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Eric Bareiss 22-03-2004 15:03

Regional Championship or Regional Chairmans?
 
Here's a question I've been thinking about. Would you rather win a Regional Championship or Regional Chairmans Award?

I'm not asking which is better, or which one is more prestigeous. The question is which one would make you happier. If you had to choose one which would it be? You can say why if you want.

Aaron Lussier 22-03-2004 15:09

Re: Regional Championship or Regional Chairmans?
 
Champions. My team has won chairmans out right way back in 95' so I really dont care about that. I also have a bit of bias, I've been mech ever since I started 4 years ago. For once I just want to see our robot finish in first place, to see something I helped build finish first.

-Aaron

Collin Fultz 22-03-2004 15:09

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While 234 has never won a regional championship, we have won a regional chairman's. To me, the chairman's would make me happer. For me, it shows that I have been a part of a true FIRST team...not simply a robotics team. It shows me that I have been inspirational to somebody, just as FIRST has been inspirational to me. of course, winning both at one regional would be cool too (congratulations team 330 and any others who have accomplished this amazing feat!)

Ryan Albright 22-03-2004 15:09

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Def regional champion, i mean sure chairmen is great but just the fact of your robot performing well and the joy of beeing up there in the finals and winning the whole thing i think that would beat pretty much anythign

Rich Kressly 22-03-2004 15:11

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I've had the pleasure of experiencing both.
My personal opinion ... Chairman's

KathieK 22-03-2004 15:16

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Speaking strictly as an adult mentor (and not reflecting my team's opinion), I'd rather win a Regional Chairman's Award. The CA honors teams who are doing above and beyond creating a great competitive robot. It recognizes the efforts of team members who may not be into the robot design and building process (but who may have skills in marketing, computer programming and animation, accounting, writing, etc. - all skills that are necessary on a well-rounded team). It recognizes year-round efforts by team members and their impact on their community and partnerships with their sponsors and schools.

Of course it is an honor to win a Regional Competition as well, which is recognition of an intense 6 week build cycle.

But in the end, it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, it's how you've played the game that counts. The goal of FIRST isn't to win anything, it's all about the process you went through to get there.

Joel J 22-03-2004 15:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Bareiss
Here's a question I've been thinking about. Would you rather win a Regional Championship or Regional Chairmans Award?

I'm not asking which is better, or which one is more prestigeous. The question is which one would make you happier. If you had to choose one which would it be? You can say why if you want.

I am a competitor. The atmosphere created within a team that makes them chairman's award worthy is the true goal of FIRST; it should be second nature. One would expect that all teams would be "chairman's worthy" entering into a competition and would then be able to compete against one another for something more physical. An award to single out a team whose unity and outreach is better than others may eventually be played down. Regional Champion.

HalloweenDMB 22-03-2004 15:38

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Personally for me, I would like to win the regional chairmans. Because it's a culmination of years work and dedication



Melissa

Koko Ed 22-03-2004 15:40

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I would prefer the Chairman's award. It is the truest measure of a FIRST team.

Courtneyteam330 22-03-2004 15:41

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This year I was really into actually building the robot and I did a lot of that but I also put in a lot of work writing the entry and doing the interview. So both were great experiences and I would say that winning one isn't really better than the other for me but I am sure it is different for each person depending on what your role in the team is.

David Kelly 22-03-2004 15:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by collin234
While 234 has never won a regional championship, we have won a regional chairman's. To me, the chairman's would make me happer. For me, it shows that I have been a part of a true FIRST team...not simply a robotics team. It shows me that I have been inspirational to somebody, just as FIRST has been inspirational to me. of course, winning both at one regional would be cool too (congratulations team 330 and any others who have accomplished this amazing feat!)

Collin, Cyber Blue 234 won the midwest regional championship in 2001 with 71, 269, 111, and 112. :]

MrB 22-03-2004 15:59

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REGIONAL CHAIRMANS

This year we just "happened to win" the SBPLI Chairman's Award. Every year we will of course strive to reach "#1", but nothing will ever compare to the feeling of being awarded FIRST's most prestigious award, the Chairman's Award.

