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Andrew Dahl 12-12-2003 08:07

seperate section for team leaders
 
is there any way to set up a fourum sedction specifically for team leaders as there is fodder for dicussion /concerns that should only be dealt with by team leaders that do not need to be dicussed by members at lager?



dahl
rugby prop: stomping on hands since 1987

D.J. Fluck 12-12-2003 09:04

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
I think this is a good idea, but.... how are you going to know who should gain access to the forum or not? Most teams have members that visit the board, and with exception of a few, how do you know who is the leader? Also there are teams that do not have any adults that visit this website, but with some of the wierd posting names that people choose these days, you never know who is an adult or who isn't. It seems like too much effort for one little forum. I just don't think this idea is very feasible, but hey I could be wrong. I've been wrong before.


Anyway isn't that what the FIRST forums are for? Discussing issues with the team leaders?

Ken Leung 12-12-2003 09:11

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Dahl
is there any way to set up a fourum sedction specifically for team leaders as there is fodder for dicussion /concerns that should only be dealt with by team leaders that do not need to be dicussed by members at lager?



dahl
rugby prop: stomping on hands since 1987


What kind of discussion/concerns are you thinking about?

Joe Matt 12-12-2003 09:12

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
The biggest problem I have with that isn't that against the whole idea of a message board? Isn't it so everyone can talk about a subject and everyone can voice their opinions. What makes team leaders any better at problems than other non-team leaders? I can name a few team heads who didn't know jack-squat and the kids ran the team. Do you really think that by having a seperate board for team heads will make discussions better? For me, having 200 people in on a discussion that each know a little is better than 20 people in a discussion that know a lot, since each one of the 200 people has different experences, they can give info that is valuable to everyone.

thoughtful 12-12-2003 14:35

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Hey first of all i am a team leader for 1219 and i agree with JosephM. I find that the best ideas comewhen we discuss as a team. Tho i also must say that team leaders arent just made on their knowledge, it depedns on their communication, dicission making and administration. Emery boys(team1219) has a big team (about 70+ people) we cannot involve everyone in dicissions like who should goto tha kick off(canadian regional is allowing about 13 persons per team because of space limnitation) now we alsomight need to judge who goes in the box(tho this decision has to be made after the building is over, onlydrivers are chosen 3 weeks in) because positions in the box are "prize positions" and people who are most commited should get them. Tho team leaders are not the ones who might know the most. ;) .

Any ways lets get back on topic, now if you need a seperate thread or category or forum for you team leaders, make them signup first. You should get their usernames from them. In phpBB (www.phpbb.com) you have an option of user groups. Make a usergroup name TeamLeaders. Add usernames of team leaders in that group. Now you go to usergroup permissions under group admin(or something to that aspect) you can set the forum permission from there for the TeamLeaders group. As in which forum they can mdoerate, or which they can view or in which one they can post. After this goto forum permissions and set the secured forum permission to Private.

Tho remember its not the team leaders team, its not the teachers team, its a team that belongs to all of you, and most decisions should not be made by the team leaders alone.

ps: ignore the Typos

Elgin Clock 12-12-2003 17:24

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
I like the idea personally...

Everyone knows there are times when the "Big People" have to talk alone without all you pesky kids interfering, or about issues that don't involve the younger crowd, but are still important for the overall cause!!

Jack 13-12-2003 12:48

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
um..

i'd have to dissagree.

First, I really can't see any topic that should only be discuessed by "team leaders". Second, it would be very changleing (sp?) to know which members are team leaders, and even if that were possible, then there would always be people who just wanted to get in to the forum and would find some way to get themselves a team leader.

Personally, I've found that if you have something that only certin people can do / access, there are a lot of people who try very hard to spam, etc.. to get whatever.

My $.025 :)

David Kelly 13-12-2003 16:53

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Dahl
is there any way to set up a fourum sedction specifically for team leaders as there is fodder for dicussion /concerns that should only be dealt with by team leaders that do not need to be dicussed by members at lager?



dahl
rugby prop: stomping on hands since 1987

I can see the good side to that. I think that in any situation, some people may have certain privilages to take about topics without others getting involved. There are many good reasons to have a private forum for a certain group of people are allowed access and others do not. I would not be surprised if something like this was already happening on these forums without the knowledge of the "general public". Heck, on the websites I run, I have private forums that others dont have knowledge of existance.

