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How are the other teams involved in the Hall of Fame Award and display doing with their setup design?

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We are just about all set. Advisors met with our team officers and PR students about 10 days ago, we made decisions, and split up tasks. As of yesterday we are about 80% done.

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We are almost done as well. It displays our team, our partnership between Xerox and Wilson Magnet and our Chairman's award philosiphy and our mentoring other Rochester teams and Rochester FIRST. Lots of images from all of our years in FIRST.

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One good thing about FIRST doing this is they actually bring the Chairman's award to the championship and make it a part of the competition (as in visable) compared to the end of the day stealth award that it's far too often been treated as.

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I am still hoping that FIRST will see the light and post all the Chairman's regional winners entries on their site so that everyone can see what each of these role model teams has done. It's very hard to have a role model that has done innovative things but not have any way to find out what they are. Most of the winners have not posted their entry on their website and many don't even have working websites. It would be great to see what was happening in Arizona and Arkansas and on and on.
I'm just trying to spread the word...
Any suggestions on who to address this issue to?
Rich, any ideas?
Thanks.
Jenny

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The famed 1994 award submission in the form of a gameboard is in possesion of FIST I am told and it was the only copy.
FIRST should put the winning regional entries on display in some sort of kiosk like they have in the record stores to look up info for music and the actual award in a case in the area. There are teams in FIRST that do not even understand the Chairman's award. This is the perfect opportunity for FIRST to educate everyone (even the winners) on truly what FIRST is about.

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The Hall of Fame display in Atlanta will be a strong attempt to "demystify" the efforts of past CA winners and, hopefully, inspire many more teams to submit entries in the future. FIRST is working hard at bringing these examples forward.

However, posting all winning entries is not practical. 2003 was the first year these entires were standardized - four pages. Prior to that, all entires just needed to be viewable in "x" amount of time. So, anything prior to 2003 could be a substantially longer document, video, powerpoint, etc.

As for learning about the teams and "what they are all about" - a visit to team websites can give anyone a good idea. Here are a few:

2003 - Team 103: look under "award entries" for actual submissions from the past three years.

2002 - Team 175: All major outreach initiatives are listed and explained.

1992 & 1994 - Team 191: I highly recommend the "history" section that provides one page for each year of the X-Cats evolution. Cool stuff.

The Award and all historical winners are listed here:
http://www.usfirst.org/robotics/res_art11.htm

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Rich, I'm probably in the wrong thread here and should move over to CA. I agree those are all great resources. However, since many of the teams that would benefit the most from learning about what is happening around the country will not be at the Championship, since it would be so easy (4 page electronic submission) to post this years winners on a site and since most of the teams who won this year have not posted their entry (thanks go out to 811, the only one from the first two weeks of regionals who has) and since so many teams don't even have a functioning website! I'm really trying here. Do you really think it is impractical for FIRST to post all this year's Regional winning entries?

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The coaches and students from Team 47 has been working on the presentation of the material and I believe have completed the storyboarding and conceptual design portion. I think we are in the creation stages of the actual stuff that we will be presenting. So, I guess we are doing okay - we are not going to add the velcro material onto the laminated presentation material until we get to the venue. I would advise ALL of the HoF teams to wait until you see the material you will be attaching to before doing anything. The displays themselves require only velcro (hook side) to attach stuff to them. (we have used them in the past at our CDI events). If anyone has questions about the displays (material, construction, lighting, ect. - contact me at this website)
I think the idea is absolutely fantastic - it will be like a mobile Hall of Fame for everyone that can't get to FIRST place in New Hampshire to enjoy.

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You mean this is a one shot deal? I thought this was supposed to be a yearly thing we do for FIRST. In case we come up with any new ideas.

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Ed:
It's my understanding it's ongoing as well.

RoboMom:
My apologies. I thought you were speaking of Championship Winners only since it was in this thread. I like your idea personally and I agree, but the four page entries are not the property of FIRST, rather they are the property of teams. There have been threads in the past (I remember one started by Rich Wong last year) that discussed the pros and cons of sharing CA submissions and I'd suggest reading those.

MeAubry:
I can't wait to see 47's contribution and I apologize for not including chief delphi's student made website on my earlier list.

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I was happy to finally see a Chiefdelphi site about Chiefdelphi. They're so mysterious. :)

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Ed and Rich,
Its my understanding that this will be an annual thing that the previous hall of Fame members will do. I also agree that it will be dynamic in that it will be updated and different each year to include the past years involvement in continueing the effort to enhance FIRST.

Rich,
Thanks for including the students website - they have worked very hard on it (especially Dwayne and the rest of the web team)

Ed, sorry we were or are so mysterious, didn't mean to be. I'm sure there are some pretty tired Chiefs trying to rest up after this past weekend. What an exciting ride we went on, just glad good things happened in the end.

