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CD47-Bot 16-02-2004 11:45

pic: Team 188 Teaser 2
 

Greg Perkins 16-02-2004 11:45

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Its A Winch!

David Kelly 16-02-2004 11:48

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Holy cow, cool looking. Only thing that really jumps out is the such small size of that shaft and bolt holding the thing on. I'd think that would likely sheer off really easily. You might want to look into putting a larger on on there.

ngreen 16-02-2004 12:01

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Originally Posted by David Kelly
Holy cow, cool looking. Only thing that really jumps out is the such small size of that shaft and bolt holding the thing on. I'd think that would likely sheer off really easily. You might want to look into putting a larger on on there.

It's the van door motors shaft (the longer one). We lifted 128 pounds (4 cement brick) running a winch on the shaft with that motor. And we did it w/out supporting the shaft. You won't sheer that. A better nut perhap, nylon locking.

Bob92 16-02-2004 12:12

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A little info on shear ratings


Shear Capacity Calculation

To roughly calculate the ultimate single shear capacity of a bolt, multiply bolt area at full shank diameter times ultimate shear strength rating, e.g. 8-32 18-8 stainless steel bolt, 0.164" diameter. (A standard 8-32)

Area = πr2; 3.1416 x 0.082" x 0.082" = 0.0211 square inches

Single shear = 90,000 psi x 0.021 = 1890 lbs. at full diameter

This calculation is for shearing a 8-32 on the thread. I am pretty confident it will hold your robot.

Matt Adams 16-02-2004 12:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob92
A little info on shear ratings

Shear Capacity Calculation

To roughly calculate the ultimate single shear capacity of a bolt, multiply bolt area at full shank diameter times ultimate shear strength rating, e.g. 8-32 18-8 stainless steel bolt, 0.164" diameter. (A standard 8-32)

Area = πr2; 3.1416 x 0.082" x 0.082" = 0.0211 square inches

Single shear = 90,000 psi x 0.021 = 1890 lbs. at full diameter

This calculation is for shearing a 8-32 on the thread. I am pretty confident it will hold your robot.

Consider that bolt not flush against the load.. such as a tiny "negligible" bending moment of only .25 inches....

Stress = M * y / I

Stress = M * y / I

130 lbs * .125 * .082 in / (3.141 * .164^4/64) = 75,500 PSI

Compound that with some shear stress... you're in a danger zone. Consider and extra load of an extra robot hanging with you... eek! In my opinion.. using a #8 bolt is definitely pushing a reasonable factor of safety.

However, the van door motor, being 11mm or so, should work out to be just fine.. but I'd definitely try to avoiding doing anything cantilevered... that freaks me out. Keep in mind that those bearing are bought from the cheapest bidder...

Nevertheless, good luck!

Matt

Bob92 16-02-2004 13:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Adams
Consider that bolt not flush against the load.. such as a tiny "negligible" bending moment of only .25 inches....

Stress = M * y / I

Stress = M * y / I

130 lbs * .125 * .082 in / (3.141 * .164^4/64) = 75,500 PSI

Compound that with some shear stress... you're in a danger zone. Consider and extra load of an extra robot hanging with you... eek! In my opinion.. using a #8 bolt is definitely pushing a reasonable factor of safety.

However, the van door motor, being 11mm or so, should work out to be just fine.. but I'd definitely try to avoiding doing anything cantilevered... that freaks me out. Keep in mind that those bearing are bought from the cheapest bidder...

Nevertheless, good luck!

Matt

I doubt that there is a .25 inch gap. I assume this because most team dont manufacture parts like that to within 250 thousandths. I believe if there was "a tiny "negligible" bending moment" it would only be that of 1-2 thousandths. Especially considering that the nut on the end would hold it all flush.

sanddrag 16-02-2004 14:06

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That's a cool winch drum but it looks liek it would be really heavy.

Steve W 16-02-2004 14:54

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Too heavy. It's at the shop being turned down. We thought 3/4 inch was a little too sturdy.

JoeXIII'007 16-02-2004 19:21

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Nice pulley or winch. The device has a good chance of working, depending on the stress put on the wire.

JVN 16-02-2004 20:44

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Originally Posted by JoeXIII'007
Nice pulley or winch. The device has a good chance of working, depending on the stress put on the wire.

Such high praise!
Careful, or you might end up actually making a compliment.


188 - Looks awesome guys. I can't wait to see the finished version.

JVN

jonathan lall 16-02-2004 21:39

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I'll give you a bit more.

Yes it's a pulley/winch system. Yes it will hold. No it's actually not that heavy, but we want it lighter anyway. Yes, it backdrives, but not for long. You will be more impressed when you see some other stuff, I promise. That is, if our robot sheds some pounds.


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