Our team put 3 years of effort into this award, and has established a network of relationships within the community and our sponsors that superseeds the short lived effect of winning "first place" in one single competition.

Winning the Regional Chamionship is no small task, but some of the game is luck and some is skill. Having your team named the Regional Chairman's Award winner is far more than just "comming in first place."

Sorry, for the ramble, I'm still on cloud nine. This has been a spectacular year for our team...

Beth Sweet 22-03-2004 16:05

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::Personal Opinion Alert::

100% I would rather win the Chairman's Award. Maybe it's because I've spent every free moment of the last two years (ever since I was introduced to FIRST) trying to do everything in my power to get my team to win it. Unfortunately, for both years we have lost the award to two very incredible and deserving teams. I have been promised by the juniors on the team and in the Chairman's Group this year that next year, they will take home the award though. I can only imagine how incredible it must feel to be able to walk down and accept that...

Collin Fultz 22-03-2004 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by David Kelly
Collin, Cyber Blue 234 won the midwest regional championship in 2001 with 71, 269, 111, and 112. :]

sorry...234 has never won a regional while i've been on the team. a culmination of great robots and a really great strategy. 710. awesome. i probably watch the video once a month.

AsimC 22-03-2004 16:30

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without a doubt...CHAIRMANS

yea winning a regional is nice, but when we won chairmans, it was definitely the best feeling ive ever had. Even though me and a couple of other ppl worked so hard for our team to win the award, im sure everyone on my team has the same exact feeling. Its UNBELIEVEABLE!

Stina236 22-03-2004 18:48

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Chairman's Award... We've won a regional before, and while it was great and i was really proud.. it just didn't carry the same weight for me as winning the chairman's award did. for me it's quite an emotional thing to actually win the chairman's award- it's the main goal that i and the rest of the team has been working toward for a serious of years.

Alex Cormier 22-03-2004 19:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Koko Ed
I would prefer the Chairman's award. It is the truest measure of a FIRST team.

yup, we have already won a regional anyways.. next: get chairmans...

Combat Chuck 22-03-2004 20:16

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I'd have to say that I'd rather win a Regional Championship. Doing things all year long is nice and all, but it's not the robot itself. I'm one of those build with their hands kinda guys, so to me, the robot is a more real accomplishment. I would rather have the best robot than community outreach.

fred 22-03-2004 20:24

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I was just a rookie last year and our team won both a regional chairmans and also the galileo division at nats. I would put a division winning almost over a regional win cause there are only 4 divisions per year and all that. But anyway, a lot of the seniors on the team were crying and getting broken down after winning chairmans and while everyone was still really psyched to win the division at Nats, I think that Chairman's was the best experience for me personally.

Nate Edwards 22-03-2004 23:24

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We won the Chairman's Award last year and it was one of the greatest moments of my life. We won the Regional this year and it was dissapointing, because we didn't win the Chairman's Award. There is no doubt in my mind that the Regional Chairman's Award is better then the Regional Championship. We work so much harder for the Chairman's Award then the 3 days for the Regional Championship.
Nate

Solace 22-03-2004 23:59

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chairmans awards and what they represent are nice and all, but i joined this program to build robots, not to spread peace and goodwill towards men. We play to win, and winning the UTC regional this past weekend made me happier than any mere award could have. it is a reflection of me as a driver, and of how hard our team has worked to build it. to me, time spent trying to make a chairman's award submission is time that could have been better spent making the robot more competitive.

I'm not saying that the Chairman's award is not important, cause it is. it just isn't as interesting. kids don't join a robotics team so that they can mentor another robotics team, they join the team cause they want to build a robot and build it better than everyone else. we learn as we go, and the learning is more fun because we know that the robot we make is a representation of us as a team, so we do the best that we possibly can.

gsensel 23-03-2004 00:11

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Well it is nice to get both, but truely a chairmans award has more prestige behind it especially if you can win at the national level.

