Misinformation warning
 

Dont trust what I say intil the season starts. My dad, the infamous Dave Lavery, will probably use me for misinformation about the upcoming game, so Im jsut giving every1 a fair warning. Ill post it anyway, because you never know what might be useful or true.:p
~Lil' Lavery

Soooo

by saying we cant trust what you post

is that misinformation

?!

ssssh!

You're not suppost to tell them.

There is a lil' Lavery~?!?!?!?!?!

0_o

May God have mercy on all of us....

-_-!!!

This just in: The latest NASA research vessel has just crashed into Palo Alto, California. Reports of damage and injuries are still coming in, but it is believed that Ken Leung, long time participant in the FIRST Robotics Competition, was the only fatality.

NOOOO!!! Not KEN!! !Eeeek.. sucks for the research vessel too

Mercy on us? He's the one who has Dave as a dad.


George



P.S. Jokeing aside, how cool would it be to have Dave as a dad?

P.P.S. In case this gets to my dad somehow, I'd like him to know I still love him!! (but not quite as much as Fluffy)

One would also have to wonder if, by admitting that we can't trust his post regarding misinformation, he knew we would all have to then question whether it was the original post that was false, or the post was correct but the original information behind the post was false.

Then, of course knowing that if I told him something even accidentally that it might end up on this board, I might tell him that everything I might say in the future would be false. Knowing that, he might want to give you a warning that anything I were to let slip, and he were to pass on, would be suspect. I could use that to ensure that everything I said would not be believed, and therefore not passed on. Or if it were passed on it would automatically be interpreted as misinformation, and everyone would assume the inverse was actually true. But knowing that, I could intentionally tell him misinformation, knowing that it would be interpreted as misinformation by him and inverted, and he would then unintentionally post the truth, which would be interpreted as misinformation and - knowing it was misinformation - the inverse (which was actually the inverted truth) would then be revealed to everyone. But since you now know that is possible, I would never do that. But I could just tell him misinformation, and he wold interpret it as such, and then post the truth, but everyone else would think that is was inverted truth and not believe it but believe the inverse. So then they would actually be believing the truth. But we already know that I would never leak out anything true, and since I know the potential for the above scenario, I would never let it happen, so everything that I would tell him would have to be real information only, which would then be interpreted as misinformation, inverted by him and posted as real information, misinterpreted as misinformation by you and inverted to be believed as real information, but since you know I would never reveal real information it would then be believed to be misinformation and inverted again into actual misinformation and incorrectly believed to be real information. Or not.

How do you know that he is really even one of my kids anyway?

-dave (just wanted to see if I could make Wetzel's brain explode again)





I am just reminded of the following exchange from The Princess Bride:

MAN IN BLACK: All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead.
VIZZINI: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: You've made your decision then?
VIZZINI: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows. And Australia is entirely peopled with criminals. And criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
MAN IN BLACK: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
VIZZINI: Wait till I get going! Where was I?
MAN IN BLACK: Australia.
VIZZINI: Yes -- Australia, and you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: You're just stalling now.
VIZZINI: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong. So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
MAN IN BLACK: You're trying to trick me into giving away something -- it won't work --
VIZZINI: It has worked -- you've given everything away -- I know where the poison is.
MAN IN BLACK: Then make your choice.
VIZZINI: I will. And I choose -- Wait! -- what in the world can that be?
MAN IN BLACK: What? Where? I don't see anything.
VIZZINI: Oh, well, I-I could have sworn I saw something. No matter.
MAN IN BLACK: What's so funny?
VIZZINI: I'll tell you in a minute. First, let's drink -- me from my glass, and you from yours.
MAN IN BLACK: You guessed wrong.
VIZZINI: You only think I guessed wrong - that's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned. You fool. You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line."

Vizzini laughs and roars and cackles and whoops and is in all ways quite cheery until he falls over dead.

I think my brain's about ready to explode after reading that...

Anyone notice how "Lil' Lavery" doesn't have a first name yet? :)

Whew... thought I was in trouble there for a second! Not that I have done anything or have anything planned to be in trouble for... not me...


