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jonathan lall 01-09-2003 21:35

A blind people's institute? Then you really have to go for heavily semantic-based pages and _accessibility_. check this out.

Again, semantics will help you out with search engine spiders. things as simple as <h1> tags for titles will let them know what your page is about for example.

robot180 02-09-2003 19:15

New question!
What do I do about putting the site on search engines? Does it cost money or do I just submit the link. I saw a thing in the web shell to submit a link to like google and stuff.

Raven_Writer 02-09-2003 19:17

Quote:

Originally posted by robot180
New question!
What do I do about putting the site on search engines? Does it cost money or do I just submit the link. I saw a thing in the web shell to submit a link to like google and stuff.

Usually just including a META tag will do it sooner or later.

http://www.htmlclinic.com has a good META tag generator.

I might be wrong on this though.

HFWang 03-09-2003 18:43

search engines don't just throw random urls in and hope that a site comes back.

if your site is linked to sites that are linked to, you will get searched


btw: meta tags are semi-useless for actually getting listed/good standing in a search engine. they MIGHT be used as a description of the page, but ultimately, keywords have to be in the content of your document.

compliance is good. because your html is compliant doesn't mean it is necessarily structurally sound and all that, but, heh.

Also, it'd help LOADS if you actually had provided a link so we could go through your source? Anyway, what needs to be said has been said. Validation is not a be all end all. BUT! Validation is good, and so are standards. If it weren't for standards we'd have to go back to code branching and updating multiple pages for each browser. Its a bit hard to get used to coding "properly" but once you learn how (or if you never learnt the "tagsoup" style of HTML in the first place) all of a sudden, everything works, and validation isn't a huge pain.

@adam: a website full of span tags is as bad as a site full of tables. Both are meaningless semantically/structurally. Headings are h1/h2/h3/etc, use <p> for paragraphs, and so on. Spans are just generic containers that don't really hold much value in terms of describing content. Describe the content, and you have style hooks for CSS without having to resort to excessive amounts of classes/IDs

BTW: Isn't ridiculous spelt with an i not an e? :D

robot180 08-09-2003 21:00

I am having some trouble understanding some of this. I interpreted it as saying that I should concentrate on the h1,h2,etc. tags and p tags, but leave out some of the div tags and span tags. I used the div tags though to reposition some stuff on the home page. That is the only place I remember using them. The articles that are on that website are not typed by me. I just put some p and h tags in to make headings, subheadings, and paragraphs from the plain text document of the monthly newsletter. So, anyways, the div and span tags are more for me and for shortcuts to styles, like some of you said.

My webshell has a thing that says to submit a link to search engines. I noticed google and lycos on the list so I might do that, but I wanted to make sure it didn't cost anything and that I don't need coding, like meta tags, for it to work.

HFWang 08-09-2003 21:49

Nice site, a bit on the clean/blocky side, but its easy to read and quick, which I like very much.

A quick glance at your source, I'm willing to say that its fine. It isn't so much that div/span is BAD as it is that you should probably try to use something more appropriate if possible, the way you're using them is fine. (One caveat is assigning stuf like class="left", technically speaking, one day we'll be able to redesign websites by swapping out CSS files, so it would probably be better to use stuff like class="navigation" or class="contentblock" and so on)

BTW: why aren't you linking to an external stylesheet?

robot180 09-09-2003 17:12

Each page in that site does link to an external stylesheet. That is where the tags' styles are defined as well as the classes.

HFWang 09-09-2003 23:15

http://www.spamrobotics.org/ ?

I see a <style type... in the head of your HTML.

BTW: whats with the &middot;'s in your code? whats wrong with using <ul>'s?!

robot180 10-09-2003 14:52

I didn't mean my team's website. I am the web master of the 20/200 Fellowship Organization's website. It is a local organization for me. http://www.20-200fellowship.org/
I put that link above somewhere and I was referring to that.

HFWang 10-09-2003 20:47

oops, owned by my fast reading.

robot180 19-09-2003 18:17

Any more comments would be helpful, especially the negative ones. Thanks.

HFWang 19-09-2003 20:09

colors are a little weird. the green and the grey seem to sort of clash.

the navbar, the grey on grey is a little annoying. also, don't have text become bold, either have it slightly change color or be underlined, and have the underline dissapear, or something.


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