Michelle 236 25-03-2004 21:49

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personally the regional chairman's award would make me happier, but it's definately a close call

the CA means a little more to me because another girl and I are the authors and i know that we, along with the rest of the team put a lot of work into it all year long. i think the chairman's award appeals more to the altruistic side of people and I think it honors the team on a more personal level.

but then again, if i was a driver i might say being a regional champion would make me happier, i guess it just depends on what you devote most of your time to on the team

Tom Bottiglieri 25-03-2004 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Solace
chairmans awards and what they represent are nice and all, but i joined this program to build robots, not to spread peace and goodwill towards men. We play to win, and winning the UTC regional this past weekend made me happier than any mere award could have. it is a reflection of me as a driver, and of how hard our team has worked to build it. to me, time spent trying to make a chairman's award submission is time that could have been better spent making the robot more competitive.

I'm not saying that the Chairman's award is not important, cause it is. it just isn't as interesting. kids don't join a robotics team so that they can mentor another robotics team, they join the team cause they want to build a robot and build it better than everyone else. we learn as we go, and the learning is more fun because we know that the robot we make is a representation of us as a team, so we do the best that we possibly can.

I am in total agreement... Its such a great feeling to see 6 weeks worth your sweat blood and tears out there competing. Its just such a rush to see something YOU created up in the lime light, performing to perfection.

Bridgette 25-03-2004 21:58

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I really don't think I could decide. I did the most work on my team's chairman's award submission, and I'm on the drive team. So either would be great. A lot of work is put into both the robot and the chairman's award submission. There's no way I could choose.

Jones571 25-03-2004 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Solace
chairmans awards and what they represent are nice and all, but i joined this program to build robots, not to spread peace and goodwill towards men. We play to win, and winning the UTC regional this past weekend made me happier than any mere award could have. it is a reflection of me as a driver, and of how hard our team has worked to build it. to me, time spent trying to make a chairman's award submission is time that could have been better spent making the robot more competitive.

I'm not saying that the Chairman's award is not important, cause it is. it just isn't as interesting. kids don't join a robotics team so that they can mentor another robotics team, they join the team cause they want to build a robot and build it better than everyone else. we learn as we go, and the learning is more fun because we know that the robot we make is a representation of us as a team, so we do the best that we possibly can.

That is the best way to put it jake we worked so hard builgin a robot not writing an english paper! even tho chairmans does take lots of work winning a competition takes a great deal more.

Billfred 26-03-2004 21:40

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WARNING: This post may be loaded with excessive amounts of rookie mentality, and is not necessarily the view of team 1293.

Personally, I'd have to side with regional champs. For starters, I helped build the robot this year more than anything else, and I've also been trying (and probably failing miserably, due to my lack of reading CD) to think up some strategies--and regional champions says that your combination of robot, driver, HP, and strategy was the best of the breed.

It's also easier to explain to non-FIRST folks. (Yeah, I know it's hard to believe that said people exist.) If I say my team won the Chairman's Award, the reaction ranges from "Cool" to "Wuzzat?" The term champion, for whatever reason, just seems to be more well-understood.

Matt D 26-03-2004 23:27

Regional Chairmans and Woodie Flowers
 
I personally would prefer to win the Chairman's Award. I've been on a team that has excelled on and off the field so I've already experienced both. This year, I personally headed up mentoring two teams 1031 and 1422. I also worked on the community service aspect of the team helping with a clothes drive and a bag lunch for day workers thing. I also worked on the presentation aspect, but this is only a minor part (even though I spent more time on it). One of the coolest things at Sacramento this year was having our mentor, Steve Kyramarios, win the Woodie Flowers Award, even though we won the regional. The second coolest thing (at least to me) was tying the national high score (at that time we thought we beat it.)

These are my experiences. I'm not sure about the rest of the team.

BerserkerSpyke 27-03-2004 09:36

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I would definately prefer chairmans. (and yes I know the opinon is a little tainted because we won a regional chairmans this year) The real reasons I feel wining chairman's is better:

1. Chairmans is a true measure of your team, not a measure of your robot.
2. If even a small problem occurs in the finals it can cost you the championship (I know, our battery died in the final match last year).
3. Chairmans is awarded after the final match so you have something to hope for even if you lost champions.
4. Chairmans shows that you have made a difference to someone, somewhere... it really feels good.

