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iamnafets 04-01-2004 01:02
Notepad Baby!
 
I would like to know how many other webmasters out there do their site design COMPLETELY in notepad. Yes, flash for flash and whatever for image editing but everything else notepad. Please post a link so I can see. I get great satisfaction seeing something pretty coming out of such a low level utility. Extra points if you use PHP or a server-side langauge and use a text file database instead of a wussy MySQL database.

BTW:
http://www.cryptoniterobotics.com is our site.

sanddrag 04-01-2004 01:16
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Hey CRyptonite! Remember us from Phoenix? We were in the same hotel. Anyway, that's pretty good for only notepad. One thing I would change, your green on the page is not the same as your buttons and capes, change it to that. Also, I didn't see your team number on there anywhere. :)

Rickertsen2 04-01-2004 01:19
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamnafets
I would like to know how many other webmasters out there do their site design COMPLETELY in notepad. Yes, flash for flash and whatever for image editing but everything else notepad. Please post a link so I can see. I get great satisfaction seeing something pretty coming out of such a low level utility. Extra points if you use PHP or a server-side langauge and use a text file database instead of a wussy MySQL database.

BTW:
http://www.cryptoniterobotics.com is our site.
That is really sick lol. Notepad thats crazy, but still understandable. Databases in text files. :ahh: :ahh: I'l admit, i've done that for small scripts like polls, and such, but anything larger is inefficient, counterproductive, and just plain stupid. i ask: WHY???? I used to be a notepad freak, but then i woke up. Why fight something that is there to help you jut to be stubborn. Please explain why lack of syntax highlighting etc, is advantageous. I'm terribly confused.

iamnafets 04-01-2004 01:26
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Lol! Sorry Sandrag, I don't remember you (because I'm a first year, yet got complete dibs on designing the whole website) :(. But I hope to see you at the upcoming competition. And Rickertsen, nice graphic!!!! I LOVE IT!!! WHY ISNT IT ON YOUR WEBSITE?! Now, to the question, as for syntax highlighting, dreamweaver, the works. First of all, $PHP+$editors!="chewy notepad goodness". It's really hard to make anything remotely editable in an editor (prove me wrong please). And specifically syntax highlighting, every "PHP Editor" I've found either costs like $50, or does the tabs totally wrong. And tabs are everything in code. One does it with 4 and not 5, one makes 4 tabs for one tab button push. Ugh! If someone points me to a good editor, I might be converted, but notepad is so good! And with XP they added a "Goto Line" feature which is invaluable. Lastly, text databases are very inefficient. But they are easily portable (one server to the next), can be edited with everyones favorite NOTEPAD in a jiffy, and I'm far too lazy to learn MySQL. That's all folks!

Sidenote: VI and emacs for linux and jotpad or whatever ghetto name for macs works too.

UngsFree 04-01-2004 02:01
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
If you want something powerful enough to do syntex highlighting, and yet still be able to code HTML/PHP/CSS the old fashion way, I'd recommend checking out "programmers notepad", its basically a 'suped' up notepad. I think the site is www.pnotepad.org; its a sourceforge project so you might want to check there.

Regards,
UngsFree

Rickertsen2 04-01-2004 02:05
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
You really must check out: http://sourceforge.net/projects/devphp I have tried many editors and DEV-PHP is truly gold. TRY IT!! If tabs bother you, it even has adjustable tabs. lol. As far as learning MySQL goes, it sounds intimidating, but really isn't and is well worth it. To tell you the truth using text files is MUCH more difficult.
here is a MySQL code example which generates the the calendar on our website. its quite simple:
PHP Code:
<?php
        $dbh = mysql_connect ("localhost", "username goes here", "password here") or die ('the database has gone to hell: ');
        mysql_select_db ("geargrin_geargrin", $dbh);
        $query = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM `calendar` ORDER BY year, month, day", $dbh);
        while ($result = mysql_fetch_array($query)) {
          $description = $result['description'];
          $location = $result['location'];
          