Heidi

<==========>
There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more. -- Woody Allen

No. As a freshman he has yet to earn a firstname.

Wetzel

You know, when I worked at APL, I always joked that the TIMED folks were going to get fed up with us (the Satellite Tracking Facility) and deorbit it directly into our building.

Matt

.... looks like somebody had too must coffee and Krispy Kreme this morning. (ouch.... this post was painful to read and to follow)

:yikes:

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I just finished reading most of "Lil' Lavery" posting on CD and they are written with a strange sense of matureness....and humor that is just like...

I wonder.... is it because "Lil Lavery" is Dave's real son or ....

noooo can't be.. but maybe........
:ahh:
(I just scared myself, better get off the street....)
:D;)

Thank you Dave... I don't know if your post made me smarter or dumber. :D

[snif](wiping a tear from my eye) thank you, I think that is the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me! :)

My work here is done...

-dave

hey, I just reallized that Mini-Me called me "infamous." Should I read anything into that?

Dave, for some reason, i dont see you sporting "Quzi-Futuristic Clothing", being bald, holding your pinky to your lower lip, or plotting to take over the world.....

but in the off chance you are..... who is austin powers:p..... *realizes he gave someone a photoshop idea*

Mine did. Lol, wow, im so confused now. I think I'm just going to crawl up into a shell.

Would that someone be me? I would never photoshop something like that! However, Paint Shop Pro...


The new DR. Evil

But I had to keep the hair... or no one would recognize him... and I couldn't pick on Lil' Lavery, he's one of my best volunteers for outreach!

Heidi

<=========>
:D

Thank you. I needed a good laugh being up this late. One day I hope I'm infamous enough to get my face pasted over a famous character's. Go Dave:)

bwahahaha

HA HA HA HA!
THANK YOU.

We are making buttons from this and wearing them at the Kickoff!
"The New Dr. Evil"
:yikes:

Oh man, this is one of the funniest posts in a LONG time...

Let me just tell you, having two Lavery's is just mind boggling. This will bend the fabric of time and all that stuff.

Beware the Megan....


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Flees back into the spacetime tear

One day you shall learn that what people request on ChiefDelphi has a tendency to come true ;) I present to you Mr. Brandon Gates (Bill is just a cover-up name)

LOL.

Hold on...

LOL.

Never thought I would laugh that hard at myself. I've learned my lesson. Thanks Mike, for turning me into SATAN! I shall rule all! And for all you Linux users out there - you'll get yours soon enough!

Brandon's SATAN!!!

OMG!

sat·in ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stn)
n.

1. A smooth fabric, as of silk or rayon, woven with a glossy face and a dull back.
2. A garment made of this fabric.

Well, his glasses do reflect; they are kinda shiny.

YES! He is fabric! $@#$@#$@#$@# my misspelling...

Windows...

The fabric of our lives....


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Ohh great, so you are saying 1984 should have been like 1984. With regards to the Apple commercial.
ivey

Silly mortals. I'm not made of satin! I'm a robot running Windows XP Robot Edition. I aim to have all FIRST Robots running on this new and exciting version of Windows within a few years.

Yeah, as exciting as watching stagnet water, that's Windows!

Ooooo!! Stagnet water, watch as the mosquitos spawn, and then they suck out our souls, yeah, that's windows.
ivey

Heh, now I realize it was worth the time to photoshop it, it made good conversation... now if only someone would photoshop me too hehehehe.

Right back at ya! Say hello to Mr. Mike Jobs - the puny little hippy with technology that noboday wants!

(I admit, I'm not that great at this! Thanks to Dez for help finding images)

Lets not turn this into a Mac vs. PC thread again, because like I've said, my PPC 970 can kick your X86 butt. :p

Ok, here are my thoughts... First, I think Dave would neever post any true information, inverted or not, through himself or through another person. Thhe simple reasoning is that we all will interpret that information differently. Some think one level deep, and will invert it. Others think two, and will invert it twice, and so on. Others will assume it's gobblydegook from the beginning. However, I think Dave might post true information,, if he is ssure that nobody will even know it's there.

