Reputation systems scares you away from post
 

Hi guys well i mean i was just sitting here and i was thinking and i wanted other peoples input.

WE have had the reputation system for awhile and i think its pretty good. I am just afraid to post as much as i am used to. I have been posting on CD a little over a year and when i post i dont post crap, wheni post i post stuff that i know what ia m talkign abourt or asking a question or answering one. But lookign at my reputation i have all approvbes execpt for three and i mean i think this repuation thing is on peoples opinion well it is.

Example
I posted under a thread pit politics and i thoguht i covered everything in that thread and i got a disappove cause the CD member said that i didnt talk about anything related to that thread and i went back and red through my post and it matched everythign that was said in the post and i just expanded a little moer and since then i got appoves about that post that people like

All i really wanted to say now with the reputation system in place ia m afraid to post. Becasue everythign i post i mean but i just dont want it to look like ia m fooling around. So i mean this whole thing scares me

So what do you tink

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You know, there's a couple of things I'd like to say about this...

- I can see where you're coming from. When I came back to the forums full-time, one of my early posts got negative criticism because they didn't like my style of writing. And I was pretty pissed...who are these people who never even knew me back then, and why are they allowed to say that my points aren't valid? I know a couple of older FIRSTers who graze the forums every now and then who have the same feelings towards reputation.

- People like to criticize more than they like to praise. We don't give eachother enough credit, and I wish it was different...but that's the way things are.

-I LOVE getting reps, especially from people I don't know and people with reps higher than my own. My face literally lights up every single time dlavery gives me positive reps...because I know my opinion mattered enough for him to make the couple of clicks and think of something interesting to say to cheer me on.

So...maybe some solutions? I know! Mid-Season Resolutions!
-I resolve to give out more reputation. My favorite area of the reputation area is the comment area. If you've recieved a rep from me lately, I try to always put in a word or two either of praise or of ways to make it more palatable (lately it's been a LOT of words!).

-I also resolve to not give out negative feedback without a comment. This way we know what we're doing wrong, as opposed to knowing someone thinks we're wrong but didn't care enough to say why. It also makes us think before making those couple of clicks.

Dont be scared away from posting. Voicing our opinions is what makes us human, voicing our opinion frequently is what makes us FIRSTers. :D And you definitely have valid points to make, so if we all resolve (or at least keep in mind) to show eachother that we appreciate one another, I think that we're well on our way.

Hope that helps!

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I think the most important thing to notice on the rep points box is the choices are

I approve

or

I disapprove

it says nothing about whether you AGREE with the post or not.

A forum is a place for people to publically express their ideas and opinions, observations, and to interact with others they would not normally have access to.

If every thread started out with the first person making a comment, and everyone else chiming in that they agree - there would be no point in having the forum.

people will have differences of opinion and different ways of seeing things. I wont give anyone negative rep points unless they are rude, abusive, vulgar, or attacking someone personally.

think about the words "good repuation" and "bad reputation" when giving points - people have the right to disagree with you, if they do so in a civil manner - that should not earn them a bad reputation.

If I disagree with someones post I have sometimes given them postitive points, but put a comment in that I dont agree with them. I still approve of them making their views known, and esp appreciate someone taking a stand on a difficult subject (not that there have been any on here lately :c)

PS - scare me away? I think if my rep points went seriously negative I would conclude that I am not wanted here, and in that case, yes - I would stop posting on CD.

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I'll tell you this right now. I very rarely (if at all) give out rep. I don't even look at rep. It's all the way on the right side of the page, after all. I can glance through posts without looking at any green whatsoever. Besides, why should someone with 10 green dots be taken more seriously than someone with one green (or heck, even still on gray) when at face value, all their opinions are very valid. In which case I'm forced to think who deserves my rep. Does that person with 10 dots deserve it more simply because he has the 10 dots. Maybe I should give a leg-up to the person with 1. If it goes to the person with 10, it's a popularity thing. If I go to the 1, it's a pity thing. Maybe I give it to both, but that almost defeats the purpose of the system.

And then there's bad rep. I myself have gotten bad rep based on Jeopardy questions. How wrong is that? If someone only adds one line to a discussion, should I give him bad rep? I mean, he is adding to the discussion after all. Should all posts under one line be judged as bad? There may be valid opinions in that one line. Maybe someone double posts (which is very often by accident). Should they be penalized for that? I don't agree with a post? Bad rep? (I'd never give out bad rep because someone disagrees with me, but I'm sure it happens). Someone has started flaming other users. Should he be given bad rep? Yes he should (sorry, just making sure you're still paying attention ;) ). If someone pointlessly gives you bad rep, do you have the right to fire back at them (which is a dangerous thing considering a lot of people can fire a negative rep of 15 points)?

I speak my mind. It's just who I am. Which puts me between a rock and a hard place. I want to get my opinion out there (i.e., speak my mind). The problem is my opinion often differs from that of my peers (in this case, the users of CD). I'm not afraid of bad rep, but I'd kinda like that bad rep to be justified. Are you going to give me bad rep because I disagree with Operation Reelect- er, I mean Operation Iraqi Freedom? Are you going to give me good rep because you're good friends with me? Things like this have made me just disregard the entire rep system.