          $year = $result['year'];
          $month = $result['month'];
          $day = $result['day'];
          print("<tr>\n");
          print("<td width=100px class=\"calendar_box\"><div class=\"date\"> $month/$day/$year </div></td>\n");
          print("<td width=300px class=\"calendar_box\"><div class=\"description\"> $description </div></td>\n");
          print("<td width=150px class=\"calendar_box\"><div class=\"description\"> $location </div></td>\n");
          print("</tr>");
        }
        ?>

iamnafets 04-01-2004 13:34
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Thanks, I'll try out both of those editors. As for my code, I wrote 2 scripts, filewriter and filereader so all I have to do is say explode(";:;",Filreader(day)) and I've got the array with all the data. But that is quite small code for a calendar. Very nice. Mine looks like this:
Code:
<?php
if(###############)){
        $userteam=UserTeam($robotuser);
        $now=getdate();
        if(!$curmon){
                $curmon=$now["mon"];
        }
        if($curmon>7){
                $year=2003;
        }else{
                $year=2004;
        }
        $months=array("January","February","March","April","May","June","July","August","September","October","November","December");
        $weekdays=array("Monday"=>1,"Tuesday"=>2,"Wednesday"=>3,"Thursday"=>4,"Friday"=>5,"Saturday"=>6,"Sunday"=>7);
        $content.="<h1><center>Calendar</center></h1>";
        $teams=UserTeam($robotuser);
        $content.="<table width=600 border=0 frame=box rules=none cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0><tr><td valign=bottom><h2>";
        if($curmon==1){
                $content.="<a href=index.php?page=calendar&curmon=12><< </a>";
        }else{
                $content.="<a href=index.php?page=calendar&curmon=";
                $content.= $curmon-1;
                $content.= "><< </a>";
        }
        $content.=$months[$curmon-1]." $year";
        if($curmon==12){
                $content.="<a href=index.php?page=calendar&curmon=1> >></a>";
        }else{
                $content.="<a href=index.php?page=calendar&curmon=";
                $content.= $curmon+1;
                $content.= "> >></a>";
        }
        $content.="</h2></td><td nowrap valign=bottom align=right><table border=0 cellpadding=1 cellspacing=1><tr><td nowrap bgcolor=660000 width=50 align=center><font size=-5>Not Pertianing to You</td><td bgcolor=000066 width=50 nowrap align=center><font size=-4>Pertaining to You</td></tr></table></td></tr></table>";
        $contents=ReadDirectory("Data/Calendar/".$months[$curmon-1]."/");
        if($contents){
                foreach($contents as $key=>$file){
                        $theday=explode(";:;",FileReader("Data/Calendar/".$months[$curmon-1]."/".$file));
                        foreach($theday as $key=>$value){
                                if($value)$calendar[$file][]=explode("+=-",$value);
                        }
                }
        }
        //Get day of week for first day
        $then=getdate(mktime(0,0,0,$curmon,1,$year));
        $dowfirst=$weekdays[$then["weekday"]];
        $content.="<table width=600 border=0 cellpadding=1 cellspacing=1><tr>";
        foreach($weekdays as $key=>$value){
                $content.="<td width=85 bgcolor=006600><center>$key</center></td>";
        }
        $content.="</tr>";
        if($curmon==4 or $curmon==6 or $curmon==11){
                $maxdays=30;
        }else if($curmon==2){
                if($now["year"]%4==0){
                        $maxdays=29;
                }else{
                        $maxdays=28;
                }
        }else{
                $maxdays=31;
        }
        $currentwday=1;
        while($currentwday<$dowfirst){
                $content.="<td></td>";
                $currentwday++;
        }
        for($x=1;$x<=$maxdays;$x++){
                $content.="<td height=50 align=center valign=center bgcolor=";
                $escierto=false;
                if($calendar[$x]){
                        foreach($calendar[$x] as $key=>$value){
                                $hello=ParseTeam($calendar[$x][$key][4]);
                                for($y=1;$y<=15;$y++){
                                        if($hello[$y]==1 && $userteam[$y]==1){
                                                $escierto=true;
                                        }
                                }
                        }
                        if($escierto){
                                $content.="000066";
                        }else{
                                $content.="660000";
                        }
                }else{
                        $content.="white";
                }
                //END COLOR CODING STUFF
                $content.="><font color=";
                if(!$calendar[$x]){
                        $content.="black";
                }else{
                        $content.="white";
                }
                $content.=">";
                if($calendar[$x]){
                        $content.="<a href=\"index.php?page=calendar&curmon=$curmon&view=$x\">$x</a>";
                }else{
                        $content.="$x";
                }
                $content.="</font></td>";
                if($currentwday>=7){
                        $content.="</tr><tr>";
                        $currentwday=0;
                }
                $currentwday++;
        }
        $content.="</tr></table><center>- <a href=index.php?page=addevent>Add an Event</a> - <br>";
        if($view){
                $allday=explode(";:;",FileReader("Data/Calendar/".$months[$curmon-1]."/$view"));
                foreach($allday as $key=>$value){
                        $event=explode("+=-",$value);
                        $content.="<table border=1 frame=box rules=none cellpadding=1 cellspacing=1><tr><td bgcolor=006600 width=150><font color=white>Subject:</td><td>$event[0]</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=006600 width=150><font color=white>Time:</td><td width=150>$event[1]</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor=006600 width=150><font color=white>Location:</td><td width=450>$event[2]</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2>$event[3]</td></tr><tr><td colspan=2 align=center> - <a href=index.php?page=reschedule&day=$view&id=$key&month=";
$content.=$months[$curmon-1];
$content.=">Reschedule</a> -</td></tr></table>";
                }
        }
}else{
$content.="<h1><center>Restricted</center></h1>You are denied access to this page until you login.  Please use the navigation on the left to login.";
}
       