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I meant over the years.
There was never a Chiefdelphi site dedicated to just the team. Just the messageboard so no one got to know about the team outside of the messageboard (not everybody does it. It's an aquired taste I suppose) and sometimes they just want info on your history, team members, what you do for the community and such. Y'know basic website blah, blah, blah.

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Ed,
Yes you are correct (sort of). We have had them, but this year is the first time we linked them to this site for everyone to have access to. In the past we used it for internal communication and training the students in website development. We are lucky to have a few this year that have a knack for Website development and enjoy it enough to take it on and complete it.

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[quote=Rich Kressly]Ed:
It's my understanding it's ongoing as well.

RoboMom:
My apologies. I thought you were speaking of Championship Winners only since it was in this thread. I like your idea personally and I agree, but the four page entries are not the property of FIRST, rather they are the property of teams. There have been threads in the past (I remember one started by Rich Wong last year) that discussed the pros and cons of sharing CA submissions and I'd suggest reading those.


Rich: no apologies needed. Thanks for the suggestion and I'll move off this thread and onto the one for CA. I'll make sure I read the past threads before I send off my letter to FIRST.
Thanks.
Jenny

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Great idea Jenny.

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Question isn't 16 in the hall of fame and if they are how did they win a reagional chairmans???? I am not clear if 16 is a chairmans awards winner or not. Too many hits in the head building the robot i guess.

shaun

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Uh yeah, they have and I guess FIRST has decided that they can qualify for both awards or something.

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ok so they are chairmans award winners i though you could never win twice any more???? I though that you had to earn stars or something??? Can any other hall of fame teams and or 16 explain(clarify) this to me because i am not getting it?

shaun

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If FIRST or Chief Delphi doesn't do it, we can do it.

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Well it would help if FIRST put out an official document about the Chairman's award status of previous winners and this award's elegiblity. As of right now, I guess you can go for both awards.

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You got all of the documents?

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Wait - now I'm confused.
Ed, are you sure Baxter Mountain Home has won a Chairmans Award prior to this year? I don't recall that, but if you are correct then somethings wrong because we recieved a letter stating that previous winners were not eligible for a regional chairmans award. I think we were told to send our 4 page submittal directly to FIRST to get approved to create the presentation at Atlanta. I'm thinking that Baxter has not ever won a National Chairmans Award yet.

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'fraid so.

HISTORICAL CHAIRMAN'S AWARD WINNERS
2002
175 - "BUZZ" - Hamilton Sundstrand Space Systems International/The New England Air Museum/Techni-Products/Veritech Media & Enrico Fermi High School

2001
22 - NASAJPL/Boeing/Rocketdyne/FADL Engineering/Decker Machine & Chatsworth High School

2000
16 - Baxter Healthcare Corporation & Mountain Home High School

1999
120 - NASA Lewis Research Center/TRW, Inc./Battelle Memorial Institute & East Technical High School

1998
23 - Boston Edison & Plymouth North High School

1997
47 - Delphi International & Pontiac Central High School

1996
144 - Procter & Gamble & Walnut Hills High School

1995
151 - Lockheed Sanders & Nashua High School

1994
191 - Xerox Corporation & JC Wilson Magnet High School

1993
7 - AT&T Bell Labs & Science High School

1992
191 - Xerox Corporation & JC Wilson Magnet High School

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We have the same letter. I'm sure there is an explanation. The BombSquad is a great team, a fine example for us all, and super to work with as an alliance partner, but it appears that there may have been a miscommunication.

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Thanks for the confirmation on that one Rich.
I just checked the FIRST site and it does list Team 16 as the Chairmans Award winner at the Chesapeake Regional. I'll check it out tomorrow and find out whats going on - I'll post the answer I get later. By the way, I agree that Team 16 is a outstanding example for everyone. No disrespect intended - just confused about what we were suppose to submit to whom.

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You weren't being disrespectful. From what I assumed before, I too, thought they were not eligible for the award and when they won I was totally shocked. But if they are deserving, they are deserving.

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I'm in total agreement with you Ed. I just wonder about other deserving teams that submitted to the Chesapeake Regional. Doesn't it seem like someone just missed out on that opportunity? Hate to be the runner up at that one!

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I was thinking this was why FIRST did this so that new teams could win the Chairman's award and get to go to the Championship while giving the previous award winner their due and something to aim for year after year.

