Chief Delphi - most feared thing

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jamapor

07-03-2004 00:38

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by Tyler Olds

According to the rules, all small balls on top of a capped ball still count and will get a 2x multiplier.

Cap a goal and try shooting in it. I guarentee you that you won't be able to get more than 3 balls in if it's capped high. We've tried it. If you cap, you can't get balls in on top of it unless the capped ball is pushed down.

Travis Hoffman

07-03-2004 07:11

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by Andy Grady

I posted this concept in a different thread. I feel that every other robot, even the teams who catch all 18 balls and roll them out to the human player, is beatable through the correct strategy. In most cases, I have even already thought of that strategy. The one doomsday scenario I can imagine is an ultra-tough, quick unfolding, funnel. If a robot can unfold itself and funnel balls directly from the troft to the human player zone, while being able to take multiple hits and avoid being moved...you really can't beat them. Of course then again, with some of the strategy nuts on this board, I wouldn't be suprised if someone could think of something. ;)

Line up across from them and push the moveable goal into their ball corral while in autonomous. You wouldn't have any opposition to this because they moved over to get the balls. It would, of course, have to be fast.

You could also inhibit their partner from triggering the small balls in autonomous then go and block their ball corrals with your robot and a goal before the 45 seconds hit. Then they could carry around their 18 balls til doomsday with no way to get them to the hp. If the ball collector bot lacked the ability to hang, they'd have a very tough time winning, I'd imagine.

Koko Ed

07-03-2004 07:41

Re: most feared thing

The one problem with "one-trick pony" robots is teams will figure them out and stop them from doing that one trick anymore. Got a ball collector? Block their goal with the movable goal or with your robot. A really good hanger? Get in their way on the ramp. A topper? Slap the double away or block their way to the goal.
As the season moves on you'll see more diversified robots moving to the forefront as teams figure out how to play the game more and learn to use more flexible strageies. As good as this weekend was it'll get even better.

Heretic121

07-03-2004 16:43

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most feared thing for me as HP... after BAE... having a BAD HP on our alliance team... or MYSELF not being up to my potential... which i wasnt on friday... (missed 1 ball which made the match a tie instead of a win..)

KenWittlief

07-03-2004 16:51

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by Heretic121

when you are out there on the field keep one thought in your head - a lot of work by a lot of people went into putting you and your machine on that field for those 120 seconds

if other people had done their job better you would have more small balls to shoot, or the auton mode would be faster, or the bot would be easier to drive, or you would be able to herd, cap and hang faster better stronger brighter...

so dont beat YOURSELF up if you miss a shot or flub a manuver driving the bot because

you are part of a team

if you win, you win as a team

if you lose, you lose as a team

but win or lose, you all rejoice in your effort, and you all ride the bus home together

as a team!

trev2023

07-03-2004 17:13

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

The bar blocking robot is not very possible. Many teams used "grappling hooks" or tethers to reach the bar fromt he ground or simply had long enough arms, so even if you swing or can stop off the top platform, they can still reach around and get on.

Aha, BUT the way to beat these robots is to get both your robots on the bar and make more of the balls given to you. :)

CHS_Tommy

17-03-2004 15:33

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at the florida regional, i saw that although many bots did try to hang from the side w/ grappling hooks, the ones that used the platform were more reliable. :rolleyes:

jamapor

17-03-2004 15:47

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Originally Posted by Eric Bareiss

Any robot that can hang in auto mode and keep other robots from hanging, or any robot that can catch every ball. An alliance that could do both would make my head explode. So if anyone wants to watch my head explode...

check out the threads on our robot (WPI - team 190)...we fit that criteria quite well

IMDWalrus

17-03-2004 15:48

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by Tyler Olds

Here is what I see winning:

1.) A robot who can catch all the balls while its partner triggers the bonus ball

2.) A robot who can get on the bar immediately and de-cap the 2x ball (if needed).

These two simple strategies I will fear the most. I fear even more an alliance who can do both of these, for I believe that they will be unstoppable.

Just remember...no one is unstoppable. Logically, every team has a weakness - our robot, for example, can't handle the movable goals at all. Beyond that, no robot is immune from mechanical problems. Battery becoming unplugged, wire being ripped out of place, a puncture in the pneumatics system...these can all doom a team to failure if they aren't caught at the right time. It's best not to get me started on programming - I've found (firsthand) so many ways to screw up a robot that it'd take days to list them all. :)

Every robot can be beaten...it's figuring out how that's the fun part. :D

Tyler Olds

17-03-2004 19:09

Re: most feared thing

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Originally Posted by IMDWalrus

This is what i said I would see winning........

If you were to read this entire thread, you would see that I put that anybody can be beaten. So yeah in no way did I say that this type of alliance could not be beaten.

danield710

17-03-2004 19:29

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the robot that i would fear the most would be one that can cap and hang at the same time

an alliance that i would fear the most is one that has one bot that herds balls and has a very good human player and the other bot can cap and hang very well and do them at the same time

Ryan Albright

17-03-2004 19:38

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two robots i fear 1083 and 179

Tytus Gerrish

17-03-2004 19:39

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a muscle bot that beats you up while your tryihg to cap a ball and your wheel breaks and you have to play a match with 3 wheel drive and there still beating you up

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