Overall, I think it is great if you do well at regionals but I hold chairmans at a high level.

Mike D'Auria 08-11-2006 01:43

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I would chose chairmen's. 522 has won both regional championship and chairmen's. I think that chairmen's shows how well the actual team is and to me thats more important than having one of our girls win (Although I do love that to.) It shows how well the team works together and that were are a true FIRST team as Collin Fultz said. It's everything FIRST is about. Gracious Professionalism and Cooperation.

StephLee 08-11-2006 07:35

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I voted regional chairman's, because our team has already won one regional championship. I'd love to see all our hard work rewarded on both ends of the deal.

Alexa Stott 08-11-2006 09:22

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I'm really one the fence with this one. We won both this season, and with the Chairman's, it was really nice to be rewarded for all efforts to help bring FIRST to many different high schools.

However, when going out into your community, whether it's for sponsorship or just to spread the word on your team, a championship always looks better in that sense. People outside of FIRST don't really know what Chairman's really is, and often, there is not enough time in your short, minute long sales pitch to explain it to them.

To me, winning the Chairman's was a truly amazing experience because it not only rewarded work that we had done that season, but all the time and energy students from years before put into our team.

RoboMadi 08-11-2006 10:20

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Day before yesterday, i was trying to convince a friend that Chairmans is more important than championship.........well, now poll results speak for themselves.

Why Chairmans?
Chairmans is awarded to a team that shows good organizational structure while at the same time committed to spread the message of FIRST.
So, without an organizational structure there would be no robot.
What comes FIRST?
Organizational Structure........ so the chairmans award.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far I've noted all the awesome Champion Robots backed by Chairman Winning Teams or Teams with strong organizational structure.

KelliV 08-11-2006 10:34

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I have been on a team that has won The Championship, a few regionals, two Regional Chairman's and the Championship Chairman's. My choice is Chairman's hands down.

Why?

A championship is nice at any level but, like it or not, it is the product of the teams that work on the robot itself, not the other teams that make up the program like marketing, video, etc.
Chairman's is something that can be shared by everyone on a team, past and present. It doesn’t matter if you were on the team just to hand out buttons or had your hand inside the robot 24/7. Chairman’s is for more than your team members, it is for your mentors, alumni, school, community, and parents. It is for everyone that helped you on your way. I was proud to go in front of my old high school at our assembly and tell all 2000 or so people in those stands that they helped us win. I hope that everyone someday gets the experience of winning the Chairman’s Award, it is one of the best you will ever have.

Richard Wallace 08-11-2006 11:15

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I voted for regional chairman's, based on the same reasoning already expressed by several previous posters.

My team has won a regional chairman's award. :) We've never gotten past the semifinal round in elims, though. :(

Of course, a competitive robot has always been our goal during build season. And it will be again this year. I have a feeling this may be our year to set the right targets for robot capabilities, and get ourselves on a winning alliance. :D

But the chairman's award will remain our yardstick; it's the one that the great teams win.

rees2001 08-11-2006 12:01

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I guess what it comes down to is do you like the excietment of winning a regional championship or the satisfaction of winning a Chairman's. We've won both a couple times & sometimes the regional victory can feel either very excieting or a bit hollow. It really depends on your team's role. You are part of an alliance. The Chairman's is all about your team. If you're a competitor you love the Championship, if you are a dedicated worker, you love the Chairman's.

Dylan Gramlich 08-11-2006 12:55

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I had to say Regional Chairmans. I have experienced several regional championships and found that that feeling is amazing, to know that your robots combined to make the most powerful, potent, and formidible alliance at that regional. But that feeling only lasts for so long, that year you are considered more for nationals because of winning a regional. But the next year not many people care :( because your robot was great in LAST YEARS GAME!!! Last years performance does not affect the way teams look at you as much as a Chairmans award would. If you have won a Chairmans award you are sorta looked up to by the younger teams or teams that have not won one. They look to your team to see what the embodiment of FIRST is(my opinion is not a reflection of my team, although i think at least some of them agree with me).

