**Fundraising: The Traveling Segway
 

I was inspiried by hearing that some teams were making big bucks giving Segway rides to the public. For some amount (I heard $20) people were given the basic Segway training (a good length of riding). The operating cost: $1.00 of electricity and the time of a few people to run the event. Investment: $4500 in a Segway (although $4000 for the new p series would work as well).

My idea is simply for a bunch of teams to chip in and buy a Segway. Then send the Segway from team to team and each will have an amount of time with it to generate some travel and parts funds.

This would work out best if areas with high concentrations of teams worked together. Shipping 70 pounds around the country can be expensive - however if that's they way it was to go, it would barely cut into the money we could raise.

Eventually the money could be reinvested in more Segways if the demand for it was high enough. Otherwise, it could continually generate a large amount of money for teams (Segways last for many years and it will be a long time before everyone and their friends has one).

This idea needs some tweeking and I'm sure there are many great spins everyone can put on it - so get posting. If you want to talk about this more and actually start working on it (yes, I want to do it now, as in this month), then AIM me at BostonRobot.

First and foremost let me say I like the idea. It could work on many levels, team recruitment, fund raising, sponsor attraction (Imagine it at a large mall attracting people. The conversation turns to "why are you guys doing this.." "Well let me tell you..."

Potential. Not sure if my teams funding situation could allow for such a capital outlay but I am thinking now.

Now for a possible problem area. And I HATE to mention it.
Liability. Someone may get hurt. Who is liable? The school system who school has it at that time? The group of schools that own it? Etc.

I think the solution would be insurance against this type of accident.

But I still like the idea, just aware of the litigious nature of American society these days

Good point. If anyone has any information on that, post it.

My own solution would be for anyone who wanted to ride to sign a simple form that says we aren't liable for injury, death, etc. I don't know exactly what it would have to include, but I'm sure someone out there in the community knows, right?

Well, Us here on 71 are doing the whole 20 dollar Segway ride thing, and it is working pretty good, the $$$ goes right to the team, and people are actually willing to pay 20 dollars, the only thing you need to make this idea a success in the 4500, (The 4500 dollar one looks more like a Segway to me). I think that nearly 50 teams would be willing to do a Segway "chip-in" idea. Having some sort of carpool can also work out. You will have to insure the segway also, as well as the rider (or make a disclaimer). I like the idea Brandon, keep me posted.

-Greg The Great

Re: **Fundraising: The Traveling Segway
 

I'd like to know, if any teams out there did this idea, did you break profit from it, and how willing was the general public to give their money out for Segway use? Were they doing it because they wanted to support the team, or because they genuinely wanted to ride a Segway?

Aignam: Team Hammond is doing it.

Greg: Could you post more information? Are you saying that you guys insurred the riders? Also, as Aignam asked, how interested were people in it? How much was that? Was it a hard sale for $20 or were people lining up?

As for how many people chip in and getting it from one team to the next: that's something that I think will be worked out between the teams that want to go in on one. For instance, I would love to convince my team, NU-Trons, and MIT to do this. If that happened, we could ride the Segway from one college to the other (we're extrememly close!). However, if say the Prank Monkeys, and a bunch of those teams down there wanted to do this (hint, hint, Amanda M), they could probably use a car to take it between them or even ship it. So really, my idea wasn't to have a central organization for all teams who want to do this: however I'd be more than happy to do something like that if there's enough interest (post here or PM me if you're interested). In that scenario, a small group of Segways could be made available upon request to teams who pitch in and all they would have to pay in addition is shipping. That would reduce the price per team (maybe $500?) Both ideas are feasible.

Do you know of any other teams participating in the Segway fundraiser? It sounds like a good idea, though the insurance and liability can get icky..

The one thing I like about it is that it is a long term investment, and once you break even, it is almost pure profit. We could even bring it to the town carnivals and such and offer it for $2 or something. Kids would be lining up. The only problem I see with that is the state laws. In New Jersey, the rider would have to be of age (16) and wear a helmet, which isn't too big of an issue, but still a consideration. What other environments do teams bring the Segway to? How do you go about setting the rides up?

