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Ken Leung 30-01-2004 05:24

FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner
 
A lot of my experience in FIRST prompted me to push forth this idea. Many times I felt that I want to get something off my chest, but 1) wished to remain nameless, 2) hide the identity of anyone who might be involved. Other times I just want to ask for advice without having to worry about being judged, or just want someone to listen.

So, here is what I want to start (and want your feedbacks of): FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner. (didn’t intent to borrow the “FIRST-a-holic Anonymous” name, I will think of a better name later)

The whole point is what I just said: a mailbox for anyone participating in FIRST to e-mail/message to. The sender’s identity will remain nameless, and I ask that any team/group/person mentioned in the message be nameless too. I will then post the message in the forum (maybe its own sub-forum), and any CD posters can respond to the message (be mindful that the responds will be monitored carefully.)

The anonymous mailbox is for:

1) Sharing your concerns and frustrations about your team, friends, family, organization, or other individuals you work with because of FIRST.
2) If you just want someone to listen.
3) Ask for advice when you don’t know what to do.

The anonymous mailbox is NOT for:

1) Bashing your own or other teams, organization, or individuals.
2) Start controversial arguments.
3) Anything non-FIRST related.


Let me know what you think.

Aignam 30-01-2004 06:34

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Like a FIRST Dear Abby?

Erin Rapacki 30-01-2004 09:33

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Good idea Ken, this will enable all users to have conversations about sensitive topics without judging the 'thread-starters' character.

I am interested to see what topics come up.

Ken Leung 30-01-2004 11:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aignam
Like a FIRST Dear Abby?

Ah yes, that's the name I am looking for.

Hmm. I will take it that the lack of responds means people think its a waste of time?

Brandon Martus 30-01-2004 11:27

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I think it's a good idea. Give it some time, its only been 6 hours ..

JVN 30-01-2004 11:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
Ah yes, that's the name I am looking for.

Hmm. I will take it that the lack of responds means people think its a waste of time?

Jeez Ken... it's only been 6 hours.


I think the idea has a lot of potential. If it is executed well, it could turn into something positive. Or.... it could turn into a whine-fest.

John

Ken Leung 30-01-2004 11:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN
Jeez Ken... it's only been 6 hours.


I think the idea has a lot of potential. If it is executed well, it could turn into something positive. Or.... it could turn into a whine-fest.

John

Heh, sorry, my bad.

Well, I have considered that turning into a whine-fest. But, is that necessary a bad idea? Having a place for people to vent isn't necessary a bad thing, especially when it is not intented for finger pointing or yelling. God knows even I need to vent sometime.

Maybe, by keeping these messages in their own corner, and respond to them in a constructive way, it might be helpful to the message sender as well as the rest of the forum. It might be especially helpful for FIRST-a-holics who are reaching out to the community for the first time when their team don't approve of such thing, or college students who are stressed out by their new team AND their new school.

I am only throwing this idea out to see if there is a need for it. It would only happen if it is useful for the FIRST community.

Matt Leese 30-01-2004 11:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN
Jeez Ken... it's only been 6 hours.


I think the idea has a lot of potential. If it is executed well, it could turn into something positive. Or.... it could turn into a whine-fest.

John

I think that they key would be that there would need to be editorial control. If you don't accept all submissions, then you can't weed out the one's that don't allow much building upon. Then again, that opens up another can of worms.

Matt

shyra1353 30-01-2004 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Leese
I think that they key would be that there would need to be editorial control. If you don't accept all submissions, then you can't weed out the one's that don't allow much building upon. Then again, that opens up another can of worms.

Matt

I like the FIRST Dear Abby idea and I like the idea that submissions do not have to be accepted, but i think that if a submission is not accepted, they should get an email back explaining why because they might not undestand and then feel "shoved aside" and i dont think that thats what we want.

I think that it should have its own separate forum on CD so that it doesnt get mixed in with other things (or a subforum of the Team Organization) ... i also think that it should be set so that it can only be viewed by members only, ive said it in a different post, but i think that these complaints when looked at by a non-FIRSTer (someone who doesnt or cannot see all the problems that occur within teams such as a company, etc.) it could come across as bad publicity. Those of us in FIRST know how awesome FIRST is and how lucky we are to be a part of it.

