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Tom Bottiglieri 22-02-2004 15:16
re-invention?
 
after going to a scrimmage, are any teams deciding to redo their robot in the 4 days befor it ships? They may seem crazy, but i think we are going to try it and see what happens. We were totally off the ball with our strategy this year, and we think we need to to entirely re design and re think everything.

Joe Ross 22-02-2004 16:01
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It wouldn't be the strangest thing that every happened. Team 237 completely rebuilt their robot in 2001 after their first regional. Jessica Boucher can probably give you more details, but here is a thread about it: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=13106

Aignam 22-02-2004 17:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ToMMan b182
after going to a scrimmage, are any teams deciding to redo their robot in the 4 days befor it ships? They may seem crazy, but i think we are going to try it and see what happens. We were totally off the ball with our strategy this year, and we think we need to to entirely re design and re think everything.
What strategy was it, if you don't mind my asking, that proved so unsuccessful?

Sscamatt 22-02-2004 17:07
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We don't think controlling the 2x is that big of a deal and that getting 5 point balls to the human player is much better

Tom Bottiglieri 22-02-2004 17:07
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grabbing the 2x ball. They seam to be the stacks of last year. Also, we would like to add a hanging feature, it seems like a good idea.

Aignam 22-02-2004 17:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ToMMan b182
grabbing the 2x ball. They seam to be the stacks of last year. Also, we would like to add a hanging feature, it seems like a good idea.
Manipulating the 2x balls will probably be excessively successful for those teams who can manipulate them excessively well. Likewise, the strategy will probably be moderately successful for those teams who can perform the task moderately well.

Sscamatt 22-02-2004 17:16
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That is true, but you need 5 point balls in the goal to double. So it's a major trade-off

Tom Bottiglieri 22-02-2004 17:16
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are you saying that because you have seen the competetion, or becasue you are defending what your strategy is?

Aignam 22-02-2004 18:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ToMMan b182
are you saying that because you have seen the competetion, or becasue you are defending what your strategy is?
I'm saying it because most FIRST games are similar in structure. There's always that one key element that can bring a team to the top. You all remember the insane ball collectors in 2002, and the amazing 2003 stackers, don't you?

Adam Y. 22-02-2004 18:29
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Seems to me that you would need some way to knock the 2x ball of one of the goals since you need they you can't get any balls in them without removing them.

ngreen 22-02-2004 18:33
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I think the 2X will become more important as the game goes on. I expect the finals will be stacked with team that can manipulate the 2x and hang alliances with small ball manipulators, some who might be able to hang. In finals, there is no reason to do everything individual, but do everything collectively very well.

Sscamatt 22-02-2004 18:36
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getting balls into the mobile goal is REALLY hard though...i think i only saw some in there a few times at the scrimmage...the stationary goal is so much easier to get balls into

computhief263 22-02-2004 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aignam
I'm saying it because most FIRST games are similar in structure. There's always that one key element that can bring a team to the top. You all remember the insane ball collectors in 2002, and the amazing 2003 stackers, don't you?
The 2003 stacking i dont think was nearly as important as the 2002 gather/collecting of balls. Last year my teams robot was based mainly around stacking...and what good did that do?....we could stack 7 high but it s pointless b/c a robot could very easily knock it down.

And from my view hanging from the bar is gonna be like that...goood in theory but very little effect/usefullness in the game. Im thinking that moving/controlling the small balls and controlling the 2x balls will be the most important this year.
jus my thought

Sscamatt 22-02-2004 19:16
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I disagree with the hanging being like stacking last year. Every team that hung yesterday at the UTC scrimmage pretty much won the matches they were in. There are so many different things to do in this years game that 2 minutes isnt enough to do it all

Aignam 22-02-2004 20:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by computhief263
The 2003 stacking i dont think was nearly as important as the 2002 gather/collecting of balls. Last year my teams robot was based mainly around stacking...and what good did that do?....we could stack 7 high but it s pointless b/c a robot could very easily knock it down.

And from my view hanging from the bar is gonna be like that...goood in theory but very little effect/usefullness in the game. Im thinking that moving/controlling the small balls and controlling the 2x balls will be the most important this year.
jus my thought
Granted stacking was a bit overshadowed by plowing last year, I still think hanging will be an essential aspect to winning this year's game. An extra 50 point, 100 if both partners can do it, is a huge advantage.


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