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Alekat 17-02-2004 22:42

Freshman Positives
 
Freshman, who needs em right? wrong! if you read enough forum pages your always going to fun into comments about know-it-all freshmen. But they're also good for other things as well. Here are the ones i can come up with off the top of my head:

The simple machines:
1.Shelf
2.support beam(warning: check the muscle on your freshman before applying too much weight)
3.Ramp(a little shaky but they get used to it)

The simple tasks:
1."fetch" (please be specific as to whether you meant drill bit or mill bit)
2."hold this for me"
3."get out of the way" (please be kind to our freshmen when using this one)

Please keep in mind this thread is all in clean fun, and try not to be rude to the freshmen(not sure if i set the best example). Keep in mind without Freshmen we couldn't have anyone else, whos gonna take over the robotics team!?
Feel free to post any quotes or incredible freshmen feats you have seen achieved! lol

Happy Robot Building!

Tom Bottiglieri 17-02-2004 22:45

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hahahah thats so great. It's really funny because it's true.
Quote:

The simple tasks:
1."fetch" (please be specific as to whether you meant drill bit or mill bit)
2."hold this for me"
3."get out of the way" (please be kind to our freshmen when using this one)
That is so true...

sirbleedsalot 17-02-2004 23:02

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having them look for nonexistant parts is also fun ie: a metric cresent wrench
but seriously we need them if we want this organization to continue

Redhead Jokes 17-02-2004 23:20

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What about the freshman who know more than the seniors and are harder workers. Or the 8th grader who learns six machines in 3 weeks...yeh, we got 'em. Brains and hard work aren't necessarily about age or grade.

Joe Ross 17-02-2004 23:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Redhead Jokes
What about the freshman who know more than the seniors and are harder workers. Or the 8th grader who learns six machines in 3 weeks...yeh, we got 'em. Brains and hard work aren't necessarily about age or grade.

I agree. When I hear of people making fun of freshmen, I tend to think more about lazy seniors then stupid freshmen.

abeD 17-02-2004 23:37

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Well as a freshman (I'm now a senior) the team leader/driver who was a senior at the time was in the same room as me in the hotels for both regionals and nats. Him and his senior friend developed what they liked to call "Freshman Privilege" in which they would do anything to torment us freshmen. I remember one such occurence was when i got locked out of my room and then only to have the door opened and have all this water dumped on me :( not the greatest of times..soo.. i treat most of the freshman ok because of my traumatic experiences but by no means do they get away with anything, and yes they still have to do the menial jobs but dont all freshman?

Katie Reynolds 17-02-2004 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abeD
I remember one such occurence was when i got locked out of my room and then only to have the door opened and have all this water dumped on me :(

Awww ... that's horrible.

I know this thread was started in good fun and I'm glad to see it's stayed that way. I just wanted to throw this out there for the people who might take this thread a little more seiously than it was intended ...

When I was a freshman on 93, I wasn't treated lower than anyone else. True, I knew next to nothing when it came to electronics and mechanics, but that didn't mean I spent the year fetching aluminum magnets and metric crescent wrenches -- I spent the time learning from the people with more experience than me. I hope all the "lazy seniors" can teach the "stupid freshmen" a thing or two before their time on the team is up, rather than making the freshmen play 'fetch'.

Quote:

Keep in mind without Freshmen we couldn't have anyone else, whos gonna take over the robotics team!?
Yep. :)

dez250 18-02-2004 00:08

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Quote:

Keep in mind without Freshmen we couldn't have anyone else, whos gonna take over the robotics team!?
Yes I know this whole thread was started as fun but heres a little food for thought...
I know that freshman on my team are treated now as equals, all people on 250 are treated as equals and that is how we do things. I dont know how other teams do things but age and grade is no different then gender and race which has no effect to our team. Many of you should take a lil more time to think of what you post on here because these forums are read by many FIRST staff and what you say reflects upon your whole team.

P.S.~ werent we all freshman at a time and arent freshman the people who are taking over our teams as we graduate?

