Covington 18-03-2003 01:23



thanks teams 460 and 606!! great job!!

Bob A 18-03-2003 01:27

THANK YOU ARIZONA for an outstanding competition!!! All day Friday I kept telling people how well organized things were, how smooth things were going (but then again, I was rather oblivious to most of the event!), but mostly how incredibly nice everyone was in Phoenix! Even when things didn't happen the way we would have liked them to, it was still the BEST COMPETITION I have been to! Everyone who helped is to be congratulated.

I want to especially thank the machine shop crew! They went way above and beyond by putting up us being their own personal pests, while never seeming to tire or complain, and doing this while turning out massive amounts of quality work. You guys are incredible!!! Thanks George and all the rest (whose names I can't remember).

Also, I have to thank teams 606 and 460 for their heroic efforts to make us all look good. Honestly, ...we could not have picked better partners (or people who could eat more ice cream) than you! We are truly honored that you accepted our invite. We owe
it all to you. Best of luck at the next comp, and (maybe!) we'll see you in Texas...if we can find a whole lot of $$$ real fast!

Our biggest thanks has to go out to Travis Covington and Kirk Oden - our engineers, mentors, inspiration, and encouragement. As I have told both of you many times, YOU are the reason that we have a moving robot at all! For those who don't know these guys, they are both college soph.s at Cal Poly Pomona, CA, who spend every spare minute (and more!) helping to teach and educate us. Their attitudes, ideas, and demand for perfection have challenged us and helped us to understand "gracious professionalism" as a way of life, not just an action. I could never tell you how much you mean to the team and myself! Thank you.

Finally, to all the other teams that participated in the 1st Arizona Regional Competition, THANK YOU for the continuous gracious professionalism that you showed throughout the three days. No matter what the circumstances, students and adults acted graciously to all others. And as always, many teams went out of their way to help whenever anyone who asked for assistance. FIRST is an concept to most people out their. Continue to spread the word!

Thanks Arizona, teams 606 and 460, Travis and Kirk, the other 34 teams, and team 968 for an unforgettable experience.

SteveO 18-03-2003 01:31

getting flipped
 
yeah man that was a fluke... I can't believe we got flipped. We had an awesome time though. We must have broke like 6 robots while participating :D

David Brinza 18-03-2003 10:23

Terrific job by the volunteers and teams in AZ!!

The many volunteers deserve special thanks for making the AZ regional a success. Wendy Wooten and some members of Chatsworth (Team 22) made the trek from LA just to help make things run smoothly. They deserve special thanks.

Team 698 also provided a great deal of volunteer support to the event. It's unfortunate that their volunteers' efforts are overshadowed by some other action by their team. I do want their volunteers to know that their work was important and very much appreciated.

There were many awesome teams and very exciting matches played in AZ. The variety of both robots and team strategies is a testament to the ingenuity of the students and mentors. I was amazed at the speed of the Team 60 robot. It got up the ramp as fast as our arm could swing around to hit the bins. We had them on the top of our alliance "pick list" - great robot from a great team!

We learned a lot as a team in AZ. We hope to make a strong showing in both LA and Houston. If we are successful at those events, it would be due in part to the experience we gained in Phoenix.

Thanks again to all who made the AZ regionals a big success!!

Redhead Jokes 06-04-2003 10:43

Team 294 gave GP award to 698

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