Jessica Boucher 30-01-2004 12:54

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So THIS was why you were asking me what Dear Abby articles were called.... :)

First off, I love the idea. I think it's a good way for people to get advice through anon contact....it allows people to be freer with what they say.

However, I would like to propose that one of the rules is to keep names out of it. (Yes, I'm basically pulling off what Matt just said a few posts ago :D) That means no names of anyone involved, no team names/numbers, no sponsors, and no location. If we self-editorialize oursleves, then I think we'll communicate better (because thinking about how to word it makes you stop and think before you post, thus calming down the poster).

Amanda Morrison 30-01-2004 13:03

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Ken, is there more than one person responding to these emails?

Joe Matt 30-01-2004 13:49

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I love this idea. It has potential and is what we need for CD IMHO. Many times things have crossed my mind about FIRST and other teams I didn't want to bring up due to a negative perception of my team by those reading the things. I think there are a few problems out there that need to be addressed like this. Not only that, but it seems that stuff like collusion could be discussed in this manner, so no teams would be hurt in the discussions.

Ken Leung 30-01-2004 13:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanda Morrison
Ken, is there more than one person responding to these emails?

I think it is not necessary to limit the responds to 1 or few person. However, know that the responds will be monitored closely. Responds that are indented to hurt other's feelings, point fingers, bashing should not be allowed. I think this can function as an open to all mailbox corner, for those who want to write a message to post one, and for those who wish to offer guidance or words of comfort to responds.

I think it will work out as long as incoming messages are filtered.

And yes, I would keep all the messages nameless… The sender, the people mentioned inside message, etc will be anonymous. Hence the name FIRST-a-holic “Anonymous” mailbox corner.

Mike Heinowski 30-01-2004 15:04

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This is an awsome idea, go with it.

Brandon Martus 30-01-2004 15:07

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We could set it up so the replies are all moderated by a group of 2-3 high-reputation moderators. This would prevent some major catastrophe, and also make sure that names/team numbers/locations/etc are not added in future replies. The mods could also then close threads when they've run their course, which I have a feeling will be pretty quick with anonymous, hot topics like these.

Aaron Lussier 30-01-2004 15:14

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Just so I make sure I'm reading this right the system would work out something like this:

First a person who is haveing trouble with there team or a concern with something e-mails the mailbox. i.e.

Dear, First-a-aholic mailbox (or a diffrent name)

There are a few people on my team that like robotics and are very skilled, but I can not get them to focus during the meetings, I have tried dealing with this by saying/doing

- All of
- This standard
- Stuff

But this has not worked out What should I do?

Signed,

Stressed In New England

Then one of the people responding to the e-mails in the mail box will first make sure it is appropriate, and then respond i.e.

Dear Stressed in New England,

You teammates have classic yayayyayayayayayayaya, you should take them to the side during your next meeting and try yyayayayayaayayaya

Signed,

First-a-holic Email box moderator.

Now realize I just threw down what ever came out of my head for the emails. But overall is that the way it would work out?

Ken Leung 30-01-2004 15:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Lussier
Just so I make sure I'm reading this right the system would work out something like this:

First a person who is haveing trouble with there team or a concern with something e-mails the mailbox. i.e.

Dear, First-a-aholic mailbox (or a diffrent name)

There are a few people on my team that like robotics and are very skilled, but I can not get them to focus during the meetings, I have tried dealing with this by saying/doing

- All of
- This standard
- Stuff

But this has not worked out What should I do?

Signed,

Stressed In New England

Then one of the people responding to the e-mails in the mail box will first make sure it is appropriate, and then respond i.e.

Dear Stressed in New England,

You teammates have classic yayayyayayayayayayaya, you should take them to the side during your next meeting and try yyayayayayaayayaya

Signed,

First-a-holic Email box moderator.

Now realize I just threw down what ever came out of my head for the emails. But overall is that the way it would work out?

The first part is right. But I am not sure I would limit the responds to only mailbox moderators. Any thoughts on this? I do not want to ask people to spend their time in this as dedicated moderators who are the only ones to reply, since they are busy already anyway. Besides, I cannot say who is "more deserving" to be moderators than others when a lot of people are good.

All that need to be done is monitor the incoming message to wipe out the names, and watch for responding messages to make sure they don't cross the line.

