Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Ok Mike, since you obviously dont believe that we know what we're talking about, and you apparently have no desire to confirm this on your own, I'll do it for you. (Please note, we arent trying to be rude, we're trying to help you!)

First, let us visit "5.3.1 FIRST Provided Kit of Parts
FIRST provides each team a Kit of Parts. Only the exact parts provided in the Kit (or their exact replacement)
are considered as Kit Parts."

That motor was not in the 2004 KOP. It was in the 2002 KOP. It is not its exact replacement, either.

Next is "<R70> Specific items NOT allowed include: Electric motors different from or in addition to those in the Kit."

That motor is different than those in the kit.

Let's next refer to the flow chart. Jump straight to the "Kit part?" which it is not. Follow the chart on down to "Electronics" is the part a motor? yes, it is. move on to the bottom and we see it cant be used.

If there is still *any* doubt, lets refer to the Q&A system.

"Section: 5.2.5 Status: Answered Date Answered: 1/12/2004
Q: Can we use the old Atwoods with the geared output shafts? These were the original configuration Atwoods when they were first introduced.

A: R09 clearly states previous years' motors must be the same identical motor as in the 2004 kit; therefore the old Atwood motors from 2002 cannot be used."

There you have it.

Cory

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

As final clarification, upon inspection of those motors via pictures there is "Atwood Mobile" written on top line on the side. The new motors in the kit have no such lettering, and only have "CIM" written on the side.

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

well there is one thing that points to have new CIMs motors, the older motors with geared shafts have red and yellow wires. The CIMs with the key way shafts have red and black, unless they can be swapped, there really is no good view with the other motors. Is there any other closer pics of the motors on the base Mike?

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Ok, why are we even discussing this? It is quite obvious that theyre using the Atwood with the geared output shaft and cluster gear. It is quite obviously illegal. We dont need more pictures. We don't need to debate the legality. Multiple people have pointed out that these motors are indeed illegal. As Mike pointed out, they intend to follow the rules, so Im sure they'll rectify it. Lets leave team 61 to deal with their own business people. We dont need to turn this into a 10 page thread like what happened last year with 68.

Cory

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Ok this motors are not being used

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...2004chips1.JPG

But these are

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...2004_24arm.JPG

we use the old motors to get the gear box set and then we have a the shaft made on the new motors. you can change the shaft to any motors. just like the drill motors we use to do. So I will take a closer picture of the new motor to show you that this was done. The new chip motors do say FIRST Robotic on them


So let talk more about this rest of the robot. I will have more picuters up soon.


I am trying to show new teams how easy it is to make a simple robot. We are not afraid to show our robot. We just want to show how involved our students are in making this robot.

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

as far as memory serves, the RAGE bot has always been made out of wood.

and to 814, i remeber you from nationals. I will never forget what we have affectionately termed the "couch-bot".

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Yahoo, Robot drive train and landing gear is all wired up and our driver drove it today for a good half and hour with no problems! New pics will be posted sometime tonight.

There should be some good ones of the CIM's for all those people who thought we used the wrong ones of something like that.

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...photos2004.htm

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

New pic's of Team 61's robot are up!!

Check them out at http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...photos2004.htm :cool:

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Those wheels look sweet, our machine shop has a programmable mill, however its not working so its not much use to us.

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

Our arm now hit over 14' high. we can hit the bar from far away. just wait until we get the winch pictures up. that is a work of art.

go out and take a look at the web site.


http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...photos2004.htm

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

wow! that is one looooooooong arm.
it looks like you're using wire to change the angle of the arm too..
how many wraps around the drum are you going for that part?
does it have any slip at all?

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

We are using a push pull system.. It's never failed us! Does it slip? not sure what you mean.. but i don't belive it does.

As for wraps i belive there are like 8-10.

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

the arm is always in tension. there are two different cables both are about 14' long. this is a 5" pulley. so we bring in about 15" on each turn. we gear down the globe 3:1.

what brings the arm up and down is the van door motor same style a push pull system. The arm stays in place because of the speed controls hold the van door up from back driving. with this arm we can pull a wheelie in both directions when the wheelie wheels are down.


By the way this arm can lift a lot . So to keep the 2x ball in place at the end of a match might be a little problem if you leave it :) .

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

new pictures are up.

http://www.valleytech.k12.ma.us/robo...photos2004.htm

Re: Team 61 2004 robot
 

ahh.. two wires. that explains it. pull a wheelie in both directions?? i don't get it.
and are you saying even if we cap the tall goal you might be able to pull it out? is that legal?