?>
And I've got 2 other files to manage reschedules and adding events :). Man I've got no life.

EDIT: I checked out the Dev-PHP IDE, very nice I like it. All the standard functions, line numbers, and the right TABBING! I may be converted.

Aignam 04-01-2004 13:49
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
::raises hand::

Though most people I talk to are partial to Fireworks for tables and such, Notepad is my one and only. ;)

Trashed20 04-01-2004 14:09
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
http://www.lightningrobotics.com

When I first started coding this I used only Notepad. It is completly hand writen php/mysql. Text files are really hard on the server and can be very slow. Mysql works for our uses. I like it.

As the site started to grow we got many more pages, and haveing 18 instances of notepad open just didn't work. I got a copy of dreamweaver and use it as a text editor. I only use it because it has tabbed files and Ctrl+S saves. Very useful to switch back and forth between files. The syntax hylighting isn't all that great, and doesn't do html highlighting in echo tags to its pretty useless. So, its still a notepad of sorts, with so many functions i never use. I still write it all by hand to keep the code clean. Front page turned me off to any cookie cutter programs.

Duke13370 now webmasters the site and i'm not sure what he uses, but i'm assuming a text editor of some sort.

iamnafets 04-01-2004 14:26
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
I've noticed unless you are using them wrong, IE one huge text file for all your data, you really don't run into those performance problems. All my pages load in under 20 ms on a 450 mhz server, I wonder if anyone has benchmarked this.

Gui Cavalcanti 04-01-2004 21:27
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Yeah, our webmaster does the site completely in notepad too:

Home of the Mech Techs

Fun stuff.

iamnafets 04-01-2004 22:31
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Cool! the only thing I have to ask you is what is the little dude on the bottom right-hand corner? And another thing, the comics are really cool, in fact I happen to be one of the idiot soldering on the floor when I picked it up by the wrong end and had this nasty swell/burn/pus blob on the palm of my hand. Ya... But the second comic, well ya...

piotrm 04-01-2004 22:35
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Does emacs count as plain text editing ? It has great syntax highlighting, works very well for perl and html, or anything else since one can make up a custom syntax highlighting scheme to use in it.

iamnafets 04-01-2004 23:00
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
You may be right, I was on Linux for a very short time and maybe I've mixed up emacs for something else. Meh. I stand corrected.