Redhead Jokes 18-02-2004 00:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abeD
and yes they still have to do the menial jobs but dont all freshman?

No.

Allison K 18-02-2004 02:16

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Hmm. OUr yougest member is by far our most porductive. He's in seventh grade. And as for freshman, they make up more than half the team, and get treated the same as everyone else.

And well last year on 226 we seemed to have an abundance of freshman (many of whom were also in band, as I was, so I saw them every morning also) and my standard greeting was "Morning Freshman." It wasn't mean though, it was just their nickname. It did however backfire this year (I am now a college freshman) and when I saw some of last years freshman for the first time this year and said hello with my usuall greeting, as I had done for the past year, except the reply I got was "Who are you to be talking, FRESHMAN." OH Well. I still slip up and call them freshman sometimes. They roll their eyes at me.

We did joke about the freshman being well, lower, but when it came to design, building, the really important stuff everyone is pretty much equal. Another Senior, A freshman, and I went to get lunch for the team on saturday, and while at Arby's we forgot the ketchup. We stopped at the McDonald's on the way back and made the freshman go in and ask for ketchup. She went in and told them "I'm the freshman and the seniors made me come get ketchup," and they gave her not only ketchup but two free pies. :yikes:

Allison

Redhead Jokes 18-02-2004 02:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Allison K
OUr yougest member is by far our most porductive. He's in seventh grade. She went in and told them "I'm the freshman and the seniors made me come get ketchup," and they gave her not only ketchup but two free pies.

We have a hard-working 6th grader and 7th grader.

LOL about McDonalds!

Crop-Circles 18-02-2004 06:32

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When you guys talk about freshmen, do you mean 9th graders or first year members? Our team doesn't care at all about age. However, we usually do care about years on the team. I can't stand it when new people come in and act like they know everything. We treat productive freshmen the same way as everyone else. As for excesively ambitous new people, we have one rule:what happens in the hotel, stays in the hotel... ;)

Jeff Waegelin 18-02-2004 08:48

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Last year, our two freshmen were by far some of the best workers we had. One of them was probably there more than I was :p In my mind, it's all about how much they want to learn and get involved. If a freshman (or any new member) wants to just stand around and do nothing, then he or she can spend the six weeks playing fetch and filing corners on the frame. If, on the other hand, they want to get involved, I'm happy to teach them. The freshman I mentioned above is now the electrical team leader, as well as the overall project manager because of her involvement last year.

So, the moral of the story is, don't just beat up on your freshmen. They can be a valuable asset if they're motivated and you help them get involved. Of course, there's nothing wrong with the occasional search for an adjustable Allen wrench :p

Joe Matt 18-02-2004 08:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Waegelin
Last year, our two freshmen were by far some of the best workers we had. One of them was probably there more than I was :p In my mind, it's all about how much they want to learn and get involved. If a freshman (or any new member) wants to just stand around and do nothing, then he or she can spend the six weeks playing fetch and filing corners on the frame. If, on the other hand, they want to get involved, I'm happy to teach them. The freshman I mentioned above is now the electrical team leader, as well as the overall project manager because of her involvement last year.

So, the moral of the story is, don't just beat up on your freshmen. They can be a valuable asset if they're motivated and you help them get involved. Of course, there's nothing wrong with the occasional search for an adjustable Allen wrench :p

As a freshman, I never spoke up that much, so I was pushed aside. Some kids leared motors, others building and pnumatics. I learned non of those skills. Instead, I focused my attention on scouting and stratagey, that's something I really liked. I had fun and now I'm catching up on my building skills. For us, we need more frosh. Next year, I'm counting only 2 seniors, 5 juniors, and NO SOPHMORES AND FRESHMAN. That's right, we're screwed over! :ahh:

As for getting things that arn't there, I always send people out to go get some elbow grease and headlight fluid.

