Re: Ball or Bar
 

I agree - the is not much you can do to crush your opponent this year - you cant descore their goals (like you could descore containers last year)

you cant stop your opponent from having its 6 starting balls

its unlikely you will be able to play keepaway with all three 2X balls

you cant stop the balls from dropping at T=45

and if someone has a quick and effective ball collector, you wont be able to stop them from zipping all over the field and collecting them, or delivering them to one side or the other - soon as you make a dash for the bar, the corral will be open

in fact, once you are up on the bar, it would be hard to stop someone else from grabbing it too. its what? 10 feet wide?

Re: Ball or Bar
 

We are going to...or we plan to hang on the bar at the end and pick up the multiplier ball. We aren't going to collect the smaller balls but we are goin to herd them, and we haven't really discussed picking up the 10pt ball, (Personally, i dont think it is that crucial)

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Actually, get a halfback. At Mancester, Jason Morrella shot basketball style and missed alot, and the lady on the other side did soccer throw-in style, and made 99% of them.


As for 116, we are looking into having our robot grab two 2x balls and retain them durring autonomus time, as well as knocking 2 of the 10 point balls from one side back onto our side of the field. There will also be a herding feature so we can scour the other side of balls. We would be draging our goal behind us, and grab the other goal on the way to the other side. We would then feed the human players all the small balls, then drive and move goals some as nessicary. We would also have the ability to hang from the bar and put a 2x on top of either stationary goal.


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can YOUR robot do that?

Re: Ball or Bar
 

yeah but can your robot make popcorn too?

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Unfortunatly, some functionality had to be sacraficed to make room for the doughnut warmer.

I wish we could have eveything, but we decided that it would be easier to just bring a microwave again.

Wetzel

Re: Ball or Bar
 

As for 116, we are looking into having our robot grab two 2x balls and retain them durring autonomus time, as well as knocking 2 of the 10 point balls from one side back onto our side of the field. There will also be a herding feature so we can scour the other side of balls. We would be draging our goal behind us, and grab the other goal on the way to the other side. We would then feed the human players all the small balls, then drive and move goals some as nessicary. We would also have the ability to hang from the bar and put a 2x on top of either stationary goal.


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can YOUR robot do that?[/quote]

That is actually a lot of things to do. But I am wondering wat would happen if u are on the same side that another robot will come in from the other side. plus, having a robot do all those functions is quite a lot. Shouldnt it be better to just concentrate on the ball. I have been studying the layout of the lower and upper deck. It is possible to ram the lower deck and get over it. But to reach the upper deck is quite difficult because of the 1 ft difference to the upper deck. Just something i had in mind

Re: Ball or Bar
 

i take it the sarcasm was missed.

Re: Ball or Bar
 

What sarcasam?
We would like our robot to be able to do everything.


Wetzel
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Youthful optimisim.
:cool:

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Why waste you time pickin up balls when noone will let you score them????

Re: Ball or Bar
 

In (Zone Zeal), the (small balls) were dependent on your robots (goal) control. If your robot could control the (goals), your opponents (ball control) was meaningless. Throw in the added option of ending the game (in your home zone), and you control the entire match.

In (Stack Attack), the (stacks) were dependent on your robots (bin) control. If your robot could control the (bins), your opponents (stacking capabilty) was meaningless. Throw in the added option of ending the game (on the ramp), and you control the entire match.

In (First Frenzy), the (2x balls) are dependent on your robots (small ball) control. If your robot can control the (small balls), your opponents (goal capping) is meaningless. Throw in the added option of ending the game (on the bar), and you control the entire match.

I think people are underestimating small ball control. By controlling small balls, you essentialy control the entire match.

-Mike B.

Re: Ball or Bar
 

For those still looking for ideas, I suggest the 710 match from 2001 -

http://cb2003.cyberblue234.com/downl...d_mwr_710.mpeg

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Ball control. small and large. Its a winning combination when you factor in how easy it is to stop BOTH of your opponents from hanging by dominating the platform. that will screw 100 points out of your opponents without the use of any special add on to your robot. collecting small balls and capping it is good points that your opponent can't defend against too much.

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Well, I'll go ahead and post it in this thread. I'm glad to see that this year everyone's not so "Don't Tell!" and more "Let's share ideas"

We're focusing mainly on 2 things: Balls. And Balls.

We're pulling alot of our designs from last year's bot, but heavily modified, with some new additions. We're shooting for:
-Herding small balls
-Working with the 2X balls on the movable goals
-Grabbing goals (<That one's a peice of cake, it kinda goes with our 2X ball)

Anyway, we're avoiding the platform/bar entirely. We thought hard about the bar, and basically figured it wasn't worth it.
We figured the 50 points means nothing in your QP if you win. It means 50 points to the winning team if you lose. That on top of having our bot be redesigned for the platform, among other things just made it a big no-no. A simple bot with a small variety of choices works well. We have also balanced our offence and defence, the same way we've balanced our speed and torque.

Re: Ball or Bar
 

First post ever. From the impression that I got when we were discussing it at one of the meetings, we are going by priorities if we finish something and still have room and weight left over we will make the next peice on the list. In the order of:
1. Small Ball collector & plow/corraler
2. Big ball arm
3. bar hanger device

Re: Ball or Bar
 

Just one thing, if you don't plan your mechanisms in the first stages of design, they probably won't get done, and if they do, they wont work that well.

Just a thought...