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Thanks for checking on this. I'm in a really awkward position here because we did submit to Chesapeake, along with many other teams, obviously. I've been dancing around, trying to inquire with gracious professionalism but I am so confused. It's hard enough trying to figure out where to submit (I always assumed that it was "good form" to submit to your closest regional, but maybe not) and then when a team wins who you didn't even think was eligible, it is so frustrating. It seems there are teams that have been finalists repeatedly over the years. I know the system has evolved over the years and continues evolving.
That said, Team 16 has a long history of being a role model and deserves to be recognized. I just wish that FIRST would help us understand the rules.
Rich, I'm really trying to get out of this thread, promise :)
Jenny

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And just to clarify a sticky situation that has occurred numerous times, Team 007 Parkville Robotics, is not the same as Team 7 which won in 1993. We got a recycled number in 1996. Took me quite a while over the phone to explain to a nice person at FIRST that although we would LOVE to come to NH for induction into the Hall of Fame, it wasn't us. She thought I was joking. :confused:

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No, but if there's a need for space to display them , we could do it on our web.

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That would be a mixed bag of feelings to miss all the excitement of winning in the moment at your regional, and be made the winner after the fact.

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Just a nitpick but Parkville High School was assigned the number team 7 in 1998 (I remember when we first figured out it would be represented as 007). In 1997 it was team 5. 1997 also happened to be the rookie year for Parkville's team.

Matt

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Hi Matt, we miss you back East!
You're not nitpicking, you are CLARIFYING and thank you for doing so. I was counting backwards and it's evident that my sons didn't get any of their math genes from me. :)

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I am from team 16 and I apologize for any confusion. At the moment, I am a little confused also. I can not find any documentation that clearly states that past chairman's award winning teams can or cannot compete at regionals. Can someone send me a copy of this letter? As far as I know, we have not recieved a letter that says we cannot submit a chairmans award presentation to a regional. The only thing I have found close to this is in the FIRST hall of fame fact sheet, that says "teams are not able to win anoher Chairman's Award, and the Hall of Fame applications will receive separate review by a panel of judges." The assumption is that this pertains only to championships as the rest of the document pertains to championships. I think the judges at Chesapeake would have informed us if this was not allowed unless there was some miscommunication. Judges at St. louis also inquired of our chairman's submission. Does anyone know of documentation that clarifies this that I am unaware of??? Thanks for your help.

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Ashley,
Thank you so much for stepping up to the plate. 16 is a class act and that's why the BombSquad is so well known and looked up to.

The fact sheet sent to all Hall of Fame teams is the correct document. "Teams are not eligible to win another Chairman's Award..." was interpreted differently by our team and others.

An advisor from our team has been part of the Hall of Fame committee that was formed in the aftermath of the summer reception in Manchester where workshops were held to brainstorm ideas on promoting Chairman's and the Hall of Fame (see this thread). She helped develop the process and it was always Team 103's understanding that no Hall of Fame team could make any Chairman's submission on any level. Instead, Hall of Fame teams now submit the same four pages directly to FIRST for additional Hall of Fame recognition in the hopes of inspiring more teams to submit Chairman's entries.

However, there is no "other place" to verify any of this and I certainly appreciate 16 coming forward to answer the questions people have.

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Hi all,
Like Rich said, Thanks Ashley for responding.
The folks at FIRST and the committee that was formed to do the HoF have been notified and are gonna look into the situation. I'm sure that they will contact all of the teams and let us know what is going on. I don't think that there is any irreversable harm that has been done - I trust they will come up with a very good solution to the problem.
Interestingly enough, they have also had rookie teams submit a Chairman Award at a regional. Sounds like there needs to be a better filter implemented to assure those that submit are eligible. Like I said, no worries - it'll all get straightened out.

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probably because of Section 8.1.3.15 of the manual

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Thanks meaubry for this post. I too trust that FIRST will come up with a meaning clarification. And Ashley, I too, appreciate your post and I hope you realize that this is not about the merits of your team. There is just a lot of miscommunication going on over the process itself.

If those rookie teams that are submitting are NASA grant receipients, it is a requirement of getting any NASA money to prepare a Chairman's Award entry. NASA wants their documentation. But I don't know where it goes from there, whether they go on thru the interview process.

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Joe,
I would have identified the following -
8.2.2 · First-Year (Rookie) and NASA Grant Teams:

Because the Chairman's Award recognizes sustained excellence and impact, not just a one-year team effort, it is not possible for a first-year (rookie) team to receive this honor. We encourage Rookies, however, to develop a Chairman's Award submission which judges will use as a criterion to judge the Rookie All-Star Award. This submission will document where your team started its FIRST journey and will also provide background for documenting the results of your team's efforts.

I understand that they are allowed to submit, but my concern is that the folks that are reviewing the submittals are not aware of this section in the manual. Why schedule an interview with a team that can't win it - unless it's to encourage that team to continue it's effort next year. I suppose that would be a great idea as long as the teams were told what was going on.