I'm not saying that rep is just a popularity contest, or a tool to keep political enimies (for lack of a better name) at bay. You have no clue how tempted I was to fire a -15 bomb in the direction of the people who gave me bad rep based on Jeopardy questions. I never did, but I wouldn't be suprised if that's another large source of bad rep. I'm pretty sure that a lot of rep givin out is deserved either way. But even if 90% of all rep givin out is justified (and IMO, it's probably less than that), that makes 10% of the system a popularity contest, and a way to oppress those that disagree with you. And 10% of all the points givin out (or heck, lets count 10% of the people) is a lot of points (or people). Again, I'm just speaking my mind. I'll take you seriously even if you're in red. And I won't let other people's opinions on you (in the form of rep), be them good or bad, influence how I feel about what you say. You agree with me? Cool. You don't? Maybe we can have a friendly debate on that topic. Don't be afraid to post what's on your mind. You'll never get bad rep from me if you do.

So, how 'bout them Red Sox?

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I like the reputation system. I think that being able to see who gave you the rep makes if very effective and stops it from becoming an abusive system (not that some people won't abuse it, but that's just reality). I think it makes a lot of people stop and think before they dash off a harsh impulse post to something they take exception to since they know what they write will be "judged". However, I find it hard to be that judge, so I've never given anything out but good rep, and that mostly to things that have made me laugh.

Regardless of whether you are posting in a controversial thread or not, there is always the chance someone will not be happy with what you said or how you said it. Ken, didn't you get zinged for making a disparaging comment about Starbucks? However, if you look at who is giving you good rep and bad rep, and the good rep is coming from the leaders of the rep pack, then you're doing something right and shouldn't be afraid of posting. And I have to chime in and agree with Jessica, it's pretty darn peachy keen to get good rep from someone high up on the rep scale. It's like, "Wow, Andy Baker liked that!"

Heidi

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It's just a rumor that I've come by most of my rep points by making fun of Dave Lavery. :p

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I had experince with the reputation system over at @Forums and I survived that so I'm not going to sweat the system here.
That being said, I still think it's nothing more than a poularity contest and a stupid one at that.

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one great thing about the rep points system is its a great way to toss a short comment of encouragement towards someone without having to post it, or send a PM - and I think it has really cut down on the one-line "me too" posts

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I only get reps from one person who will remain un-named. First he gives me two bad reps as soon as I join and start posting for stupid stuff. He said I didn't search before I posted a new thread... How is he going to tell me I didn't search? Was he standing over my shoulder watching me? I searched (Chief Deplhi and FIRST Q&A) before posting so I wouldn't get a bad rep. I sent him a message and he gave me some good rep points to make up for it, but nows hes started doing it again. I don't really like the system. At least make it so that people have to explain why they gave you the bad rep. so you will know what you did wrong. Now I have to go back and try to figure it out on my own...

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Reputation points don't really bother me. This is mostly because I've been posting on here since the old forums (no, the old, old forums; the ones Brandon wrote). It is, however, interesting to see who has reputation and who doesn't. For some people, reputation is highly deserved. I'm not so convinced that others deserve the reputation they have. Either way, it can (doesn't mean it will, just that it can) start to approximate a popularity contest and I'm wary of those to begin with.

Matt

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As in reputation i have gotten many good ones for this thread and i did not intend this thread to do that i just wanted to bring this up cause it bothers me and i got a negative rep for this thread which said

"Learn to proofread. If you could post sentences that made since, then people would not negative rep you"

I mean this is a reason i dont like to post it feels so good to get good reputation because it shows that someone is getting somethign out of what you post, but i mean when something like this comes along it makes me want to stop. I do not really pay attention to gramatical errors i mean sure i try to put periods were they belong. I do not excel in english that is not my strong point but thats the reason i am in FIRST is cause i enjoy science and generally understand it and LOVE TO BUILD STUFF. I really dont care about my reputation but to get negative just because maybe i misspell somethign is stupid, it should be on the content of the post

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To quickly address something in your post ..

I may see how hard it is to put a hack in vB3 to disallow reputation in certain forums. (game forum, chit chat(?), etc..) I'm not sure if this will solve anything, though .. any comments?

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I don't really see how the reputation system benefits us. Sure, it helps to discern who is helpful around here, but that should be fairly evident anyway. Also, I haven't seen anyone with a negative reputation, so it seems to be less of a matter of who has more reputation rather than who has good reputation. This pretty much boils down to who posts more and has more of an opportunity to have their posts seen and appreciated.

However, my feelings on the reputation system's existence are fairly neutral. I don't care that it's there, nor would I care much if it was to be eliminated.

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Brandon ya it sounds good to try to take it out of certain forums but dont kill yourself

And like i said again its not that big of deal to me. I mean i do not like seeing negative rep.

I just get excited when i see liek good repuataion from people like any of the kens,Andy baker, dave lavery and countless other ones. I mean i am 17 years old i turn 18 in less then a month. I have just started touching the engineering outlook. These guys i have name have been in engineering for years. ONE EVEN WORKS ON THE ROBOT ON MARS! To get one of your post or threads noticed by these guys is amazing. When i see a good rep from them its just something that gets me excited about robotics even more. I think everyone can agree with me when you get a good rep from them it feels good because they are the leaders, mentors and people that have changed our lives in many ways.

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*please don't give me anything negative for this one!*

I am a little lost also on the reputation system. I posted a simple response on the "What are you listening to..?" thread, and suddenly, someone gives me a negative point for saying the title and artist. Nothing provacative. Why is this?

- Jill

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jill,
check this thread

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...137#post198137