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Max Lobovsky 28-04-2004 23:20

Re: Looking back I would change...
 
Have you done any efficiency tests on them yet? I know the Bosch one was very low efficiency, i think less than 75% (its on one of the data sheets on www.usfirst.org). Of course i dont know how efficient a typical FIRST home made gearbox is, so its hard to compare. I just have to find some reason to build a shiny new gearbox... Howabout weight? tell me it weighs a ton. (yeah, i know, its gotta be pretty light....)

Ellery 02-06-2004 10:04

Re: Looking back I would change...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson
...almost nothing actually.

Many of you stopped by the pits in Atlanta to look at our Dewalt drill transmission and our modifications that allow us to drive the drill transmission with either a Chiaphua motor, Bosch drill motor, Fisher Price motor, Globe motor, or Keyang motor.

I told many of you that I was worried half to death that this transmission would end up being not as robust as I had hoped and then I would have 8 times as many problems. But in actual fact, we had almost zero problems with this transmissions. With 3 competitions on our "real" robot and hours and hours on our practice robot, I can't think of a single time we took a transmission off the robot because we had a problem with the motor or the transmission. I have never had as few problems with gearboxes and motors on a FIRST robot.

I am definitely going to be publishing a paper on these transmissions this summer. With some luck, we may even make contact with Dewalt in time to get some of these beauties in the kit next year.

They were awesome.

Joe J.


Joe, did you have any problems controlling the drives with this unit? As a typical planetary gear system the backlash is typically what most software guys complain about. Was the controllability of the drives at a high enough resolution? Adding encoders to this unit wouldn't seem to help it much becuase of that slop in the gear system.

Thanks Joe.

Ellery

Joe Johnson 02-06-2004 14:54

Re: Team 47... Alchemists...
 
There is some backlash, but to be honest, it is not all that much. With #35 Chain, it was often on the order of magnitude of our chain slack (if we let it get loose, which we did from time to time).

But, yes, the additional backlash can cause some problems for control loops at times. It is not that bad though. We ended up either living with the oscillations or adding damping to the system. The only joint we took steps to do something about were are fingers -- they are over powered and very lightly damped. We actually used some set screws on our finger axles, not to transfer torque (which everyone knows sucks) but to add drag to our pivots so that the extra damping removed the oscillations -- not exactly elegant but it worked.

Joe J.

JVN 02-06-2004 15:11

Re: Team 47... Alchemists...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson
There is some backlash, but to be honest, it is not all that much. With #35 Chain, it was often on the order of magnitude of our chain slack (if we let it get loose, which we did from time to time).

But, yes, the additional backlash can cause some problems for control loops at times. It is not that bad though. We ended up either living with the oscillations or adding damping to the system. The only joint we took steps to do something about were are fingers -- they are over powered and very lightly damped. We actually used some set screws on our finger axles, not to transfer torque (which everyone knows sucks) but to add drag to our pivots so that the extra damping removed the oscillations -- not exactly elegant but it worked.

Joe J.

Joe,
I saw the "magic" in Atlanta and was very impressed.
I'm just wondering how long until you have that whitepaper out?

I understand you're busy (aren't we all)... but I'm eager to learn more.

Thanks in Advance,
John

Joe Johnson 02-06-2004 15:29

Re: Team 47... Alchemists...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JVN
Joe,
I saw the "magic" in Atlanta and was very impressed.
I'm just wondering how long until you have that whitepaper out?

I understand you're busy (aren't we all)... but I'm eager to learn more.

Thanks in Advance,
John

Somethings got to give...

If I start to list the things I have going I will sound like a whiner so I will just leave it at that...

...I want to do it...

I think I will just have to get some pictures taken by one of our students. That should help me get the ball rolling.

Time will tell.

Joe J.

Max Lobovsky 02-06-2004 18:43

Re: Team 47... Alchemists...
 
Well, considering how much I want to see this white paper and how much I want people to contribue to FIRSTwiki, why not combine the two? You might consider starting a page like [[DeWalt gearbox adaptation]] where you, and other team 47 members could build up a page and eventually save it as a PDF and put it on CD or do whatever else you like with it. Just a thought :)

phrontist 02-06-2004 19:26

Re: Team 47... Alchemists...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxlobovsky
Well, considering how much I want to see this white paper and how much I want people to contribue to FIRSTwiki, why not combine the two? You might consider starting a page like [[DeWalt gearbox adaptation]] where you, and other team 47 members could build up a page and eventually save it as a PDF and put it on CD or do whatever else you like with it. Just a thought :)

Oh please man! Please do that!
:cool:


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