Nope. I haven't heard of other teams doing it yet. I did however send a message to Segway to ask for help. Since we'll be promoting the Segway and purchasing their product, I hope they'll be willing to just lay out all the information we need (they spent years researching and fighting for the policies on Segways, so I'm sure they know it all).

Yes, that is the great thing about this if it works: it can generate a lot of money quick. If each team puts in $500 - they should be able to get that back in a weekend event. That's just 25 rides, right?

Segway has laid some information out on PDF cards here.

Beat ya Greg
 

I talked to someone from Team Hammond about their event. So far they've done it twice with just advertising on a local sign for Mrs. Beatty's store "School Stuff" - and they had 12 and 10 riders for the two events. They told them how to ride, demonstrated, then let them on with a couple of spotters to make sure they were safe - then eventually let them roam free. They had a helmet and some pads. They took a picture of them on the Segway and printed it on a full sheet of photo paper. They got to ride about 10-15 minutes. The cost was $20 and the Segway belongs to Mr. Beatty, who donated its use for the day.

I think that here in Boston on all these college campuses and with all these people *walking* everywhere, we can attrract more people. This location in Hammond is at a busy intersection, however people are in their cars for the most part (maybe a few walkers here and there). I would bet that I could get 10 people in a couple hours to take a ride at $20 for 10 minutes without the picture. Cost of living is higher here in Boston (a lot higher), so that's not an outrageous price. So that's $200 per event - I could do that two times a week, allowing other teams to have it in the off time, and make back my $2000 or less investment in just 5 weeks (remember, a Segway lasts for years!).

I keep pitching this hoping more people will want to do this - but if you see real problems with it or have suggestions - feel free to tear it apart.

Its a really inventive idea, but always remember in economics profit is a cost. If you could be gaining more money somewhere else, your techincally losing it. Just think is buy a $4500 segway the most profitable thing we could do with $4500. Now if someone already has a segway and are willing to donate it for a fundraiser that would be amazing. But just think how much time you would need to put in just to get back to 4500.. at $20 you would need 225 people to ride it. I personally think 20 is to much.. say you get $10 a ride. 450 people. Thats just to make the price back. Now granted if you make this a long term investment.. it may make some money for you.. but the problem is most teams don't either 1 have the money right away or by the time they get it, they don't want to lose it to a risky investment. Remember $4500 can be used to do many other things... like host team dinners which can easily get $15 a plate and you can sit 100 or more people at time. ( they often spawn off donations of $ 100 also )

I think the segway is a really cool idea, and if you had one for use already it would be amazing. However, I think more money can be generated other places w/ that money. More " pure profit " because your basis for profit could be covered.

I wish I had a seqway :-( lol

Dan

I found this article today.

Link:
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articl...d2000b55f5.txt

Article:

Fund-raiser rolling along

Hammond Robotics Team offers rides on Segway to raise money.

BY SHARON PORTA
Times Correspondent

HAMMOND -- Selling candy and wrapping paper is the old-fashioned way to earn money, now that the cutting edge of fund-raising has come to the Hammond Robotics Team. Instead of knocking on doors, the team is making money by providing rides on a Segway.

Bill Beatty, of Beatty Engineering, the team's mentor who helps engineer the robots, purchased a Segway three months ago, and then hit upon the idea of charging for rides to raise money for the team's expenses.

"They are so unique, not many people have ever seen one," Beatty said. "When I would take it for a ride, I'd get so many questions. So I figured, why not get people to give a donation and they could get a chance to ride." Segway is the self-balancing, two wheeled transportation device designed for short-distance travel. The cost of a Segway is between $4,000 and $5,000.

Beatty bought a Segway after reading about them.

"I'm a first guy on the block kind of guy," Beatty said. "I love things that are on the cutting edge of technology, something new and different."

The Hammond Robotics Team, which has won several national championships, needs about $60,000 to compete. To raise money, they are charging $20 a ride, and give the rides on Saturdays at Beatty's store, School Stuff, in Hammond. A photo on the Segway is included.

"We had one man come here, give me $50, and told us to keep it, he thought it was so worth it," Beatty said. "We're going to keep doing this as long as we need to raise money."