Noah 05-01-2004 05:47
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Until very recently notepad was my only editor. Recently, however, I started dealing with files coming from a linux environment, and notepad doesn't like thier line breaks...

So, I have recently become converted to Crimson Editor. It's basically a notepad with a few extra features: php syntax highlighting, being able to open multiple files at once in one window via tabs, significantly better file management. (It detects when other programs alter a file you have open! How often have you had two copies of notepad running at the same time editing the same page and overwritten something you did earlier?)

You should notice, however, that none of these features do anything in terms of wysiwyg editing or such nonsense. As of yet, no wysuwyg editor has an interface that is intuitive enough that it can match my production speed typing raw html.

It's a matter of knowing what you want. Sure, I could design in Dreamweaver, but I always end up wanting to tweak some obscure table setting or style property and having to wade through too much junk to do it. Now, especially with the added functionality of Crimson, I can fly reasonably well through source code.

Trashed20 05-01-2004 12:03
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ i presume?

I'll have to check it out. Seems to have all the stuff i use in dreamweaver without all the bloat. I may have to switch ;) Thanks!

Duke 13370 05-01-2004 13:44
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
As trashed said, i'm now the webmaster for our team, (along with Wally, but i don't think he registered here) i used to only use notepad, but after opening too many windows, i found VS.net was better. The only difference is it's tabbed, it doesn't do syntax hylighting (well, i could set it to, but i never have) or any other fancy stuff. I still use notepad if i have to just change a couple lines, but not too much.

Jeremy_Mc 05-01-2004 14:19
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
I usually use metapad (google for 'metapad'). It handles Linux files with ease. No syntax highlighting, but after getting use to not having it, it's really distracting to use something like UltraPad... :(

If I'm on Linux (which isn't exactly a rare occurance...) then I usually use nano. It's quick, easy, and lacks any sort of complicated command structure. I like vi, but I'm WAYYYY to lazy to learn anything past the open and save commands. :p

MichalSkiba 05-01-2004 21:09
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Textpad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (vr. 4.0)

I use it for everything (except typing report, for that theres openoffice). For all you Polakz out there, theres a Polish version avalible.

I'm not sure about PHP and such, but it does automatic tabing and syntax/keyword highlighting for C/C++ files. Its got neat auto-tabbing that adjusts to however much you indented on the previous line. It has neat side bars and there are tabs that allow you to have multiple files open in one "IDE". Best of all, it absolutly free!!!!!!! (and theres a Polish translation!!!!)


Oh ya, after installing it, if you right click on a file, the option for opening it with textpad is in the main option bar (in XP). enjoy!

Stephen Kowski 05-01-2004 21:55
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
bah I use VS.NET or Dreamweaver whatever the situation needs......if im making a house I'm not going to pound the nails in with my fist, im going to use a tool to make the job easier.

iamnafets 05-01-2004 22:33
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Excuse me, there is great satisfaction from building a handhammered house. Like the glory of "wow, he did that with that?!"

Trashed20 06-01-2004 09:38
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamnafets
Excuse me, there is great satisfaction from building a handhammered house. Like the glory of "wow, he did that with that?!"
And "That is one proud man with a bloody lump of flesh he used to call a hand"

Aaron Knight 06-01-2004 19:28
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Meh

I'm not one to talk about hand-coding, as I use Adobe GoLive CS for a lot of stuff, but I primarily hand-code using PageSpinner (mac) just because of syntax coloring :)

Not to say Notepad isn't worth using, but I get really really sick of downloading files from the server to do quick edits on a PC at school just to find it ignored all 100+ line breaks in the page I want to edit........