Alexa Stott 08-11-2006 13:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dylan Gramlich
Last years performance does not affect the way teams look at you as much as a Chairmans award would.

I have to disagree with you one this one. Each year, I know for a fact that many people sit there in build season thinking "What will Beatty/Wildstang/Cheesy Poofs come up with this year?" Now, two of the teams I named in there are, in fact, National Chairman's Award winners, but even before 111 won it this season, people were still thinking that same thing.

Beatty just won its first regional chairman's this year, yet they are one of the most feared teams in FIRST.

JaneYoung 08-11-2006 14:02

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418 spends time working with young students who have not had access to engineering concepts. We have been very fortunate to be welcomed into their communities and schools. At the end/beginning of each year (it really is the same) I always remember these children and their smiles when the light goes on. The first time their car clears the maze and pulls in to park because they programmed it to. That's a very special moment. In my mind, that is part of what winning a Chairman's would be about, those moments and sharing them with our communities.

Just a thought.

Nica F. 08-11-2006 14:22

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Chairman's award gets my vote because it goes beyond the build season. Of course regional champs would be a great reward for all that hard work, but Chairman's give you a sense that not only have you helped yourself and others on your team, but you've made a difference in your community and beyond.

savage301 08-11-2006 14:37

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I voted regional championship, not because I do not value the Chairman's Award, but because I am more a part of the robot side of the team. While I do participate in our team community service events and go to expos to help spread FIRST, I am more devoted to the mechanical aspect of team. There fore I would rather see the robot do well and win a regional, than win a Chairman's Award. But I would be ecstatic with either one.

Tim Delles 08-11-2006 15:00

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Okay so i guess i can put my 2 cents in.

I would have to say that in my opinion the best thing to win is a regional championship. As a previous high school student and now as i mentor, i know that personally for my team, the students are more excitted, and more willing to participate the better we do. So if continuing to win inspires them then we have succeeded in one aspect of FIRST. Now with the inspiration we can only hope that our high school students will eventually want to go out and spread the message of FIRST and to show other people how exciting it is, but you can not do this without them being inspired themselves.

This is just coming from my stand point as a previous high school student. I know that the thing that inspired me the most was to help drive a robot i helped build, into winning a regional. The exciting and culimnation of the 6 weeks was roled up into one final match. This helped me to try and inspire other students, and I am now a mentor on the same team I was a high school student.

But it really depends on the team, and the students which is better for your team, because sometimes inspiration can best come from winning, and sometimes it doesn't

Donut 08-11-2006 15:18

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Regional Champion. This almost always sounds more impressive to people who don't know the FIRST competition, I'm a very competitive person so I like to win, and to most of the students on our team this is why they are in the robotics club; this is their big project.

We have never had a seperate group for marketing or media stuff on our team (we finally created a media group starting this fall), which means in the past everyone has been involved in the robot building. Now we'll have people who will focus more on animation and website (occasionaly helping with the robot), but our marketing and all of that will still be done by the club as a whole (the brunt of the work is our officer's job). Since everyone on our team is involved with the robot, a Regional Championship will mean something to all of them.

My choice also has something to do with my mentality; when I first joined our robotics team, I cared about building a robot, and one that would perform well. I did not join our robotics team my freshman year with the intention of doing community service and teaching others about technology. After 4 years I do those things now; however I expect everyone who joins our team to have the same attitude I had at least their first year (more likely their 2nd and maybe beyond), and I definitely don't expect most of the members to get as involved with our team as I have become.

To me the competition will always be about how our robot performs. I would be ecstatic for a Regional Chairman's, but I want that Championship more.

Lil' Lavery 08-11-2006 15:28

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This is my personal opinion and should be used in no way to reflect the opinion of my team as a whole.
While I'd readily take either award, and pour my soul into striving to win them both, I'd rather be a regional champion at this point. I don't need a judge to tell me that I have helped inspire and that I'm working to spread FIRST. I know I am. I may not be doing quite as much as the top notch teams we've submitted against the last few years (namely 341 and 1002, both of which have won 3 RCAs and have been CMP CA Honorable Mentions), but I am doing plenty. I have seen and heard the reactions at our outreach events, to our publicity, to our team, and I know I am helping.
I also know the feeling, the buzz, after winning a big match. I know the excitement when taking the field during the eliminations. And I want that again.

