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Etbitmydog 11-05-2003 00:16

Is it me, but wouldnt this just defeat the purpose of a regional? I mean you are having competitions that build up to the big competition. Why have regionals to go to nationals, then super nationals. Nationals would just be a really big regional called nationals. Call it super regional and people might think differently about the idea of 2 super regionals.
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Anyways, we all know 2 nationals and then another national will never happen though. Why bring it up?

E. The Kidd 11-05-2003 00:16

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Originally posted by Pin Man
This kind of makes me sad... I see people talking about Nationals and all and then I read that people think that you should have to win regionals and all that to make it to Nationals... I think we still need to realize that FIRST is not about winning its about learning and having fun doing what you like to do...
Then maybe the question now should be "is there really a need for nationals?" Being that FIRST is about the learning and winning isn't important since we're all winners, why do we need a big competition to prove that?

GregTheGreat 16-05-2003 21:20

I think that we definitely need the nationals. Without them I believe that many people would feel as if there was no determined winner. We're not in elementary school anymore; face the facts. In real life there are winners and losers. This is just another of FIRST's many lessons that they teach us.

Good luck to everyone at the invitationals.

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Originally posted by E. The Kidd
Then maybe the question now should be "is there really a need for nationals?" Being that FIRST is about the learning and winning isn't important since we're all winners, why do we need a big competition to prove that?

Madison 16-05-2003 22:00

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Originally posted by GregTheGreat
I think that we definitely need the nationals. Without them I believe that many people would feel as if there was no determined winner. We're not in elementary school anymore; face the facts. In real life there are winners and losers. This is just another of FIRST's many lessons that they teach us.

Good luck to everyone at the invitationals.

Perhaps the point is that it may be advantageous to FIRST to de-emphasize the "winning" aspect of the competition by eliminating the singular Championship event.

It would certainly send a message.

As I've probably said two hundred thousand times by now, so much about FIRST is about changing our culture. Saying, "Well, that's how things are," lacks vision and indicates that you're perfectly happy working within the constructs of today's culture.

I understand that not everyone involved in FIRST has the need, want, or ability to envision a new, exciting culture in future generations, but it seems like such an enormous waste of potential to try to make FIRST operate within the confines of society. We're supposed to be breaking down the barriers society erects, after all.

GregTheGreat 17-05-2003 18:40

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Originally posted by M. Krass
Perhaps the point is that it may be advantageous to FIRST to de-emphasize the "winning" aspect of the competition by eliminating the singular Championship event.

It would certainly send a message.

As I've probably said two hundred thousand times by now, so much about FIRST is about changing our culture. Saying, "Well, that's how things are," lacks vision and indicates that you're perfectly happy working within the constructs of today's culture.

I understand that not everyone involved in FIRST has the need, want, or ability to envision a new, exciting culture in future generations, but it seems like such an enormous waste of potential to try to make FIRST operate within the confines of society. We're supposed to be breaking down the barriers society erects, after all.

I would agree that it is not all about winning. When we make our robot we are learning about FIRST, the same as we do at the events. I know that FIRST is about learning, but without a set winner you are saying, that in life there are not real winners and loser's, which we all know is a lie. I think that by first having a nationals they are teaching us early that there are determined winner's and losers.

Our team was coming of back to back championships, but what did they say about this year. We went out there, did our best and still learned. It doesn't matter what place you come in, what matters is what you learn. That is what first is all about.

Good Luck to everyone at the invitationals.


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