Matt Schaade, 15, a sophomore at Gavit, gave the Segway a try.

"I want one," he said. "I can't think of anything I don't like about it, it is so awesome."

Beatty said he wishes he had the Segway while attending Purdue University, walking long distances. He also sees other uses.

"The police at O'Hare Airport use them," he said. "I can also see lawyers use it for getting to the courthouse. Instead of taking a 8,000 cab, why not take this."

Brookstone has started selling Segways, and there are only five dealerships in the country, Beatty said. He's applied to become a dealer. The Segway travels at 12.5 miles per hour, about four times as fast as a fast walker.

"It's pretty cool," said Josie Villanueva, 16, a sophomore at Hammond High School. "I almost fell off the first time, but I like it."

The rides will continue, although not every Saturday. Beatty said he will provide the dates to those who call him at (219) 931-3000. Upcoming dates also will be on the marquee at School Stuff.

"Will this revolutionize mankind, I don't think so," Beatty said. "If it does, it will be a long, slow process. But I think it's neat and a lot of fun."

Stud Man Dan: You make good points. However, for many teams this would not be a risky investment. This doesn't apply to all teams, of course. However, if a group of teams spent $500 each, that would be just 50 rides in your $10 scenario (again, I would charge $20 because honestly, it seems like $20 means nothing around here). Also, for some teams this sort of thing will be a fitting fundraiser where other types such as a dinner aren't possible (1020, for instance, doesn't have the man power, time, or customer for most fundraisers). This probably won't be a main source of income for any team, but $200 a weekend (as Hammond has been doing) multiplied by let's say 10 weekends in the pre-season is $1500 after cost. $1500 was half of 1020's budget (not including the registration donated by NASA).

I suspect this fundraiser may work (and work well) for another year or so... But be prepared that soon, a good percentage of the population who would be interested in riding one will have already done so. If you look on Segway's site, you can see that Segways are now available at retail stores (Brookstone thus far). They are available to view, demo, and buy.

Again I think the fundraiser will still work for some time to come, but take this into consideration before making an investment.

- Patrick

They say that approximately four percent of the world's population owns an automobile.

Even with the amount of time that cars have been around, there are people all around the world that have not ridden in a vehicle, or even seen one.

Why is a Segway different?

Of course, invest wisely. But if the Segway was released about a year and a half ago and is still providing the mass hysteria it once caused (maybe at a slightly smaller level), I would say it's not quite a fad that is going to retire itself in the next few years.

Yes... but 100% of Americans have. (or probably like 99.999%)
Soon... it will be the same with Segways.
At that point... it will be difficult to make money "selling rides".

Just imagine the look you'd give someone if they wanted $20 to let you drive their truck around a little.

It doesn't matter if it's a fad or not.
In a few years, the novelty will have worn off, and it'll just be another piece of modern technology we all take for granted.

I also would say it's not a fad, but it's certainly not catching on as quickly as everyone had hoped/expected. It'll get there.

Anyway, Brookstone has a store just down the street. I'm going to go check it out and see if maybe this will turn out to be a different situation where they sponsor us by loaning us the demo Segway. While it may be tough to get people to pay when they offer rides, we wouldn't be spending money this way.

Of course, I'm also crossing my fingers for to win the raffle. Do you have your ticket yet? Numbers are limited, buy yours today! (No, I'm not being paid)

I think, from reading the past few posts, that if you can easily get your hands on a Segway free of charge, or at a ridiculously discounted price, by all means you should try the fundraiser out. If doing the fundraiser entails purchasing a new segway, however, it probably isn't worth the risk. $4500 can be invested more wisely in other ways.

well dinner was just one example ( ps dinners don't take much to put on.. all you have to do is cut a deal w/ a restaraunt and they will often allow you to hold a fund raisers in parts of their place and you could get a cut of the money and they just upcharge the meals.. or put a set price on the dinner tho this option is often harder to explore )

When I wrote this however I was considering the option of a carwash. Carwash's take about 8 people, which usually every team can scrounge up. For supplies it costs mayb 40 dollars ( waterbill has never been counted, because we've never been asked by anyplace we've hosted one to compensate ). I know every time I've been involved with a carwash our group has got around $400-$1300 .. ( $1300 was a high.. 400 was a low ; we average around $700 ) these figures are not made up. That at the low end is around a 1000% return on your investment. You wouldn't have to do much to make back your investment, other than on the segway where you'd need 25-50 people to ride depending on $ amt. This can be done on every saturday, or every other saturday.