On a completely unrelated but related note, I am re-reading "Ender's Game" lattely. It's creepy how many similarities I am seeing between this thread and the Ender's game book series. The pictures of these computer "desks". The series of logical arguments. And so on and so on... In one of the books Bean sends out a note wheen he is in captivity by encoding it in an image of a dragon, I believe. Nobody suspects that an image has anything meaningful in it, so it goes out unseensored. Dave's probably already sent out the game somehow simply encoded in a message. We are too busy trying to figure out his complicated logic when the answer is sitting right in front of us. And he's probably been laughing hysterically at all these posts when the game is literally staring us all in the face. But perhaps, we will not find Davve laughing, anymore.

Oh well eenough procrastination. It's been fun, but I've really got to start my larb report due tomorrow. :ahh:!!

- Patrick

Yes, yes, back to topic. I doubt we'll ever get any real information about the game ahead of time.

And as for PC vs. Mac - you have no idea how much I hate Windows. I just don't have the green for a mac right now or the time to learn linux (yes, I've heard of Redhat, leave me alone already :)).

Hahahah, that gave me a good laugh :) Thanks lol. This thread is very interesting... I must admit, it varies from Photoshopped images, to confusing philosophy... or maybe it's all a conspiracy? Maybe I photoshoped that picture of Brandon as a decoy for you all to see instead of the main point of this thread? Or maybe I'm lieing? It's like the "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop" theory... the world may never know.

How many licks does it take to get the the center of a Tootsie Pop:
 

Depends on your definition of 'lick,' and what you count as 'the tootsie roll center'

According to my definition: not putting tootsie pop in whole mouth but licking each side one at a time, and the second i tasted chocolate on one side... i've struck gold

512 licks... 512

But there are so many variables: the rate at which the amount of saliva in my mouth was decreasing at, how much pressure i put on the pop...

the world may never know,

in Atlanta; we should take some statistical data on this

I've always thought it was 384 licks to the center. ;)

No, Erin is correct, it must be a 2^n quantity.

512 is correct; 1 1111 1111; or 1FF hex.

If her licks were concentrated on two sides it would be 128 licks; FF hex.
If her licks were concentrated on one side, it would be 64 licks; EF hex.

Binary rules!
;)

You missed the joke Rich. *looks at JospehM's team number*

mmmmmmm....tooooootsie pop. But aren't those things kinda spherical anyway?

He just made it geek-i-er


Wetzel

Actually I caught the 384, but the 512 triggered an knee "jerk" mind dump of my old days doing binary numbers in college.

It was pretty sad, we actually learned to do math in hex!
:ahh:
(... the nighmares I had)
;)

Oh, ok then, I'm cool with that. I wish I did binary in HS... :(

You folks aren't too good at keeping this on topic...

If Dave personally posted the "L'il Lavery" post he'd be breaking a CD rule. But either way.. it doesn't really matter. The fact that "Lavery" is in the name will cause a panic and flustering of conversation regardless of the statement(s).

FACT: There is a Dave spawn on the team, he is a freshman.
FACT: We call him Lil' Lavery.

The rest is up to you.

Wetzel

We need the true- is there a real Lil' Lavery or is he a clone of MR. LAVERY?
(can you get spy pictures? birth certificates? Finger prints, report cards, detention cards... anything!)
;)

I was able to find this picture of Lil' Lavery assiting the robot onto the field at the 2003 MD State Fair.



And Dave.


They both have glasses, wearing red, looking the same way, they must be related.



Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dentention cards would sound about right for a Daveling.
Not yet very skilled in the art of social engineering.

Poor child..... by posting the "warning" on CD, he sacrificed himself by warning us of the coming doom!
I can't imagine the scoldy and endless speech he received afterward.

;) ;) :D

Good job Wetzel, you found a picture of me, and remembered I had a sister megan, but you forgot one more important thing. There is a 3rd Davespawn, daniel. And for the clone comment..
*eerie silence*

I didn't forget.


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Holds tounge again.
*shifty eyes*

Is anyone as confused as I am? <goes to get some advil>

"lil"
 

But what if, and this is just for the purpose of discussion, what if the "Lil" does not stand for little. I remember it as if it were yesterday....the day I first say Diamond Lil. Let confusion reign!