Tom Bottiglieri 18-02-2004 09:40

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we have one senior, 2 juniors, 17 sophomores, and 3 freshman.. yeah kinda weird isnt it. Oh yeah.. abbout my above post. Theres only 1 freshman on the team who deserves to play fetch. This is becuase he has broken hafl our parts and never stops talking about counter strike. I actually took one of the other freshman on as a "padawan", making him follow me everywhere and teaching him what different things are and how to use different machines.

MisterX 18-02-2004 09:45

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You guys forgot "Here, File" But yea being a freshman it is all about paying your dues and ensuring you know what you are doing. I put my heart into all the minial jobs that I had to do and people took notice. I ended up being the first (and only) freshman to attend the practice of regionals and I was one of only 2 sophmores to go to it last year. Yea it can be annoying work some times but if you do it and not complain you are that much higher up than the others. Plus as a thank you note the senior on the very last match of our Zone Zeal competitiion allowed me to be the H.P. and be on the main stage outside of Epcot!

lilszek24 18-02-2004 10:20

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haha that is soo classic...we have about 6 freshman, we never let them live it down but at the beginning of the season we were driving our old robot and 3 of them walked in and just sat their mouth opens in awe...one of them finally said so we get to build one of them huh!? it wus classic they were sooo amazed!

shyra1353 18-02-2004 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dez250
werent we all freshman at a time?

not everyone .. i went from grade eight to grade 10 .. but still completed all the work for all my grade 9 courses ... try that one on ...

as to treating freshmen .. we have one on our team and we treat him the same .. sure i call him a freshman some of the time ... but its all jokes and he knows it ...

and going to find non-existant tools ?? making people (not just freshman) find something non-existant (not just tools) is common within the team .... my engineer told me (a junior) yesterday to find a left-handed screwdriver .. but then again he was calling a hammer a hacksaw and a nut a screw ... and one time he left us alone to have the motors hooked up by the time he got back ... when we saw him coming back we werent done yet so i led him around the building to find a monkey .. hahaha .. now thats a joke between the team ....

Ryan M. 18-02-2004 10:53

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I'm insulted. I'm way smarter than anyone else on our team and I'm a freshmen. ;)

steven114 18-02-2004 11:09

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When I was one last year, I came at the perfect time - I was the only one who had a clue as to how to program the darn thing. I learned PBASIC in a grand total of a few hours, and earned some respect very quickly like that :)

Matt Leese 18-02-2004 11:59

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Freshmen, like all people, come in good and bad varieties. The issue normally is that given that freshmen are younger, there is a tendency to be immature (not that all freshmen or younger are immature and not that all those who are older are mature; I've met adults who are less mature than high school students).

Immaturity can be difficult to deal with but there are ways to handle it. Normally, these issues would mainly fall to the mentors to deal with. One of the key things is to keep everyone busy, even if it's with fairly simple tasks. Start with simple tasks and after they've mastered those, build the tasks into more complex ones. This is good for everyone and has the advantage of taking those who are immature and helping them build maturity.

Now, that said, on our team, we have exactly one senior. We have a good number of freshmen and because of the way the school is setup, we have a good number of students who would be middle school aged. Some of our best workers are those who are freshmen or middle school students. Frankly, I didn't know that they were that age until I asked. So being a freshmen doesn't mean that you're going to just get in the way but it can take some more effort to make sure you don't.

Matt

cdawzrd 20-02-2004 16:56

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The way our club is set up (ours is a CLUB AND A TEAM to the guy above), since we draw students from about 20 schools instead of one, its hard to find older students interested. We had about 80% Sophomores/Juniors in 2001, but now we only have two seniors, three juniors, and about 8 sophomores. I am a freshman, but have been on the team four years, giving me a *little* more experience than the 10/11 graders just joining this year... (nothing against you guys, you are great) The annoying thing, not to be hypocritical, is the younger 7th/8th graders that got recruited, mainly since most of them do not show maturity and cannot stay on task. There have been about three or four of them that come to meetings regularly and have a positive effect on the effort. The rest of them I believe would have a better time in the FLL team...