I wasn't saying that the Segway was a bad idea, I was just saying there are better ideas. People will always need cars washed, or need to eat, or be willing to attend a nice fund raiser dinner. The intrigue in riding in a segway might not always be there. Liablity is a lot less, and if your investment brakes... your in trouble, because who's responsible? The team who had it at the time, or every team that paid for it? If your team had it while it broke, you could be in big trouble.

Also, in your example you have 9 teams dividing the cost up. Even cost means Even use I'm asuming which would mean each team has the segway for 5-6 weeks. This is for the entire year, this is assuming that you don't cut out any time for competition weekends, or even build weekends.

That leaves every team with $500-700 ( depending on which team you are )after cost. Granted $500 is good, but thats assuming you make $200 every weekend, which is most likely not a stretch. But $500 after 5-6 weekends of work ? A person could make that off minimum wage working 10 hours a day on saturday and sunday in that amount of time.

Again I think its a cool idea.. I think that if you could get one to use and get like a booth at a fair or something and let people ride it a bit, charge however much you wish, you could prob. make a fair amount of money because you didn't have any cost to begin w/.

But to split cost w/ other teams to buy a segway for fundraising purposes. I don't believe that is very cost effective, and it might be better to save your money and use it other ways. ( more than just what I mentioned )

Dan

While you can't get a driver's license until you are sixteen, even small children can drive a Segway (I watched an eight year old do better on one than myself).

Senior citizens that aren't completely immobile can use Segway to get around more efficiently than a car, especially in rural areas where the post office or store might only be a small way away.

After rethinking, I'm seeing that a small team that might not have a lot of resources might consider this a bad idea. But what about teams that are supplied by Segway suppliers? For instance, I know Delphi is a supplier of circuit boards for Segways. How many teams are funded by Delphi? What if the Delphi teams could pass around a Segway or two between them for a ride? Or BAE Systems... I believe they supply gyros for the machines. One to pass around?

You have to understand, teams like Hammond aren't just offering a quick ride. They're including training, a long ride, and some recreation time. My entire family went to Hammond's fundraiser to be trained.

My emphasis is that there are a thousand possibilities with this. Don't shut them out with the assumption that this is just a fad.

By not having money for the machine, or if you think that you are in an area where this might not benefit your team, by all means, do what is best. However, I might suggest that you don't overlook this. While some fundraisers don't work for all teams, one team seems to be making some money from this.

Certain states have age restrictions for vehicles like the Segway. In NJ, any person over the age of 16 with a helmet can ride a Segway legally.

The idea of sharing Segways amongst teams that have a common sponsor is intriguing.

Or it will be another piece of modern technology we forget about entirely. This thread has largely ignored the risk of the segway market. They haven't caught on, and the risk of lawsuits and other ridiculus claims by lawyers are not making it easier for people to have them for personal use. Buying one with the intent of making back the investment at a .4% ($20/$4500) rate seems kind of slow for a single team or a group of teams. Yes you're splitting the costs, but your also splitting the profit.

You don't have to spend any money for a bottle drive. The overhead is much lower on most pizza kit type fundraisers. Long term investments are no good for a team who needs money in the short term. I can't see it being feasible as a reliable fundraiser.

I like the idea of a mutual fundraiser, but I can't see the segway being the best way to raise money. There has to be something else we can offer at a lower cost to ourselves without the legal liability.

It has been my experience suppliers have a hard time obtaining components other than those they produce. Working for Collins & Aikman, I found out how even though we had to design around a gauge pack our customer (chyrsler) had chosen, they were still hard to come by. It seems unlikely that Delphi would be given a $4500 device for free, especially if they intend to make money off of it. At best, Delphi could probably get it at a discount which could put the cost anywhere from the base cost to a small 5% savings.

depends on the industries and depends on how high the mark-up is for segways. Delphi might be able to obtain one for half price, or from general b-stock if they wanted to.