Wetzel 30-01-2004 16:02

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Dear Kenny...

Perhaps having a subsection on CD, with 3/4 ish mods. The same group can get access to the submissions. Can threads in a certan forum require mod approval before they are public? That seems to me the easiest way to do it, just have people submit to it, then the mods can read it and then repost it using the Dear Kenny moniker. Once posted, then everyone can post and read it.

That is if the forum can do that. If not, then setting up a new user on CD that the forum mods can all use, and have people PM their questions there.


Wetzel

Kiwi_queen 30-01-2004 16:39

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i give two thumbs up to the idea. it'd be a way for people to get help without anyone looking down upon them or what not. I say go for it!

Jay H 237 30-01-2004 21:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
The first part is right. But I am not sure I would limit the responds to only mailbox moderators. Any thoughts on this? I do not want to ask people to spend their time in this as dedicated moderators who are the only ones to reply, since they are busy already anyway. Besides, I cannot say who is "more deserving" to be moderators than others when a lot of people are good.

All that need to be done is monitor the incoming message to wipe out the names, and watch for responding messages to make sure they don't cross the line.

I believe the responses should be open to everyone and not just the moderators. Say someone does have a concern, someone from another team might have had the same concern and can post how they dealt with it. It might have happened to several individuals (or teams) and you can get different responses so the original poster will then have more than one choice on how to deal with it. The moderators can also give thier thoughts and advice and also filter the responses. I believe this "Dear Abby" idea is great and will help alot of individuals and teams.

( Just out of curiousity if there are three to four moderators how often would they check (to screen) the responses? Say someone posts a reply but it has to be screened first would it be hours before the Mod posts it?)

indieFan 31-01-2004 00:19

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I have one minor tweak on the "everyone gets to respond, not just the mods" concept. Everyone has valuable information to give on one topic or another; however, all too often from what I've seen on these forums, the information gets buried in the long lengths of some posts or the amounts of posts in a thread. I've also seen the "Department of Redundancy Department" represented to a significant degree in various posts. Since the "emails" would be moderated to start with, I would prefer to see the moderators make a compilation response to the original "email".

Just my thoughts,
indieFan

Jeff Waegelin 31-01-2004 00:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by indieFan
I have one minor tweak on the "everyone gets to respond, not just the mods" concept. Everyone has valuable information to give on one topic or another; however, all too often from what I've seen on these forums, the information gets buried in the long lengths of some posts or the amounts of posts in a thread. I've also seen the "Department of Redundancy Department" represented to a significant degree in various posts. Since the "emails" would be moderated to start with, I would prefer to see the moderators make a compilation response to the original "email".

Just my thoughts,
indieFan


Well, the Department of Redundancy Department is what the new mods are here to handle. I think as long as the moderators for this forum are on the ball, it should be fine.

Ken Leung 31-01-2004 07:55

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Many things for the wonderful responds from all of you. I greatly appeciate your thoughts and suggestions.

Let me think about this for a little bit and see what can be done.

Ken Leung 09-02-2004 02:09

Re: FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
Many things for the wonderful responds from all of you. I greatly appeciate your thoughts and suggestions.

Let me think about this for a little bit and see what can be done.

Ok, after chatting with Brandon for a little, I found out:

1. It is possible to make a forum where only approved message will show up.
2. It is very hard to post a message without showing who the user is.

I think what we can do is setup a little corner in the forum, and people can e-mail/PM me messages they want to post, and I can post the message for them. Then all responds will be approved before they are open for public to see. Realistically, I don't think there will be much moderating going on. Only meaningless or negative responds will not be approved, and any mentioning of individuals, teams, organizations will be replaced. The current moderators can easily do this without much work.

Now all we need is a good name for this corner. I only use FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner because I rushed it. Any suggestions?

Jessica Boucher 09-02-2004 07:52

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Ummmm, the FAH Mailbag, Ask the Forum, FIRST Feedback, FRC-911, ::racking brain::

or......Sleepy Ken's Corner? ;)

Matt Leese 09-02-2004 11:11

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As a suggestion for not showing who posted the message, wouldn't it be easier for whoever's approving the message to just post it and approve it under their name? That way it stays anonymous.