Ken Loyd
the old guy
Team 64

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Brandon is Santa?? Ooh, Ooh, I want to tell you what I want for X-Mas!!!

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Best line in the whole movie: Miracle Max (Billy Crystal) to Inigo (Mandy Patakin) and Fezzik (Andre the Giant):

"Bye-bye boys! Have fun storming the castle!!"

There are just so many times this line can be useful!

-dave


-----------------------------------

24 days to go!!!!

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:confused:
(thinking- why would the gamemaster post a message like this, why would he relied with such detail, and what about this movie....... and why can't Dave count the days of the month, why, why, why......)

Ooh, no, another encrypted message from Dave, I'm not even done with the snow in the yard thing message!
(U are EVIL!)

::search on "storming the castles"......1,945 hits::
:yikes: :yikes:

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Because Dave is full of "Spirit" and is taking advantage of the "Opportunity" to mess with your head.

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Look, it's Dave, getting ready to:

storm the castle

Do you think he's having fun?

Heidi

<==========>
okay, I am definitely not quitting my day job

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Well, if we can assume that a tootsie pop has a circular cross section, and that the tongue would be tangental to the surface of the pop, wouldn't it follow that it would take an infinite number of licks to reach the center on all sides, since you would have to lick each point numerous times?

Sorry, Calculus is ruining my brain. *twitch* The area enclosed by a deltoid? What? NOOOOO!

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Well, to solve this problem we would have to define exactly what a "lick" is.

If a lick is an act of placing your tounge and then moving it on the pop, then I have a simple answer for you.

One lick is the answer... How is this possible you ask??

Simple, put the tootsie roll pop on/in a "spin pop" device and never take your tounge off the pop, and just push the spin pop button to rotate the tootsie roll pop. Presto.. one defined "lick" and you're to the center.

Now to take this even a step further, lets take the pop itself.. You can never really reach the "center" of a sphere if it has a stick in the middle of it!!!

So, it is truely impossible; if you don't agree with the answer that the one lick solution works that is!!!

:D

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Not to revive an old topic, but we might as well evaluate what Dave's posted in this thread to see if something he mentioned wound up somehow connecting to FIRST Frenzy.

First, the big long reasoning post...it could be argued that he was trying to drive our minds into a mind-numbing state and get us speculating--a frenzied state.

Second, the "my work here is done" post. Consider the game--once you got on the bar, you're done...well, except for those little things, such as blocking the goal or monkeying to block another robot. Consider that Dave then posted and did other little posts.

Finally, the "storming the castle" post. If we define the bar as a the inner part of a castle, then we've got a mess of a fortress this year, don't we? I mean, big huge stairs (in robot terms, at least), tremendous stakes blocking your path, the varying traction of the surfaces (I didn't even notice that until Atlanta)...it's quite the protection. Oh, and the guards, if you define the other alliance as the keepers of the castle. (Yeah, that's a stretch...they think the same of you.)

I sense the need to look into this further....(devilish grin)

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You missed the obvious connection. Look at the shape of the battlements on a castle wall. Then look at the profile of the top of the goals from this year. Notice any similarity? ;)

All of my clues are clues.

Whether they are good clues or not may be a matter of debate... :)

-dave

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So Billfred was actually right with those connections? They seemed a bit of a stretch. Please give us some more interesting ones like that this year.

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Dave --
If I had your kind of credibility, and the whole FIRST community hanging on my every word, I would have sooooooooo much fun. I'd never be bored. :D

Admiringly,
John



Edit:
Sean, you find yourself in this very same position simply by virtue of your relation to Dave.
Enjoy, young one. God Speed in your quest. *salutes*
/edit

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Pfft
of course he incripts sectret messages within his posts, who doesnt? Not even only in his posts, but everyone elses,
like heidi's....
You just gotta keep searching
get the info
once youve obtained it plan ahead
never tell anyone else
show the world how to play the game

the secret to success! :p ;) :D

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Like mine? Yeah, like mine. Like this incripted SECRET MESSAGE . Uh-huh...

