MELEE !!!!!
 

There should be forum just dedicated to those hard core arguement winners that way u can MELEE !!!! ( I love that word ) and fight with it no innocent by standers getting hurt by sharp words and starbucks driven fits

hahaha even FIRST needs people that can jump the gun

Dont regret what you Say just regret what it causes

:cool:

and oh yeah the forum idea hahah it was just a ramdom thought


::: Bored :::::rolleyes:

Simply put a debate shouldn't involve a fight with anyone getting hurt ... an argument should be a clearly thought out and logical statement that includes some evidence and an assumption. Not to take this too seriously, but it seems that a lot of people (here and elsewhere) can't effectively (read intelligently) argue. Any "attack" in a debate doesn't further your case. Ad hominem attacks are a logical fallacy. A "melee" shouldn't describe a debate; intelligent people are perfectly capable of expressing themeselves with differing opinions and walking away unscathed. Insults or hurtful statements don't make arguments; that you may or may not be <insert bad name here> is independent of the validity of what you say. And anyone who describes themselves as an "argument winner" is most likely someone who is more prone to repeating themselves louder and louder than making any actual point -- by which I mean everyone can be wrong; usually there isn't always a right or clear cut answer and the person that can't understand this and just yells until someone calls him the winner is in error.

I'm sorry (:)), but I can't agree with you here either. Perhaps an example will help. If I make a religious statement and a person of another religion takes offense, ought I regret that? I think that if you say something you believe in you should stand behind it and not shrink away, regardless of its effects. Here's a better example. President Clinton lied to the American people. Should he regret that he lied ... or merely the fact that it *caused* a scandel for him (should the thief be sorry for what he did, or because he got caught).

But regret aside ... I think the important thing is to learn from your past mistakes. Realize that what you say can be damaging and you should be careful with your words. That brings to mind another politically charged example :) How about the dixie chicks? They seem not to regret what they said; only what it caused. To me that doesn't seem right.

Am I the only one that thinks him calling himself an idiot is a bit harsh? I read his post in the thread listed here and it didn't sound so horrible. He wasn't promoting the killing of babies or anything of that nature. What *was* so wrong with what he said?

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Well, there do seem to be a lot of posts I wasn't aware of. So I understand where everyone was comping from... but the point still stands. Yes, I know he called himself an idiot; I can't help but think it was due to outside motivation, however; further it was seconded by others. I just think enlightenment as opposed to insults is the path to take. But now I understand where the sentiment comes from.
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Is it thought he doesn't have a clear understanding of gracious profesionalism (from what I gather)? Well, is the solution to call him an idiot and hope he doesn't come back? I hope not.

I think it has something to do with his history of posting seemingly brash and arrogant things.

But, I do agree the solution is not to call him an idiot and ban him from the forums. He called himself an idiot, and said himself he wouldn't post for a while, though. If you read this, Ricksta121, don't feel shunned by these boards, just post responsibly, and you'll make a lot of friends.

Stephen

u took it to much for its face value ... think about this.. y wouldnt u regret wut u said ? simple hahaha cause u didnt say anything wrong cuz, cuz if u take the advice u thought ahead u knew its consequences u think before u speak u know the impact of the words so u best not say them ... cause no one should regret wut they meant but they should regret wut it does to other people

simple note hahahaha dont ever be wrong .... so think before YOU SPEAK

since that is way toooo hard to do all the time then lets MELEE!!!!!

Hey guys. You just turned someone's apology thread into something else. That's not cool. If you want to argue with each other, start your own thread doing that. Don't ruin someone trying to do something right after realizing what he done is wrong.

Enough is enough.

I agree with Ken 100%...

Yeah ken
 

good call.. yeah sorry about that just putting in my two cents

but got more than i bargained for:D

One of the first lessons I was taught as a high school student on my team is that what you do and say when you are wearing a team shirt (or representing yourself as a member of your team by, for instance, noting a team # here) will reflect back on not only yourself but your entire team, especially the bad stuff. Therefore, it's important that if you respect your teammates, you realize this and act appropriately. As a driver for 4 years, this was stressed because the stage crew typically had the highest interaction with other teams as well were often the most recognizable faces from the team due to being on stage all the time. It was a lesson I took to heart because I didn't want my actions to ever cause anyone or any team to look badly on my team, and it is a lesson I work to practice today.

I respect Ricksta for his apology to people on this forum. I agree with everyone's right to argue and have opinions (I'm big on this :P) however, I know at times I've seen some of the posts as harsh and arrogant and I've had to work very hard not to attach those comments to the whole team. 121 is a good team that 190 is proud to maintain a good working relationship with, but it isn't always easy for me to seperate the comments.

In any case, I urge everyone to think about what they post, say and do and how that will reflect on not only yourself but the team you represent. It will help you focus what you do while hopefully not burning any bridges or causing hard feelings. And if you see someone on your team acting in a manner you think is inappropriate, approach them immediately and discuss it rather than just letting it pass, because it eventually does weigh heavily on your team.

Just something to keep in mind, because many lessons can be learned from these incidents :)

(And let's keep in clean at Mayhem ;-))

I agree, and so does 229.

Your whole post was very well written Colleen. That is exactly how I feel. Thank you.

PS - I've met Rick a few times in person, and he's really a very nice guy. Don't judge people strictly based on these forums.

well said
 

indeed... i dont see how can anyone automatically assume wut anyone says reflect anyones else opinion but his/her own

and (im also big on it ) im all for people saying wut they want lol as long as wut they want to say isnt hurtful or arrogant hahaha ya know but if its gonna be that way then keep its with people that enjoy a good "argument " even if its just yelling lol no to productive but seems like sometimes necessary and even a bit fun for some people


So if some says something that shouldn't be posted because its sounds like fighting words just tell them " HEY THAT BELONGS IN THE MELEE FORUM" :D

Re: well said
 

Hmmm... the melee forum... I like that idea. We seem to be in need of a place like that... or maybe restraint and thinking before you speak.

indeed
 

very true....:rolleyes:

But i wonder... as supression and restraint ever been the answer to anything?

Re: indeed
 

But is a "melee forum" the answer? Yes, I know it was a joke... but I think too many threads would belong in such a forum, based on their "fighting words"

People are good
 

nah i dont think so ... i think most CDer out there deserve alil more credit than that ... as far as i see most threads get thru fine with out any bashing of any kind ... most people are on here for info ... because there bored ... because its fun .. and becasue its FIRST hahaha .. im sure there would be few threads in a Melee forum and infact as time goes on i belive it be less and less people ..

But thats just me:D

I've also had some opportunities to talk to the members of team 121, mainly Kyle. He's a very nice guy and shouldn't be judged by his posts on CD. John said it very well. A lot of people are missjudged by the way they post on CD and talk about thier robots. You have to admit, everyone loves to talk highly of thier robot and thier accomplishments.