Richard Wallace 08-11-2006 16:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
This is my personal opinion and should be used in no way to reflect the opinion of my team as a whole.
While I'd readily take either award, and pour my soul into striving to win them both, I'd rather be a regional champion at this point. I don't need a judge to tell me that I have helped inspire and that I'm working to spread FIRST. I know I am. I may not be doing quite as much as the top notch teams we've submitted against the last few years (namely 341 and 1002, both of which have won 3 RCAs and have been CMP CA Honorable Mentions), but I am doing plenty. I have seen and heard the reactions at our outreach events, to our publicity, to our team, and I know I am helping.
I also know the feeling, the buzz, after winning a big match. I know the excitement when taking the field during the eliminations. And I want that again.

There is a lot of honest truth in Sean's post. I know it reflects the comments of many VIPs that I have escorted at FRC events, who understood all of the judged awards as consolation prizes for teams that worked hard but did not seed high or do well in the tournament. For these visitors, their tour of the pits is like a peek backstage, while the real show is on the field. The ones that we recruit to be judges change their minds about that.

But many top business leaders (who don't have the time to serve as judges) share Sean's view of the competition; i.e., the teams that 'get it' already know that they do, and at the event they are the ones that will succeed on the field. Or not, since sometimes the breaks don't go your way.

I still think the awards are important recognition. Especially the Chairman's award. As Woodie says, we get the best of what we celebrate. But I do understand that some FIRSTers would rather measure their team's success by its record in competition.

I want to say there is something very American about that; does that seem patriotic, or just US-centric? :confused:

galewind 08-11-2006 16:38

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No question at all: Chairman's Award.

Winning the Regional Championship is a testament to your teamwork with other teams and your ability to design a "winning machine".

Putting things into perspective: it is partially dependent on others, partially based on luck, partially based on the design process (which may not have been 100% done by students on the team), and partially the skill of your drive team. That being said, obtaining the regional championship is no small feat, but not all in your control, either.

Winning the Regional Chairman's award is a testament to your team's ability to inspire others to recognize, understand, and strive towards FIRST's goal of creating more "tech-savvy" problem solvers.

Putting things into perspective once again: It is partially dependent on your team's ability to share these principles in your local communities, partially dependent on how well you communicate them within your team, partially dependent on how FIRST has inspired your team to "go beyond" -- outside of the competition.

With Chairman's, unlike Champions, the variables here are all on you -- not other teams, not a handful of robot designers, not a handful of drivers.

Now I'm not trying to belittle the importance of being a regional champion, but to me there is much more to a "Hey, look at what we have done as a team" feeling over a "Hey, look at what we did out on the field just now!" feeling.

Winning regional Champions would be great -- and an instant gratification -- but, in my eyes, winning Chairman's is much more deep-seeded and meaningful.

And besides -- there are three Regional Champions -- there's only one Regional Chairman. :)

Josh Murphy 08-11-2006 16:47

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My team has won many regionals and also the chairman's award but not since I have been on the team. I play a big part in the build process and I am a driver, so I would have to go with a regional win over chairman's because I work so hard on it for 6 days a week 15 hours a day for 6 weeks so a regional win would help pay that off ;). :)

team1852 08-11-2006 21:41

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THIS POST MAY NOT REFLECT THE OVERALL FEELING OF TEAM 1852.

Personally, I'd be very happy if we won either award. With that said, I see the Regional Competitions as a cumulation of 6 weeks of building our robot ... so I'd say a Regional Championship would be better.

Billfred 08-11-2006 21:58

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I'd be glad to receive either honor, but right now I'm more inclined to go after the Regional Championship. Why? With few exceptions, the regional champions tend to draw more press than the Chairman's Award winners. It should be the other way around, but it tends not to be; I blame it on people naturally being drawn to the title of Champion, no matter how many times the emcee notes that the Chairman's Award is the highest honor.