Heidi

<===========>
... and most of all I would like to thank Koko Ed, without his encouragement, I wouldn't be where I am today... ;)

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I keep hearing the theme from "The Twilight Zone".

This thread is either a new upcoming TZ episode, or a bad skit from Saturday Night Live.

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Definitely a bad SNL skit.

Cuz some of it kinda makes sense.

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OH GOD! WE'RE GONNA HAVE BRIGHT ORANGE BALLS AS SCORING OBJECTS NEXT YEAR! And to score them we'll have to put them on striped posts, and cover them with green wigs! :yikes:

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That's just disturbing..
More or less scary..
--d0ri

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Orange balls?

That will NOT fly well at Palmetto. Them's Clemson colors. (For those who don't know, Palmetto is held on the campus of the University of South Carolina, and Clemson is USC's rival. Not to mention Tennessee and Florida, which Carolina plays in football each year, almost always at the end of the season (hence we refer to the three as the Orange Crush). So wearing orange is license to get dirty looks from all around here.)

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You mean having fun like pointing out this pad of paper, that I left sitting on the bleachers at IRI right behind you and Baker and Morella?



Just think, all you had to do was grab it and flip over to page 3 and see all those ever-so-interesting sketches...

There is no Opportunity like one that is missed.

-dave

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Dave,
Honestly... you believe an entire weekend went by without us seeing that pad? C'mon man... we're more resourceful than that.

Where was the pad during dinner Saturday night? Oops.

I'm already designing my next robot,
John

edit:
Wow... good picture btw.
/edit

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I go on vacation for a few weeks and 2005's game has been suposedly left in the open for few to see and i wasnt around dave can you mistakenly mail me that page 3 so i can send it back to u for a non-return address or something =) it should get back to u in a few days

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2 comments:

1. Why are all those people just sitting around, not working?
I may have to re-call their CREW shirts.

2. copies of the entire notebook can be downloaded at xxx.Itookdigitalpictureswhiledavewasntlooking.org*


Team Cyber Blue has our 2005 robot designed and build is underway.
January may be kinda boring.....


* xxx. is the next level of the world wide web, because all of the good names for www have been taken. Some of your now obsolete computers may not be able to access these sites.

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There are a few reasons for that:
1. Nick (maroon shirt, team 190) was not on the crew.
2. John and I were refs and did not get an IRI Crew Shirt. *sniff, sniff*
3. That is the posture Morrella assumes at most FIRST events he attends.

(Actually, Jason was invited to attend IRI and instructed to enjoy himself. So, he is shown here doing as he was told.)

:)

Andy B.

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Dave,

Do you have any idea who posted the pages on Ebay?

Have you checked Lil'Lavery's bank account lately?

Ken

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Nice one.. Overdone in terms of FIRST, but nice.. Hehehehe.. but is it really true?
Have to wait till 2005 I guess....

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One year later, I'm reading this and.. and..

My brain hurts. :ahh:

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Ahhah The game is going to involve giving Dave Lavery a better sense of fashion.

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Now wait just a minute! Anyone that old, who still has that much hair, can wear whatever they want. This year I am thinking of growing a beard, combing it up, and cutting out eyeholes (I can't look much worse than the Donald).

Ken

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Yeah, one year later, and the logic in that quote is blowing minds over here at 617 like bad circuit breakers on our third robot (btw, see our autopsy of the blown circuit breaker in the tech discussions forum under kit of parts: parts specs.)

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I took six semesters of symbolic logic courses in undergraduate and grad school. If you want a real fun exercize, map out the logic constructs of the original paragraph. It actually does flow, and makes literal logical sense. Trust me - with a face like this, would I lie? :D

-dave

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Silly Dave, you forgot the image. No problem, I'll get it for you.

Now, with a face like this would he lie?

Heidi

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And I actually thought the title of this thread was all about Heidi and her evil photoshopped visions. :D

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I know you understand what you thought I said, but I'm not sure you understand that what you thought I said is not what I meant to say.

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*passes out from confusion*

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Success at last.

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HEIDI'S BACK? WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!! :eek:

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Oh, really? -jots note to self down-

Watch MY brain explode! :D