I must say I am partial to syntax coloring, as well as the somewhat more visual process available in GoLive et al. for very quick edits. Notepad as a simple dev tool is ok, but there are many better non-"cheating" methods of web design that are more efficient. Text editors with syntax coloring are still text editors and you're still hand-coding....

iamnafets 06-01-2004 22:15
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aaron Knight
Meh

I'm not one to talk about hand-coding, as I use Adobe GoLive CS for a lot of stuff, but I primarily hand-code using PageSpinner (mac) just because of syntax coloring :)

Not to say Notepad isn't worth using, but I get really really sick of downloading files from the server to do quick edits on a PC at school just to find it ignored all 100+ line breaks in the page I want to edit........

I must say I am partial to syntax coloring, as well as the somewhat more visual process available in GoLive et al. for very quick edits. Notepad as a simple dev tool is ok, but there are many better non-"cheating" methods of web design that are more efficient. Text editors with syntax coloring are still text editors and you're still hand-coding....
I never really run into problems with the line breaks because all my stuff is done in the same program. And I usually do it on a network share or via a utility I ported to windows called My Shell I think, though I call it Teldos. It's got a nifty editor that works really well for web edits especially if you're working with server-side stuff that can't be run on your client machine without additional software. If anyone wants a copy, I'd be glad to email you mine, but I've somewhat customized it to my needs so you'd have to remove some of that. I don't really mind editors with syntax editing, I think they all fit in the category of hand coding as you say, and I've really gotten to like Dev-PHP as mentioned earlier by one of the users of this thread (I think Sanddrag) mostly because I can now tab entire paragraphs when I want to add a simple error detection if to encompass the whole page and not mess up my beautiful hierarchy. But syntax highlighting is just too arbitrary to be useful for me except when I leave a quote open and the rest of the page turns green making it quite easy to find...

little-lulu88 12-01-2004 17:02
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
http://www.tj2.org

I coded the site entirely by hand on notepad... but then again, I don't concern myself with anything too difficult. I just make things look nice :D


-Lulu

dragonpaulz 12-01-2004 17:11
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Why use a text editor? Some of us are pushed for time and using a wysiwyg like dreamweaver you speed up the process of designing.

Michael Auchter 12-01-2004 21:46
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Notepad? Bah!
phire.org
it isn't my team's site, but phire.org is mine.
it was coded entirely in vi, in a combination of php/html, with text file operations. although, it doesn't look complex on the outside, the backend is the bulk of the code. there is a link to it on the site if anyone needs a nice news posting script.

iamnafets 13-01-2004 16:20
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Nice. Yes, the backend for our site is amazingly complex, so far to the point that it's worthless.

deltacoder1020 15-01-2004 01:22
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Crimson Editor is a GREAT barebones-text editor, and the support of defining your own language syntax specifications can be nice too.

If you're using a Mac, I highly recommend (read: you really really really should) checking out SubEthaEdit, on www.codingmonkeys.de - not only is it a fast and slim text editor with syntax highlighting, it also allows you to use Rendezvous to have multiple people working in the same document at one time - this creates ample opportunities for some really interesting programming dynamics.

Oh, and you want to see hand-coding? Take a peek at the site I'm developing along with a friend at www.vectorray.com - it's not quite finished yet, but yes, every inch of that site was hand-coded, mostly in SubEthaEdit (okay, images are an exception, but they *were* self-done in Photoshop). Feel free to send comments on the site to webmaster@vectorray.com :)

evulish 15-01-2004 03:40
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Whoever said emacs.. eww :P I do all of my editing directly on my server so I use vi when I plan on doing a lot of work (with syntax hl'ing on, of course) or I use mcedit for simple fixes. I don't use an IDE for any type of programming I do.. mostly PHP, but still. The first two links in my sig are the sites I made.. nothing special. I'm more of a programming guy than a creative guy.. the PHP for my site is way more impressive :P (There's so much stuff on my site I don't link to.. forum, BBS, calendar, image gallery, shopping cart, a couple games)

Phish32786 20-01-2004 11:01
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Our website is just starting off and whatever but my buddy who did the design did it all in Dreamweaver. Not that is hardcore or anything but I think it came out nicely. Anyways I do all the little notes and blah blah blah in notepad. I think useing programs like Dreamweaver makes it real easy for people to learn HTML if your too lazy to pick up a book and read about it. Plus with PHP and mySQL you really can't use anything but a notepad or equivlent to edit/make those parts. :D