Some may not like it, but its the real world.

thoughtful 14-12-2003 08:26

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
well, emery forums (which are based on ASP not phpBB) has something similar, but the good thing is that u can have the private forum without the others even knowing or seeing it.And giving access to team leaders shouldnt take more than 10 minutes. Get there usernames and increase their access permission. So no one even knows about the private discussion and its going on. I will give you a prieview of our forums once the Beta Testing is done.

Jack 14-12-2003 11:39

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thoughtful
Get there usernames and increase their access permission.

I think we all understand that it's very easy to restrict a forum to only allow certain people to either view or post in it.

However, what you aren't thinking about is getting their usernames.. how in the world are you going to determine who is "a team leader" and who isn't?? ;)

thoughtful 14-12-2003 16:38

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
hehe, well there are only atmost 5-6 team leaders or something. Either you can ask them to use their realnames or when u goto school ask them to give you their usernames. It shouldnt take much to get them.

Emery forums have different access levels for public members(non school) private members(school). And in our case we have a field Named Real Name and the in school people are supposed to give their first and last name. Then the admin has a list of their real names and he can check the names and give the respected access levels. Our forums will have about 150 private members and it take about 2 hours to give them all private access so it shouldnt take you long to do it.

Andrew Dahl 15-12-2003 10:41

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
the concerns that I had were:
money: how the bills get paid
people issues- problems between students and others
deciding who goes on what trip (money concerns)
discipline for studetns who break rules (school and team)
dealing with school/county admin
security issues
and just venting- the team does not to see this but we also have much biggers commitments to this than most of the students becuase of out other involvmetns of all the adminstrative duties along with living our lives


these are thing i feel do not need to be addresses by the team at large

thoughtful 17-12-2003 01:07

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Very True, if the above issues were to be decided by the whole team there would be a lot of unhappy people, lots of cross arugments and well no final decision. Specially things like deciding who goes on what trip (money concerns)
discipline for studetns who break rules (school and team), these things have to be looked over by someone who is non bias, and deals with each student fairly. :) .

Thats my opinnion anyways.

sanddrag 17-12-2003 01:38

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Dahl
the concerns that I had were:
money: how the bills get paid
people issues- problems between students and others
deciding who goes on what trip (money concerns)
discipline for studetns who break rules (school and team)
dealing with school/county admin
security issues
and just venting- the team does not to see this but we also have much biggers commitments to this than most of the students becuase of out other involvmetns of all the adminstrative duties along with living our lives


these are thing i feel do not need to be addresses by the team at large

I don't like this. I don't like it at all. First, these are not issues that need to be discussed among multiple teams, and one team can communicate amongst its members in an easier fashion than by CD forum. Second, I believe adults should not hold secret little meetings for adults only whether it is in person or on forum. If the kids are old enough to handle FIRST, they are old enough to handle what comes with it.

JVN 17-12-2003 02:38

Re: seperate section for team leaders
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sanddrag
If the kids are old enough to handle FIRST, they are old enough to handle what comes with it.

What the heck does that mean?

You honestly believe every single participant of this program has the maturity level to express themselves intelligently in a roundtable discussion on the merits/potential pitfalls of a topic of import in the FIRST world?

Do you believe that everyone is capable of stopping to listen, before calmly and succinctly voicing an opinion that is driven by logic, and rational thought?

Ummm *raises hand* Have you READ these forums?

C'mon man... I can't believe this.
Everyone involved in this program is not created equal. We have the full spectrum of intelligence, and maturity represented in this program, and on these forums.

You honestly don't believe some of the engineers wouldn't want to step back to the "adults table" every now and then?

If they wanted to, I wouldn't hold it against them.
*Shrug*

Better that than leaving these forums altogether.

John

edit: Sorry for getting wound up. When I started posting here, I was a moron. Everyone grows up, until then... why should they be allowed at the "big boy table"?


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