My $.02

Winged Wonder 20-02-2004 16:58

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heehee i'm a freshman but practically the whole team had said that i'm the "freshman who doesnt act like a freshman" to the point where i'm not even considered a freshman anymore, i'm "so awesome" that i'm automatically a 'senior' lol. kinda.. weird but still pretty cool... i'm just happy the team actually likes me/accepts me for who i am. :-D

Taylor_Ratliff 20-02-2004 19:36

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Being a freshman, I am slightly offended, but am also understanding of your frustrations with lower classmen. I myself cannot stand many of my freshman at our school, but not all of us are so immature. I am taking English II, Pre-Calc, and several other advanced courses and do not look, or act like most other freshman. I am at my team's meeting EVERY day they are held, including this week (which we have off). In hours spent in robotics, I am second to none.

Taylor Ratliff.

rangersteve 20-02-2004 20:03

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I am a freshman... the only freshman.

Even though our team has one freshman from what I've found we have a large number of first year students.

I understand that freshman are sometimes annoying or in the way. so continue the jokes because next year i'm sure i'll find them funny.

Koko Ed 20-02-2004 20:28

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I know freshmen make easy targets and it's all in good fun but remeber they are the future of your team and if all they remember is how badly they were treated and they don't come back it's the team that will ultimately suffer.

Elyse Holguin 20-02-2004 21:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sirbleedsalot
having them look for nonexistant parts is also fun ie: a metric cresent wrench
but seriously we need them if we want this organization to continue

or a wire stretcher :)

really though, our freshmen have been a tremendous help this year!

ozzie12 20-02-2004 22:56

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I'm a freshman and I am the only one on my team that knows 3ds max.
(Actually, someone else does but he is the CAD lead; I'm left to do our animation). Oh exciting deadlines.
Well hope that disproves some generalizations. :p

Alaina 20-02-2004 22:57

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My team doesn't treat members by grade. We're all treated equally no matter what our skill levels are. :)
First year members can learn what second year member knows very quickly. So they don't have any specific "simple" jobs...

Alekat 26-02-2004 23:40

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Could anybody bring some detail to the term Super Freshman? Dont have any on my team but i'd be intrested to find out what feats your freshemn have accomplished "sarcasm encouraged" ;) . again, keep it all in good fun and for those freshmen who are reading this thread, please feel free to post your thoughts and/or feeling to the topics at hand

steven114 27-02-2004 09:14

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We actually do have a super freshmen - he's always there, always willing to help, very bright, handy with tools, has a good personality, and is fun to be around. The only problem with freshmen seems to be that the quality varies wildly - many aren't quite up to it but a few of em every year are just quality team members.

Scott Ritchie 27-02-2004 09:55

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I think you need to appreciate where you have come from and in our FIRST program the freshman do get some of the simple jobs. Don’t get me wrong I have some of the best freshmen that I have ever had and one of them was very vital to the build season. Still I want him taking out the trash, sweeping the floor, sorting nuts and bolts and getting teased a little for being a freshman. I have found in the past that if you give to much responsibility to a freshman and make an easy path for them they get very premadonnaish (sp?) and become very hard to work with as Jr. or Sr. There is a lot of learning at that takes place at the bottom of the food chain, a lot of good foundation learning. Freshmen make me think of the Dodo birds in the movie Ice Age. If they would watch the other more advanced animals they possibly could learn to survive but they think they have a plan and they really just have some watermelons.

Andy Brockway 27-02-2004 12:06

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We do not have special jobs for Freshmen. In fact we seperate our group in two, Veterans and Rookies. The only difference is that the Veterans are required to teach the Rookies. This year 12 of our 17 members were rookies. Half way through the season some of the 'rookies' were teaching other rookies. Talent and ability to follow instruction are traits that we encourage. Responsibility we require.

Lord Nerdlinger 27-02-2004 17:59

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we have zero freshman..

tenfour 27-02-2004 21:12

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Half of FIRST is work ethic. The other is brains. We have some members who can think forever, but get tired after 4 turns of a wrench. A lot of mindless sweat goes into a robot. We had a young guy last year who would do whatever needed to be done regardless of its glamour. Thats cool.

