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FIRST has long encouraged public figures, corporate heads, and even members of the government to events. This is no different. Every person has a right to be there! This is our future we're talking about! Racism, prejudice, and injustice have nothing to do with FIRST events. So let's let this be - he was there, showing his support for the FIRST community... and let's leave it at that. |
People have been complaining a lot about the degredation of the quality of both FIRST and CD for a while now. As Mike Martus pointed out earlier, this thread could be an excellent place for CD users to show that they do value the quality of CD and have the ability to self-govern. However, that doesn't seem to be happening, even after Brandon, whose word you all should take as Gospel when it comes to CD, made the same request, it was ignored as quickly as the original request.
As Wetzel said earlier, there is nothing preventing you from continuing this debate outside of CD. There are plenty of options out there for discussion. Please people, don't force this thread to be closed forcefully. Do it yourselves. |
I think this thread has shown alot of restraint, especially for such a controversial topic. If you would like to see the boards do some self-governing, fine, but having every other post be someone saying that nobody else should post here seems a bit... counterproductive.
That being said, i'll chime in on the discussion. ;) People that know me will recall this statement i'm about to make. I often make it in most discussions on stereotypes, and discrimination in general. Humans evolved with the innate ability to discern between "its gonna eat me" and "yummy" - that is, its in our nature to categorize things. Race is no different. We naturally categorize "us" and "them." As long as there is no bigger threat, the "them" will always be among humans, and discrimination/stereotypes cannot be prevented. Hell, I admit, I stereotype alot - asians are bad drivers (guilty as charged,) people you run into in a dark alley at 0300 hours are not to be trusted, etc. It's a human instinct - we use it to protect ourselves. If you're robbed 5 times in a row by a monkey, next time you meet a monkey, you're going to be a bit cautious. Likewise if you hear about people getting robbed by monkeys on the radio. Anyway, I guess the whole point of this schpleel is that humans are naturally segregationist. There will always be people who are more advantaged, and people who are less advantaged. It's up to us to overcome that natural instinct and help eachother as much as possible. I recently recieved a $100 scholarship from a society of chinese engineers in the bay area. (not too much money, but it looks good on my college application :D) Was the scholarship racist? Hell yeah. Not only that, it only looked at children of the members of the organization. This was a bad example, but what i'm saying is that scholarships have nothing to do with equality. It's about giving away free money. And about Jesse Jackson. Who cares? A democratic senator came to SVR, and not only that, she SPOKE at it. Does that mean all the republicans in FIRST go off spouting about how FIRST is a liberal organization and for the sake of the country we should all stop doing it? No. Alright. I'm done. Just wanted to get a post in before they ACTUALLY closed the thread. ;) |
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Being a Libertarian, I don't necessarily agree with her ideas, but I do not mind the fact that she was there. I believe that most people understood that and I have not seen anything about it. |
First of all, after reading only the first page of posts, i am extremely appaled to hear the "poor white kid" rant going on. I am middle class and am going to college next year, and have had to find the scholarships that will enable me to do that. To say that giving minorities scholarships is the only way they will succeed in life is to stereotype them in a very unfair way. If you deserve it, then you deserve it. Maybe the sponsoring companies have certain affiliations that require them to reach out to minority groups. And on the Jesse Jackson subject... to call him scum is extreme.. and to say that he was unneeded there is to deny him of a right we give in this country. I happen to be white and I have an extreme amount of respect for the man. I would much rather listen to him speak passionately and charismatically about something than to get a sermon from president Bush. Last year at Nationals Jeb Bush showed up. I wasn't too happy, but I didn't complain. I think that people need to give it up and realize that not everything will go their way and not everyone is a conservative Republican. We have rights in this country and no one should be denied of those.
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Everyone is talking about 'rights'.
I suggest you read this before you talk about what rights a person has or does not have. Wetzel ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "all Men are created equal" |
By FIRST rules, it is his right to be there.
By law, it is FIRST's right to kick him off. |
There goes the whole 'self-moderating' idea Mr. Martus had.
Just to throw my last opinion into the fry here, it is up to the instatution offering the scolarship, not FIRST, who gets it. If they want more hispanics, then sure, give them to hispanics. It's their money and it's up to them. If you wanted to give it to white WASPs, then go ahead. And if you are complaning here, then you should be greatful. Less that 2% of the world has acess to the internet. Your already very privaledged. I see this topic as more of a 'why can't I have it' then FIRST acually going down the drain. Geez, the sky really isn't falling. |
DIE! EVIL THREAD! DIE!!!!
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As you (and many others) wish.
Everybody has made themselves heard. Thanks. |
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