DarkAlex 20-01-2004 11:13
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
I used some non-notepad things for my sites at first, but that I found that it was counterproductive when it came to minimizing file size and combining different text. Notepad is really useful just because it can do almost anything and it doesn't care, or know, when you use different languages in the same document. I have never used anything but notepad to write my non-HTML commands. I'm actually currently redesigning a website, in notepad, so that it runs mostly in the external JavaScripts, risky because some might not have Javascripts enabled, but there is a huge benefit because it makes it so that the files are only about 127 bytes for the entire page. (Reference a JavaScript at the beginning and another at the end and the entire page is constructed, minus the content.)

Trashed20 20-01-2004 11:19
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phish32786
Our website is just starting off and whatever but my buddy who did the design did it all in Dreamweaver. Not that is hardcore or anything but I think it came out nicely. Anyways I do all the little notes and blah blah blah in notepad. I think useing programs like Dreamweaver makes it real easy for people to learn HTML if your too lazy to pick up a book and read about it. Plus with PHP and mySQL you really can't use anything but a notepad or equivlent to edit/make those parts. :D
Actually, Dreamweaver can do some mySQL and PHP for you, but most users wouldn't want to figure out how, or find it too limiting. Hand coding is the shizzle :)

Dave Hurt 20-01-2004 11:23
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Oh, let's see... mostly dreamweaver, crimson editor, and visual studio.net 2003. Dreamweaver is very nice for doing rapid development work, building up forms and such. I absolutly hate using the php code that dreamweaver generates, unless I have to. It's just so ugly. The best thing I like about dreamweaver mx is you can switch between homesite and dreamweaver styles. There's also a large amount of custom developed plug in's for dreamweaver that make life alot easier. Why do the work when most of it has been done for you?

Anyhow, as for websites I've done... www.bane-online.com, www.ribcrackers.org, www.international3d.org. All in php with mysql backend. Unfortunaly, everything thing I've done in asp.net is on the corporate intranet, so I can't show that off. Cool stuff though...

Guest 02-02-2004 21:52
Notepad + vi + PHP + My own database class = NRG site
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iamnafets
I would like to know how many other webmasters out there do their site design COMPLETELY in notepad. Yes, flash for flash and whatever for image editing but everything else notepad. Please post a link so I can see. I get great satisfaction seeing something pretty coming out of such a low level utility. Extra points if you use PHP or a server-side langauge and use a text file database instead of a wussy MySQL database.
I'm the webmaster for my team's website, and I code in Notepad only (wait - and sometimes I use vi when I'm using telnet... anyway...). Our site is:
http://nrg.chaosnet.org/

Extra points:
I use PHP.
I wrote my own database class to store/retrieve data, not MySQL.

D.Viddy 03-02-2004 03:19
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Please don't claim notepad when you use some kind of SH program. I design professional websites for companies and I do all of my ASP (VBScript), SQL, JavaScript, and CSS by hand in Dreamweavers code view. Any real web developer knows that anyone dumb enough to use straight notepad is just that, DUMB. So come on, you aren't impressing anyone by claiming notepad. Tell us what you really use. Oh yeah and by the way our site is:

http://www.codebend.net/robotics998/
http://www.codebend.net

Remember both of these sites were written in Dreamweaver's Code View and are entirely database driven. Thanks

Jeremy_Mc 03-02-2004 16:47
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by D.Viddy
Please don't claim notepad when you use some kind of SH program. I design professional websites for companies and I do all of my ASP (VBScript), SQL, JavaScript, and CSS by hand in Dreamweavers code view. Any real web developer knows that anyone dumb enough to use straight notepad is just that, DUMB. So come on, you aren't impressing anyone by claiming notepad. Tell us what you really use. Oh yeah and by the way our site is:

http://www.codebend.net/robotics998/
http://www.codebend.net

Remember both of these sites were written in Dreamweaver's Code View and are entirely database driven. Thanks
I'm not sure who _you_ were aiming to impress by this post...I, too, design "professional websites" for companies, but I use a notepad-like editor (it just supports *nix formatted files).