-PauL- 27-02-2004 22:07

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it all depends on how you look at this. Yes, most freshmen who join the team are slackers, and they don't know the level of commitment they are pledging when they join, but there are few who are elite, who are even better at what thay do than older people on the team that make fun of the younger members. I don't think that freshman should be used for the grunt work, and this has nothing to do with the fact that I am one, it's just common morals you learn in kindergarten.

Salik Syed 27-02-2004 22:12

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heehe.....lol alex.....i know i know...the jokes are kinda mean but they are funny..... i mean when you are a freshmen this is basically what happens, because freshmen dont really know much....but as we sat there filing filing filing....or hack sawing hacksawing hacksawing something....we were happy it was something new and exciting and since it requires so little brain activity while we did it we actually learned something... by watching the other people.
also freshmen can have some good ideas in the design phase...although sometimes there are a lot of things like 8 stage telescoping arms, etc...

btw metric crescent wrench :D

Joe J. 27-02-2004 22:53

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We came up with a few freshman ideas!

1. Tie one tool to each freshman and train them to answer to the tool name. Then tie them to a wall so they can't wander off.
2. Give them to other teams at compitions so they can cheer for those teams in exchange for spare parts.
3. Have them file stuff.
4. Train them in the ways of the team.

MisterX 27-02-2004 23:03

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I remember this one time sending a freshmen out to get headlight fluid and a tube of elbow grease :sigh : good times....

of course I also remember the time my team had me get a 4/16 wrench ( I spent half an hour until I realized it was a 1/4) and I am only gald that I can be part of keeping the tradition going!

Lisa Rodriguez 28-02-2004 11:40

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I love freshman. They are usually really willing to learn. Lots of times we use the phrasing "rookie" or "freshman" when they do something wrong i.e. "oops i forgot right was tight" *shakes head and say "freshman"

Most of our freshman are really great, one is the only one who knows entirely how to run the CNC machine and Mastercam (we LOVE him, he doesn't deburr very much) and willing to listen. But sometimes they don't know exactly what to do and stand there, so you have to take them in.

This is a little of topic, but two of our freshman on animation were a LOT mischivioius and deleted the almost finished animation (on purpose, they thought it didn't look good, LONG complicated story) and little discplinary action was taken, but we're working on that. So if you see our animation, it was done in like 2 days, not EVEN, its really really good for deleting it (even from the trash bin, so it was really hard recover) But they kinda alienate themselves......

anyway, i like MOST freshman:D

Alekat 25-10-2004 17:40

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Ok its been 5 or 6 months since i started this so lemme just say its turned way too philoshical. too lazy to spell check that one. but my point is lost from me so just keep doing what your doing

Salik Syed 25-10-2004 17:41

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tell them to get chain for the gears.....

errickhorner 25-10-2004 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alekat
Freshman, who needs em right? wrong! if you read enough forum pages your always going to fun into comments about know-it-all freshmen. But they're also good for other things as well. Here are the ones i can come up with off the top of my head:

The simple machines:
1.Shelf
2.support beam(warning: check the muscle on your freshman before applying too much weight)
3.Ramp(a little shaky but they get used to it)

The simple tasks:
1."fetch" (please be specific as to whether you meant drill bit or mill bit)
2."hold this for me"
3."get out of the way" (please be kind to our freshmen when using this one)

Please keep in mind this thread is all in clean fun, and try not to be rude to the freshmen(not sure if i set the best example). Keep in mind without Freshmen we couldn't have anyone else, whos gonna take over the robotics team!?
Feel free to post any quotes or incredible freshmen feats you have seen achieved! lol

Happy Robot Building!

