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Jason Morrella 09-02-2002 19:37

very gracious bot
 
The 60 robot is anything but an "attack bot". If they are able to lift the goals and have the time/ability to make them rotate, there is nothing wrong with that. In one scenario, they might be stationary or moving towards a scoring zone and another robot drives itself into those goals (or tries to attack 60), that is not the fault of 60. However, in another scenario, if 60 got the goals rotating and then started moving towards and after robots in order to bash them with the goals, then yes, I would agree they would be "attacking".
This is one of the teams we know very well, and can predict with great confidence that they have probably planned on scenario one and have no intention of "attacking" robots. My take is that they designed this ability to rotate the goals as 'encouragement' or a deterrent to attack robots to leave them alone - basically, I think they built the "anti-attack robot" robot. If so, I think it's brilliant.

Another year, another great Kingman robot.
Congrats to the Bionic Bulldogs.

nick reynolds 09-02-2002 19:56

Amazing job team 60. Hats off to the design team and the people who built it.

Mr. Van 09-02-2002 20:01

Scoring - not attack/defense
 
It seems to me that the ability to rotate the goals would make it very easy to move them into (or out of) scoring zones as needed... I don't think the Bulldogs were thinking of swinging goals around to hit other robots either in attack or defense. I can't imagine Glenn or his team doing anything like that. Sure, they will play hard, but not mean.

-Mr. Van

Wetzel 09-02-2002 20:13

I saw the spining and though of Son of Wyachi. Yes that is a Battlebot, but I lok at it as a succesful engineered machine.
I think that defense entered into the mind of whomever was designing it. Looking forward to seeing them at nats.

Joe Ross 09-02-2002 20:17

Are you able to pick up one goal without having the other one to balance it?

Sean_330 09-02-2002 21:22

Team 60, as usual you guys did a great job and built an awesome machine. It looks like you are going to give all those east coast teams a run for their money.

Cody_538 10-02-2002 00:25

Quote:

Are you able to pick up one goal without having the other one to balance it?
I was going to ask the same question. I showed some of my team members and engineers the picture and they saw two problems:
1. How to get in between both goals.
2. And if you robot can only pick up one goal instead of two.


Cody, Team #538, AHS Dragonlsayers

nick reynolds 10-02-2002 00:44

The answer is visable. The center boom rotates so it would be possible to just grab one goal and drive it around. The robot just has to back into the 2nd goal and then lift both. To me it looks very simple (after the fact) and then it rotates them to any angle or spins for protection.
To me its weakest point looks like the tires on the wheels and the width of the wheels. they seem to have built a TANK on a bicycle, I may be wrong but I wish it was our bot.
I dont think their planning on a spining defense becase with a 181lbs of Goal on the other arm flying around is going to continue if the other side is sudenly stoped by another robot or Goal being pushed into it.
It will be interesting to see how they handle them selves.
Nick .02c

ggoldman 10-02-2002 00:45

alTHOUGH TEAM 60'S ROBOT LOOKS GREAT...


I for one am not scared...

Every robot can be beat...and it seems that team 60's disadvantage will be thier speed off the block.

It looks like they are situated witha 60" base...there fore they need to take time to get their robot level.

Now what would happen if another bot grabbed their goals before they got there?

That would debunk their whole strategy.

And If another two gaol grabbing robot has those goals..and team 60 grabs on and tries to rotate the goals out of em...That will most likely be called a DQ for intentional damage.

At least i would call it that..

Every team can be beat...

But no one can beat the mathematics behind the game

Gabe G.
Head of Design Team
Team 384

team60 10-02-2002 01:17

More to Come!!
 
I would just like to remind everyone that our webpage has many more pictures of our 2002 Bionic Bulldog. Also, keep checking the Chief Delphi Gallery for more pictures, because there are more to come in the next few days. Good luck to all of you in these last few days of building time, and all of us at Team 60 look forward to seeing everyone at competition!

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Here it is!! The 02 Bionic Bulldog from Team 60. Check out our web page for more pics. http://www.team60.nethttp://www.team60.net

AdamT 10-02-2002 01:31

How come I can never get to any other 2002. What looks like it should be a link isn't.

Wetzel 10-02-2002 01:55

Indeed, where are these pictures of you robot? The only ones there are of 2001.

<Edit>Found them.Found them They were rather hidden. </edit>

Anton Abaya 10-02-2002 03:55

hey! great job team 60!

when's the consumer model coming out? ;)

can't wait to see it!

-anton

Wayne Doenges 10-02-2002 08:40

I see the same problem that Cody from Team 538 saw.
Maximum width of robot...30". Distance between goals...32".
With there grippers up and their arm 90 degrees to the body of robot the end of the arms may fit between goals but there won't be any way they can lower their grippers.
If they lower their grippers, they may be able to grab the front of the goals (front being the side that faces them) but than when the rotate the arm one goal will pivot in the gripper. The other goal will lodge against their robot.
I can see no way that there robot can grab 2 goals at the same time.

Wayne Doenges

Ken Leung 10-02-2002 10:04

If you just take your time and think about it...
 
If you just take your time and think about it, this robot’s hooks are obviously wider than 30". Notice I say hooks instead of their arm.

Their yellow rotating arm will start with a initial position of point toward the corner of the robot. This way, that arm's length is actually diagonal of the robot base.

Then, the silver hooks actually start with an initial position of pointing upward. Those hooks' pivot is between the two "60" plate in the center, and it can drop down onto the rotating yellow arm anytime during the match, and sit on the seat motor attachment for lifting goals. So, really, those hooks have a potential length of 3~3.5 feet on each side, making a total width of about 6~7 feet. I think that's enough to grab two goals.

I think team 60 is just a little smarter than building a robot that doesn't work. ;)

While questions about their robot are great, I think we ought to hold back some of the negative comments. There is always something we can learn from this robot (and any other teams’). Team 60 is willing to share information about their robot even though they didn't have to. Let's applause them for a job well done.


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