Not to say using Dreamweaver is "dumb" but it IS to say some people don't need to be told what a string is by coloring it red and where the keywords are by making them blue. I also don't need to be able to generate code or use auto-complete. I'm comfortable enough to use a plain-text editor to type it out plain and simple.

Dave Hurt 03-02-2004 17:10
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
The reason I don't code in notepad is it doesn't format the code. Dreamweaver, crimson editore, and studio.net all do that. Anyways, isn't the programmers motto program smarter, not harder? Why reinvent the wheel, when things have already been done and are available to you?

ZeoFateX 03-02-2004 17:43
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
I only use notepad heh http://www.montvillecompclub.org our computer club website. Not full functional yet since it's new ^_^

Jeremy_Mc 03-02-2004 17:45
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Hurt
The reason I don't code in notepad is it doesn't format the code. Dreamweaver, crimson editore, and studio.net all do that. Anyways, isn't the programmers motto program smarter, not harder? Why reinvent the wheel, when things have already been done and are available to you?
Is it really that hard to press tab? ;)

And I ask the same question to you...why use some fancy bloatware text editor when you can skim it down? I always thought programmers were all about efficiency, portability, and usability :) I don't see how if you get pampered by a SH program with 300 toolbars and keyboard shortcuts for everything (including "Ctrl+Shift+C for warm Cappucino") that you'll be able to survive in an environment without anything that fancy?

Don't attack me! :p I'm just posing a question.

Aignam 03-02-2004 18:42
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_Mc
Is it really that hard to press tab? ;)

And I ask the same question to you...why use some fancy bloatware text editor when you can skim it down? I always thought programmers were all about efficiency, portability, and usability :) I don't see how if you get pampered by a SH program with 300 toolbars and keyboard shortcuts for everything (including "Ctrl+Shift+C for warm Cappucino") that you'll be able to survive in an environment without anything that fancy?

Don't attack me! :p I'm just posing a question.
I agree. In a sleeper web design class that I used to meet computer requirements, my teacher forced us to do some assignments in Microsoft Frontpage. I was a bit upset and dismayed over this, so I used Frontpage's nifty 'insert custom code' feature, and typed in my html there. Needless to say, Mrs. xxx didn't like that one bit..

ZeoFateX 03-02-2004 19:27
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Personally, I can't stand front page... it doesn't allow me to customise stuff the way I want -- it inserts $@#$@#$@#$@# where I don't need it, same with Dreamweaver...

MissAbi 03-02-2004 19:34
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
For my E100 class at U-M Dearborn, we're confined to notepad. Here is what I have so far: www.engin.umd.umich.edu/~abigayle

D.Viddy 03-02-2004 20:16
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_Mc
Is it really that hard to press tab? ;)

And I ask the same question to you...why use some fancy bloatware text editor when you can skim it down? I always thought programmers were all about efficiency, portability, and usability :) I don't see how if you get pampered by a SH program with 300 toolbars and keyboard shortcuts for everything (including "Ctrl+Shift+C for warm Cappucino") that you'll be able to survive in an environment without anything that fancy?

Don't attack me! :p I'm just posing a question.
Yeah I would really hate to be effiecient by using a "bloatware" application. Plus I'm not trying to impress you boners. Bye

DrWorm 03-02-2004 21:22
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Let me just say....

VI Forever!!!

:)

Really, it's hard to use at first, but once you get the hang of it, you can edit REALLY fast, and the syntax highlighting makes it easy to read.

I mean really... Notepad? What if my PHP code has an error on line 529?

How do you get to 529 quickly in notepad? I just hit :529[enter].

And yes, theres a Windows version.

So, if you ever have a few hours to spare, download it and try to learn it. In the long run, you may be glad that you did.

Or you may end up hating it a lot.

- Sharp
:wq

Jeremy_Mc 03-02-2004 21:31
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWorm
Let me just say....