Matt

Ken Leung 10-02-2004 10:24

Re: FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Leese
As a suggestion for not showing who posted the message, wouldn't it be easier for whoever's approving the message to just post it and approve it under their name? That way it stays anonymous.

Matt

Ah, good idea. That way people just have to post a message, and the moderator copy, delete the post, and start a new thread under their name.

Now all we need is a good name for this. :-)

Joe Matt 10-02-2004 10:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
Ah, good idea. That way people just have to post a message, and the moderator copy, delete the post, and start a new thread under their name.

Now all we need is a good name for this. :-)


But that'll still have your name to the post, even if not for ever, atleast for a few hours. Can't we just PM them to people?

Kate Leach 10-02-2004 10:57

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Can we create a new user just for this mailbox? Then let whomever the moderators are have the user name & password to log in whenever they get the chance. That should take care of the initial post being moderated & anonymous.

We're only trying to make the original post anonymous, right? That way if a someone responds to the original, they could be contacted personally for more details about their view. If we're trying to make everything anonymous then forget I even said that.

My $0.02.
Kate

Ken Leung 10-02-2004 11:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JosephM
But that'll still have your name to the post, even if not for ever, atleast for a few hours. Can't we just PM them to people?

See the trick is, since its an approve only forum, only messages approved by the moderators will show up. So any messages that people post will not show up at the beginning. Then the moderators just have to look at them, copy and start a new thread, and disapprove/delete the original message.

I am also fine with just doing it in PM/E-mail. It's up to what people want really. My PM box can act as the mailbox.

I thought about creating a new user for this purpose, although that means we cannot keep track of who did what to which message. I would rather have moderators added for this then not knowing who did what to which message. Also, I am not sure what would happen if multiple people log into the same user at once. Too much work to log on and off between different user when there is an easier way to do it.

Joe Matt 10-02-2004 11:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
See the trick is, since its an approve only forum, only messages approved by the moderators will show up. So any messages that people post will not show up at the beginning. Then the moderators just have to look at them, copy and start a new thread, and disapprove/delete the original message.

I am also fine with just doing it in PM/E-mail. It's up to what people want really. My PM box can act as the mailbox.

I thought about creating a new user for this purpose, although that means we cannot keep track of who did what to which message. I would rather have moderators added for this then not knowing who did what to which message. Also, I am not sure what would happen if multiple people log into the same user at once. Too much work to log on and off between different user when there is an easier way to do it.

Oh, I see Ken. Thanks. I thought it would be an open forum to post topics.

Aignam 10-02-2004 20:39

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So, when's this thing getting started up? I'm anxious to read some posts.

Ken Leung 10-02-2004 21:02

Re: FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Leung
Ok, after chatting with Brandon for a little, I found out:


Now all we need is a good name for this corner. I only use FIRST-a-holic Anonymous mailbox corner because I rushed it. Any suggestions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica Boucher
Ummmm, the FAH Mailbag, Ask the Forum, FIRST Feedback, FRC-911, ::racking brain::

or......Sleepy Ken's Corner? ;)

How about a few more name suggestion? I really don't want to use FIRST-a-holic Anonymous (although it will work really well) unless people who own that name approves of it.

Speaking of which, FAH Mailbag sounds pretty good :p . How would FAH Anonymous Mailbag (or Mailbox) sound?

Joe Matt 10-02-2004 21:09

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I like FAH, and if you abreviate it more, it's FAHAM, pronounced phahamm

Ken Leung 20-02-2004 13:57

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Just a little reminder, I am only posting messages in here for people who wishes to remain nameless when they share their concerns/frustration. Please don't be mistaken that they are all from me (although some might in the future). That will make me the one with the most problems/frustrations/need to vent in the entire history of FIRST.

Also, since this sub forum is moderated, all messages you post will not appear until moderators approve them. So don't be worried if your post doesn't show up right after you click submit reply.

Thanks. :-).

Bharat Nain 24-04-2008 21:44

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Dear all,

This is a reminder to all those who post and read FAHA(First-a-holics Anonymous mailbox) that neither myself(Bharat Nain) nor Beth Sweet are actually authors of the posts in this thread. We are simply posting messages on behalf on someone else so it is anonymous. Please read the rest of this thread from Ken Leung about how this works. We just continue what Ken Leung started.

Thank you,

-Bharat Nain


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