They also might be able to get one on loan, but prob. not to make money off of. Especially if they thought they might cause an uproar from the FIRST community, showing favoritism towards those teams.

Amanada is right tho, this is an option for certain teams, and certainly not others, Just be careful with your teams money, It has hard to come by, and losing money on a fund raiser would be a terrible thing to see happen to any team.

Dan

Amanda, thanks for putting into words what I was trying to say: this isn't for everyone. As an example we tried that "pizza kit" idea. Luckily the costs were absorbed into the fact that I printed advertisements from the school's printers. However, if we had printed it with out own paper, we would have just about broke even - we printed a ream of paper - that's about $5. We sold one kit (to a group of team members I might add) for a total donation of $5 from Dominoes. It's a great idea, don't get me wrong - but we had bad luck and 1020 will probably never do that again (don't let that discourage you from trying it!). I just wanted to emphasize the fact that I realize this isn't for every team.

Yes, the projection for the returns look a little grim. I admit I'm hoping that the cost could be averted somehow. However, I still think it's feasible for teams to do this. Every team works a little differently and this should work for some of them.

I've been chewing on the idea for a while now, and frankly, VERY rarely can it turn a proofit. The amount of time, money, and energy to set it up, plus the fact you need over 200 people for it to turn a prooft, well, that's insane.

The capital outlay isn't there for many teams to shell out $5000 (remeber good 'ole S&H?) for a Segway that *might* make money. Plus, who gets it durring the off season? The school to sit there? A mentor? Student?

Well I imagine thats when they would do most of the fund raising, for a lot of teams, there really is no " off season " the off season is when we raise our funds for the next year. and in a distribution thats when I imagine each individual team would have to do the promo's.

You make people pay for rides, and include a raffle ticket with the ride on it, maybe up the price to $25. And then maybe it'd work.

there was a booth at calgames with three segways. the rides were free, given we had signed release forms (also signed by parents)
perhaps get a hold of ken leung (he organized calgames), he might have more information.

they were giving out rides and LESSONS in Miami this past Wednesday. It was a small fee and a waiver, but all in all i think this is a great way to a) promote one of many Dean Kamen inventions and b) good PR because a LOT of people don't know much about the Segway. c) a learning experience for your team members AND the general public. and hey d) a great and fun fundraiser

has anyone considered rather than just letting people RIDE the segway actually TEACHING them about it? how to use it? why it was invented? etc?

My six-year-old daughter is pretty good at riding one. Now, she wants one for Christmas... darn technology. :)

Andy B.

I believe that that is very similar to the approach taken by Team 71. They provide information and training, but do let the rider get a good 20 minutes or so on the Segway. Reading is your friend, Sara. :D

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...678979-6936634

she'll never be able to tell the difference.

Segway Fundraiser
 

Team 47 is finishing up on the fundraiser where the main prize is a Segway.

Tickets are still for sale at $5.00 each - Go back to the portal for directions.

Here are a few facts:
The Segway is not $4500.00 it is $5500.11 with shipping and extras.

To demo it in public you need a Liability Insurance Policy.

A liability policy is also required to give rides in most states.

The winner of the Segway must claim the winning on their Federal Income Tax form.

Most states require a license to sell raffle tickets for prizes in excess of $100.00.

Most states will not allow persons younger than 18yrs of age to participate in raffles.

I will be posting a white paper on our Segway raffle at its conclusion.

McSegway
 

We ran our fund raiser again saturday. We had some interesting guests drop by.

does it amaze anyone else the Ronald McDonald can ride a segway and our President of the United States can't?

come on, seriously, the guy choked on a pretzel, why was he allowed near a segway?

Hey, those pretzels can be hazardous, especially those ones with that have been broken in the package and have the pointed ends.lol. In any case, I guess the president did not need to get the training from the Segway trainers, maybe the FBI thought of it as a security threat. All things considered... It was good advertisement for the Segway, even if it did throw off the president of the United States of America.

Sorry for kind of jumping of the toipic, I could not help myself.

-Greg The Great