I agree. have them do the annoying busy work.And knuckle grinder work too

Arefin Bari 25-10-2004 19:51

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After reading every single post here in this thread, i think each of them is trying to tell me is "Teach the Freshmans (rookies)." Us, seniors had a time when we were freshmans and i am thankful to those seniors who took a step forward and cared enough to teach me of what i am capable of now. Personally, i think its a whole cycle or a process. Veterans teach the rookies (like Andy Brockway said), It is very true. if we are not there to help them and show them what is FIRST about, we will lose leaderships. I understand that there are times when we make fun of freshman's, its just a everyday thing, but i am very sure when it comes to the learning process... All of us likes to get them into Robotics. As far as Freshman positives, there are only a few dedicated freshman every single team gets, when they are dedicated and shows up at all time, they learn, they knows what goes on. when I was a freshman, i knew the 2002 (my freshman year) Robot inside out, same with my sophomore and junior year. Now i am a senior, i mostly work on machining parts. at the same time, teach the rookies and make someone a machinist, that when i leave, there will be someone to replace me... :)

Kyle Love 25-10-2004 19:59

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I was a Freshman myself last year. I was the battery boy/trailer runner. During eliminations I would make sure that we had batteries ready to go. At Nationals I had to run all the way to the trailer (it was like 2 miles away) and get something that we didn't even need to get. But hey, someone had to do it. I say it should be a "right of passage". What do you think?

-Kyle

Alekat 25-10-2004 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle45
I was a Freshman myself last year. I was the battery boy/trailer runner. During eliminations I would make sure that we had batteries ready to go. At Nationals I had to run all the way to the trailer (it was like 2 miles away) and get something that we didn't even need to get. But hey, someone had to do it. I say it should be a "right of passage". What do you think?

-Kyle

I feel I shouldn't support any "rights of passage" because many people may get the wrong idea. I've heard of some rather cruel rights of passage for other sports, specifically football, and although some may seem rather entertaining I'm afraid i don't see them as fitting for a robotics team. However carrying a 12v battery two miles does seem like a good way for them to burn off some steam :) .

Alex Golec 25-10-2004 23:08

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Filing stuff was the best past of my freshman year, now that i think about it. It was a relatively low-stress job that required almost no thought to complete. But freshman are just as valuable to the team as everyone else - they're the one who will keep the team running when seniors graduate.

As for the rights of passage, was the runner at nationals, and that was difficult. Especially when we ran out of coolant and I had to bug the remaining teams (about 15 of them...) for coolent, and eventually I got some (than you teams 111 and 494). Doing mindless tasks isnt a right of passage, but showing dedication and hard work is.

VGMasterShadow 27-10-2004 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle45
I was a Freshman myself last year. I was the battery boy/trailer runner. During eliminations I would make sure that we had batteries ready to go. At Nationals I had to run all the way to the trailer (it was like 2 miles away) and get something that we didn't even need to get. But hey, someone had to do it. I say it should be a "right of passage". What do you think?

-Kyle

That builds character for next year.

SarahBecker 27-10-2004 22:14

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Hey, as a rookie, I was running from the stands to the pits and back again after every other match to give our drivers the match results and scouting info. Believe me, the freshmen can deal with being a battery runner. ;)

Alex Golec 27-10-2004 22:59

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Eventually, the turning point for all freshman is when their mindset changes from
"I'm running with batteries because someone told me its important."
to
"I think our robot needs fresh batteries; it is completely essential to our team."

The change is basically becoming independent while still remaining attached to the general team motivation. Soon enough, robotics changes from your 3-day-a-week extracurricular activity to your 24/7 life.

_Alex

LPaton716 29-10-2004 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Brockway
We do not have special jobs for Freshmen. In fact we seperate our group in two, Veterans and Rookies. The only difference is that the Veterans are required to teach the Rookies. This year 12 of our 17 members were rookies. Half way through the season some of the 'rookies' were teaching other rookies. Talent and ability to follow instruction are traits that we encourage. Responsibility we require.

yep. Currently we (veterans) will split up and several of the rookies will join us and we teach them what we know.
Freshman (and other rookies) really are invaluable because they will be the core of the team when you leave. Also, if you don't know a skill well enough to teach it to someone else then you still have a lot of learning to do. One of the best ways to really understand something is to teach it and if there are no people to teach then that knowledge will leave with you and you'll have missed an opportunity to learn more about what you know.


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