VI Forever!!!

:)

Really, it's hard to use at first, but once you get the hang of it, you can edit REALLY fast, and the syntax highlighting makes it easy to read.

I mean really... Notepad? What if my PHP code has an error on line 529?

How do you get to 529 quickly in notepad? I just hit :529[enter].

And yes, theres a Windows version.

So, if you ever have a few hours to spare, download it and try to learn it. In the long run, you may be glad that you did.

Or you may end up hating it a lot.

- Sharp
:wq
For windows, I really must recommend elvis.

http://elvis.the-little-red-haired-girl.org

I must say it's my preferred vi clone for windows. vim is a good one, too.

Dave Hurt 04-02-2004 21:05
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Well, when it comes down to it, you'll use whatever you want. The time that I save by not having to hit the tab key when I code is valuable time for me. I use studio.net more then dreamweaver, but the best part about dreamweaver is how fast you can build forms and such. A couple clicks, and I'm saved half an hour trying to remember all the options I need. Dreamweaver code doesn't get ugly till you start adding in php or asp behaviors.

The other reason to use Dreamweaver, at least for me, is using plugins. I have quite a few plugins that do anything from upload a file, resize an image, or create a shopping cart for use with pay pal. All's I'm saying is don't get so burried in thinking you need to do all of your code, and all of it by hand. Take every opertunity to use existing code and programs to make your life easier. It pays off.

velocipenguin 04-02-2004 21:15
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
My editor of choice is vi; it's small, doesn't have visual clutter, and is terrifically fast once you learn the commands. Using other editors tends to throw me off, though; the C++ class I'm taking requires the use of Visual Studio .NET, and I still haven't managed to learn that I need to use Ctrl-S instead of :w to save my work. I've been having similar problems with the MPLAB IDE, too. My opinion is that the speed advantages afforded by the use of vi offset the awkwardness I encounter on those rare occasions when I am forced to use other editors.

rdsideresistanc 04-02-2004 23:07
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
here is our site http://www.team825.com/

The main layout was done by one of our drafting guys in Macromedia Studio MX, but everything else that's loaded into the iframes was written by yours truly in NOTEPAD in PHP HTML and CSS. I love notepad. However, I used SQL server 2000 to do all the database junk, such as easy update calendar and news sections.

Cheers,
Joel

HFWang 06-02-2004 04:25
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
I use sciTE and html-kit for smaller things (html-kit for fast html mockups, sciTE for real coding). Then eclipse with a php plugin for those huge OO PHP monstrosities that are all the rage these days...

I really like using sciTE though. Code folding and high configurable mean happy wulfs. And happy wulfs are... less likely to make strange coding mistakes I guess...

But real men, they do everything in hexadecimal. Why, photoshop? Its a crutch for the WEAK.

deltacoder1020 06-02-2004 14:10
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdsideresistanc
here is our site http://www.team825.com/

The main layout was done by one of our drafting guys in Macromedia Studio MX, but everything else that's loaded into the iframes was written by yours truly in NOTEPAD in PHP HTML and CSS. I love notepad. However, I used SQL server 2000 to do all the database junk, such as easy update calendar and news sections.

Cheers,
Joel
you really don't need an iframe there - all of your content fits into the area allocated, and you could alwaus just make the area expand downwards for times when there is a large amount of text.

it's generally not a good idea to present the user with multiple scrollbars just so that they can see the content of the page.

other than that, it looks great.

Jeremy_Mc 06-02-2004 14:16
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deltacoder1020
you really don't need an iframe there - all of your content fits into the area allocated, and you could alwaus just make the area expand downwards for times when there is a large amount of text.

it's generally not a good idea to present the user with multiple scrollbars just so that they can see the content of the page.

other than that, it looks great.
Or if they're really stuck on the iframe look, they could use a CSS element with overflow on auto.

Roland 15-02-2004 18:52
Re: Notepad Baby!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeoFateX
it inserts $@#$@#$@#$@# where I don't need it
Is that Perl? ;)


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