MSN Gaming Zone has some screwed-up scripting that makes some parts work wrong (you can sort of get in by spoofing your UA string). For the software, it's made to work with IE, and a lot of the commands just don't work with other browsers. Sure, MSN is shutting out other browsers (in fact I, and others, contacted them about their Mozilla support), but it's partially due to the fact that the Zone Software was made to be called up by IE. I used to play Rogue Spear there (and was freakin' good at it), but I had to use IE to get in. My IE desktop shortcut read 'MSN Gaming Zone' for the longest time :) .

Guys - I use IE. So what? Microsoft is the largest software company. They are going to have little errors and can't (better word - won't) support everything. He has to make it to where it's compatible w/ 99% of the stuff out there. So what if people use IE? Does that make them lesser of a human? Bill Gates is just making money off of what he created. A monopoly? Not in my eyes. He created this windows atmosphere (or giant for a nother better word) - so he should be able to run it any way he wants to.

I salute Bill. I wish to create something like he has done, and take a small peace of the American dream. I want to have money coming out of places that I never knew I had.

That is my 02¢

Doesn't this only help Mozilla/Opera/all the other browsers?

As of now, Mozilla and Opera already compare favorably to IE 6. A year and a half after XP came out, only 20-30% of windows users are using it. Thus, people don't upgrade very quickly to a new MS OS. We can assumet that it will be a similar percentage for Longhorn. Thus a year and a half after Longhorn comes out (which is already going to be a long time from now) 80% of windows users will have an obsolete browser. Mozilla and Opera will have had 3 years then to totally obliterate IE6 in features.

I am not surprised at this one bit

They are not only integrating IE but WMP 9, and most of their other applications into the OS.

This is all to set up their next thing called TCPA/Palladium. Now they claim it is trustworthy computing, but I believe it will be the complete opposite.

Palladium is basically software that connects with Fritz chip inside the processor of a windows computer that restricts software and files to whatever the content providers want.

For example, music companies can access your computer and delete a pirated MP3. There are also a bunch of other disturbing things that Palladium can do.

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html (If you want more info)

Anyways Palladium will eventually will hurt competition

Aaggghhhhh... just read the above linked faq on Palladium. Glad I'm not tied to Windoze and Intel....

Anyways, the death of IE as a stand-alone product is not only entirely bringing to fruition all of the claims of the Microsoft Anti-trust suit (bundling/bungling).....it's also really stupid on their part.

All I can see this leading to is people defecting to better alternative browsers and/or better operating systems ... TCPA/Palladium is scary and IE sucks anyhow.

Safari for OS X isn't even out of beta yet and it's by far a better browser than any version of IE that I've ever seen.

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Yep, Safari is on the rise, i hope that Apple will make a port of it to some Non-Mac based Linux/Unix Distros In the Final version.

What's wrong with Konqueror?

Yeah that is the truth about Palladium. I don't think the corporate world has any business on our personal computers. If they want to deal with P2P websites, let them deal on just that.

One example of Palladium that is surfacing very soon is in the next version of Office. You will need to buy a key from Microsoft to un-lock your documents. Thats lame. We shouldn't have to pay more than we have to.

Microsoft always talks about its advantages, like the secure documents with the military, but there will always be third party software that can do the same thing, maybe even better. I think Microsoft might win a couple of companies, but they will lose a lot more customers.

Nothing is wrong with Konqueror/KDE 3.x but it would just be nice to have it available if I ever wanted to use It. I'm not a big fan of Low CPU power at a high cost {Macs}.

I'm not sure I follow you. What does Safari have that Konqueror doesn't? (you do realize that Safari uses Konq's rendering engine, right?)

ah- that i wasnt aware of.
It will still be interesting in the Final version if they add anything special.

I use Safari and i agree with everyone else saying that it is the best browser out there. Gotta love macs. In OS10.3 it should probably change out of beta for a much needed update. But as far as Microsoft not developing anymore updates for IE i don't care at all. In articles i have read the new Mac OS 10.3, thats not out yet, is going to blow XP out of the water. This is not from mac zealot websites but from other computer and tech. magazines. Microsoft might be trying to change this trend around by building the browser into the OS itself.

IE is now Windows only
 

Microsoft just announced the death of IE for the Mac.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?http://www.p...y.php?id=43191

This however is weird because they made IE 6 for MSN for OS X.

I use both Windows and IE. I use it because it is fast, simple, and lets me worry about more important things :yikes:

For those of you who don't understand this, think about it this way. If someone has started out using windows (this is back with 3.1 I remind you) and is used to all the commands, shortcuts etc... why would they want to put forth a lot of effort to convert to another OS when they can both do all the same stuff? Granted, one may do something faster than the other, or be more stable, but unless there is a huge benefit to switching... they wouldn't switch. Likewise, it is the same with internet browsers. I have used IE forever now, and I just don't see any huge reason for me to take the time to install, learn and use a new browser ;)

<ducks from all the flames>

tabs (keeps my taskbar clean...)
popup blocking
same controls as IE (as in keyboard shortcuts are the same, at least for phoenix)
bookmark keywords (i type google search term and up pops the google page for that search term, also have it for webster's dictionary, etc)
faster than IE (though when you get down to it, both are so fast it really doesn't make a difference)
extensions (there are alot. they do alot of different things, no way to describe them all. you get stuff that enables mouse gestures, and other fun stuff. haven't had to hit the back button/backspace for a long time, cuz i can just right then left click quickly.)

neither windows nor IE are "fast, simple" things to use. lol, they're both fairly large, monolithic things. anyway, what is a huge benefit? the switch from IE to phoenix for me was pretty much nonexistant. i downloaded the phoenix file, unzipped it, made a shortcut. they both behave exactly the same for normal browsing, and the extensions will blow your mind.