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Jimbo5051 17-04-2007 07:39

Re: A question about Eminem
 
Such as Dean Kamen

Greg Perkins 20-04-2007 11:00

Re: A question about Eminem
 
I would like to make an honorable mention to Mike Shinoda from Linkin Park; especially when he off-shooted to form Fort Minor. There is a song from "The Rising Tied" called "Kenji", and it's a truly masterpiece that will never be a single. Quite sad really...however, the song is a look back at his grandparents lives, and very very good.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fort Minor
My father came from Japan in 1905
He was 15 when he immigrated from Japan
He, he... he worked until he was able to buy this patch
And build a store

Let me tell you the story in the form of a dream,
I don't know why I have to tell it but I know what it means,
Close your eyes, just picture the scene,
As I paint it for you, it was World War II,
When this man named Kenji woke up,
Ken was not a soldier,
He was just a man with a family who owned a store in LA,
That day, he crawled out of bed like he always did,
Bacon and eggs with wife and kids,
He lived on the second floor of a little store he rented,
He moved to LA from Japan,
They called him 'Immigrant,'
In Japanese, he'd say he was called "Issei,"
That meant 'First Generation In The United States,'
When everyone was afraid of the Germans, afraid of the Japs,
But most of all afraid of a homeland attack,
And that morning when Ken went out on the doormat,
His world went black 'cause,
Right there; front page news,
Three weeks before 1942,
"Pearl Harbour's Been Bombed And The Japs Are Comin',"
Pictures of soldiers dyin' and runnin',
Ken knew what it would lead to,
Just like he guessed, the President said,
"The evil Japanese in our home country will be locked away,"
They gave Ken a couple of days,
To get his whole life packed in two bags,
Just two bags - couldn't even pack his clothes,
Some folks didn't even have a suitcase to pack anything in,
So two trash bags was all they gave them,
When the kids asked "Mom, where are we goin'?"
Nobody even knew what to say to them,
Ken didn't wanna lie, he said "The U.S. is lookin' for spies,
So we have to live in a place called Manzanar,
Where a lot of Japanese people are,"
Stop it, don't look at the gunmen,
You don't wanna get the soldiers wonderin',
If you're gonna run or not,
'Cause if you run then you might get shot,
Other than that try not to think about it,
Try not to worry 'bout it bein' so crowded,
Someday we'll get out, someday, someday...

As soon as war broke out
The G.I. came and they just come to the house and
"You have to come"
"All the Japanese have to go"
They took Mr. Nii
People didn't understand
Why did they have to take him
Because he is just innocent neighbour

So now they're in a town with soldiers surroundin' them,
Every day, every night look down at them,
From watch towers up on the wall,
Ken couldn't really hate them at all;
They were just doin' their job and,
He wasn't gonna make any problems,
He had a little garden with vegetables and fruits,
That he gave to the troops in a basket his wife made,
But in the back of his mind, he wanted his families life saved,
Prisoners of war in their own $@#$@#$@#$@# country,
What for?
Time passed in the prison town,
He wondered if he'd live it down if and when they were free,
The only way out was joinin' the army,
And supposedly, some men went out for the army - signed on,
And ended up flyin' to Japan with a bomb,
That 15 kiloton blast put an end to the war pretty fast,
Two cities were blown to bits; the end of the war came quick,
Ken got out, big hopes of a normal life with his kids and his wife,
But, when they got back to their home,
And what they saw made them feel so alone,
These people had trashed every room,
Smashed in the windows and bashed in the doors,
Written on the walls and the floor,
"Japs not welcome anymore."
And Kenji dropped both of his bags at his sides and just stood outside,
He looked at his wife without words to say,
She looked back at him, wiping the tears away,
And said "Someday we'll be okay, someday,"
Now the names have been changed, but the story's true,
My family was locked up back in '42,
My family was there where it was dark and damp,
And they called it an internment camp

When we first got back from camp... uhh
It was... pretty... pretty bad

I, I remember my husband said
"Are we gonna stay 'til last?"
Then my husband died before they close the camp.


If anybody deserves a nobel prize for wording, I believe this far outweighs Eminem.

CraigHickman 22-04-2007 01:24

Re: A question about Eminem
 
Seconded.

whytheheckme 22-04-2007 22:14

Re: A question about Eminem
 
*Insert Imus Comment Here...*

Seriously though, in my opinion, Mathers (Eminem) has every right to write and sing about whatever he want. People can choose to listen to this. Is it poetry? I don't know. I'm not an english major. I do believe that he should have a shot at the prize, as far as being nominated. Then a council of people will decide as to weather or not he deserves it. I'm not sure that the content of the poetry (if it is even classified as that) as far as political correctness neutrality would detract from his work and the quality of poetry. But again, thats not for me to decide. It just seems that as I look back at great works of literature, I can imagine how controversial and *bad* some of these works must have seemed at the time (example: The Bible). I'm in no way saying that Mathers' work compares to the bible on any level, but I'm simply saying that the level of controversy of great works of literature may have been high at the time they were written. But again, not something for me, or not really anyone who isn't on the council of the Nobel Prize Choosing to decide (again, an opinion.)

This thread is probably dead (2003?), but I just saw it in the portal tonight and read the whole thing, and decided to share my thoughts. Oh well.

98 cents short of a dollar,
Jacob

Jeremiah Johnson 23-04-2007 00:20

Re: A question about Eminem
 
Wow... I wish I would have been involved in this conversation back in '03. I would have been very outspoken against Eminem. He's got poetic talent, but it's used for shameful work. I have everything against nearly all rap artists, especially gangster rap. I do acknowledge that most have lyrical talent, just bad words.

Peace.


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