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Don Wright 15-03-2004 09:58
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Our students built a DDR pad to control our stacking mechanism last year (2003). I was very proud of them since it was completely designed, built, and debugged by them. It helped us win a judges award last year at the GLR.

Here is a picture of our "Dancer" getting ready for a match:

KenWittlief 15-03-2004 10:01
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
GLOVE?

GLOVE???

all you need is LOVE (-John in Yellow Submarine movie)

(I hope our driver doesnt see that DDR pad control -he's been wanting to do that for the last two years now

just because it would be so cool! :^)

Rick 15-03-2004 12:27
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
the first FIRST glove was actually way back in either 97 or 98 by none other than 121. Ill get more info but as far as i know an old skool Nintendo Power Glove was used to controll a feature on our robot.

MORE INFO TO COME!

ric2006 15-03-2004 16:07
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By the way, Our team was the FIRST to use the DDR pad. we built it ourselves out of 2x4's and lexan(condutive materials too). It contolled the wings for STACK ATTACK and won us a judges award, along with robotics summer camp and starting a Lego league team. It was a lot of fun to build and use

Psycho Penguin 15-03-2004 17:09
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
rich look up don already said that

rufu5 15-03-2004 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigqueue
This might be slightly off topic, but how do you use the gloves at the start of the match?

That is, it is my understanding that we can not be touching the control system during autonomous mode.....does that mean that you have the gloves off that that point and then run up and put them on, or are they on, with a simple connector interface that gets plugged in when driver mode begins?

I'm just curious how you handled this sort of stuff.

Thanks,
-Quentin
Our driver started with the gloves on, and I (the operator) held the plug-in and on the OI we built a kind of guider. When auto-mode was over I quiclky pluged them in and he could drive.

rufu5 15-03-2004 17:23
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta121
the first FIRST glove was actually way back in either 97 or 98 by none other than 121. Ill get more info but as far as i know an old skool Nintendo Power Glove was used to controll a feature on our robot.

MORE INFO TO COME!
But you guys didnt make those? You just used the power gloves nintendo had already created. Sorry to sound rude, im just trying to get my facts straight.

Rick 15-03-2004 17:31
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rufu5
But you guys didnt make those? You just used the power gloves nintendo had already created. Sorry to sound rude, im just trying to get my facts straight.
actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe

Gadget470 15-03-2004 17:38
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigqueue
This might be slightly off topic, but how do you use the gloves at the start of the match?

That is, it is my understanding that we can not be touching the control system during autonomous mode.....does that mean that you have the gloves off that that point and then run up and put them on, or are they on, with a simple connector interface that gets plugged in when driver mode begins?

I'm just curious how you handled this sort of stuff.

Thanks,
-Quentin
For 470's gloves last year, if you look on the picture of me explaining the gloves, hanging at my midsection is a black box with a serial connector on the end. Attached to our OI was the other end. When auto mode was finished, I stepped up to the control station, plugged in, and rocked out.

rufu5 16-03-2004 16:19
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta121
actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe
Nice, do you guys have a pic?

Andy Grady 16-03-2004 16:29
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ricksta121
actually i got my info. the nintendo power glove was not a kit part and could not be used. Instead a glove with limit switches and potentiometers was used to model after the powerglove. the year was 1997 and Aquatread(the flipper) was in full force.... hehehe
::Shudders thinking of the flipper:: Can we not talk about that blasted flipper, it still gives me nightmares! ;)

Anyway, Rick would be correct. The 121 glove was the first glove ever created to control robot components. After seeing that glove, my team actually tried to model a different glove in 1998 in which we used limit switches and potentiometers to create a replica of the Sony Playstation Glove Control. It worked well, but we just didn't use it.

Dan-o 17-03-2004 03:50
I can't believe that discussing the origins of technological advances in FIRST has actually come to an argument. Does it really matter who has the right to say they were the first to make a glove or a dance pad or a bot that can fly! Take a step back and say, wow there are gloves out there, look how far FIRST has come instead of fighting with eachother. Look at other teams not in this discussion. Does Beatty walk around with pins saying that they are statistically the best team ever to compete in competition (I'm not saying this is or is not true, just a simple example)? They are one of the more respectable teams out there, but they don't brag about their accomplishments. There are many teams out there like this who just take the successes with the failures, and don't fight with eachother. I am sorry if I have offended anyone, but this conversation is going in the wrong direction. Thank you for reading my 2 cents.

Kyle Fenton 17-03-2004 07:27
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rufu5
Nice, do you guys have a pic?


This is the best picture that I can find.

Brant Bowen 17-03-2004 15:30
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Ross
As far as innovations in OI controls, I would guess that you are the first to drive your robot without a joystick of some type (although some teams have used racing wheels in the past). However, you aren't the first to use a glove of any type (but you already know that).

Some notable FIRSTs in OI controls that I know of:

FIRST minature replica arm for control: team 308 in 2000
FIRST glove: 234 in 2001
DDR pads: 2003, sorry don't know the team

Personally, I think your stickers sound cute. If someone were to complain again, I would have your teammates explain why your glove systems are different, and also explain the pun to the humor impaired.

One final note on the judges. They often aren't involved in FIRST for any more time then just the regional they are judging at. Thus they have a very limited realm of which they are aware of. That's one reason why you occasionally see teams get awards for something that's been done many times before, etc.
We had a whole arm mechanism in a backpackthat the driver wore. As she moved her elbow the robot moved its elbow. At the end I beleive there was a handle which controlled how open and closed the gripper was. I don't think there was a glove on it, but that was the year before I started, so I could be wrong.

http://www.cyberblue234.com/images/p...s/DSCF0206.gif

David Kelly 17-03-2004 15:41
Re: We did gloves FIRST?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brant Bowen
We had a whole arm mechanism in a backpackthat the driver wore. As she moved her elbow the robot moved its elbow. At the end I beleive there was a handle which controlled how open and closed the gripper was. I don't think there was a glove on it, but that was the year before I started, so I could be wrong.

http://www.cyberblue234.com/images/p...s/DSCF0206.gif
Here are some more pictures to what Brant showed. That year we won an award at every competition we competed in for its innovation :]

http://www.cyberblue234.com/cb2003/images/RobotArm/


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