The way I see it, a team that still isn't a household name could stand to get more attention (and thus have their programs reach a wider audience) with a regional championship than a Chairman's Award. That's my theory--if I get a chance to test it, I'll let you know.

+()c|D 15-11-2006 00:13

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Chairmans!

It doesn't have to go to the best team, in the competition, but to the team who has worked hard, done all their research, and has great sportsmanship.

Don't get me wrong, both awards are great, but the Chairmans is more prestigious.

Schnabel 16-11-2006 17:55

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Chairman's Award def. The TechnoKats have been around for quite a while and I want to see the team get awarded for all it has done in the past 16 years. Plus I am bias as I was one of the people that worked on the CA last year.

BBnum3 16-11-2006 18:32

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Those vote tallies are really close.

I voted for for Regional Championship because the excitement of winning an event is incomparable. For a team that is new or hasn't won an event, the feeling is indescribable. When my team won a regional earlier this year we could not believe what was happening. A regional victory can come as a surprise which is what makes it so exciting. Chairman's victories aren't exactly predictable, but teams know that they have been working hard on outreach and can somewhat see it coming. It's the unpredictability and sheer exuberance of winning a regional that makes me choose a Regional Championship over Chairman's.

Alexa Stott 16-11-2006 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBnum3
Those vote tallies are really close.

I voted for for Regional Championship because the excitement of winning an event is incomparable. For a team that is new or hasn't won an event, the feeling is indescribable. When my team won a regional earlier this year we could not believe what was happening. A regional victory can come as a surprise which is what makes it so exciting. Chairman's victories aren't exactly predictable, but teams know that they have been working hard on outreach and can somewhat see it coming. It's the unpredictability and sheer exuberance of winning a regional that makes me choose a Regional Championship over Chairman's.

I have to disagree with this. When they announced that we won Chairman's at NJ, it felt even better than winning the regional.

Like you said, Chairman's victories aren't predictable, but that, in my opinion, makes them 10x better. The surprise of winning it adds to the mix of emotions you feel when you win it.

Just wait until you're on a team that wins one...you'll see...;)

Lil' Lavery 16-11-2006 19:31

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Originally Posted by AtalanteStar25
I have to disagree with this. When they announced that we won Chairman's at NJ, it felt even better than winning the regional.

Like you said, Chairman's victories aren't predictable, but that, in my opinion, makes them 10x better. The surprise of winning it adds to the mix of emotions you feel when you win it.

Just wait until you're on a team that wins one...you'll see...;)

just wait until you're on a team that doesn't win 90% of it's matches... :rolleyes:

Libby K 16-11-2006 19:44

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at this point, either one would be just wonderful for me. =]

really, a chairman's win would mean more to me. it's really showing that you're an outstanding group of kids, not just a beastly robot.

RoboJedi75 16-11-2006 19:56

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I'd want chairman's.

Before the season starts, you have no clue what the game is going to be. How is it going to be challenging? How's our robot going to play it? How's our robot going to size up to other teams? These questions can only be answered starting January and definitely not until your first competition.

Chairman's Award on the other hand can be done NOW. Helping the community, spreading science and technology can be done anytime during the year as long as you've got the time to do it.

Also, anyone bother to realize the order they announce the awards? Towards the end of the award ceremony, they get increasingly more prestigious.

... Regional Finalists, Regional Champions, Engineering Inspiration Award, Chairman's Award.

Also note that the Chairman's Award can only be submitted to one regional, most other awards can be submitted at multiple regionals.

Richard Wallace 16-11-2006 19:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Libbeh1923
really, a chairman's win would mean more to me. it's really showing that you're an outstanding group of kids, not just a beastly robot.

I watched a team with a beastly robot win a regional chairman's award, once.

Libby K 16-11-2006 20:14

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me too. read below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtalanteStar25
When they announced that we won Chairman's at NJ, it felt even better than winning the regional.

yay 25!

Lil' Lavery 16-11-2006 20:17

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Originally Posted by Libbeh1923
yay 25!

I think you missed the 4 at the end of that ;)
254, great bot(s), and a Championship Chairman's

Libby K 16-11-2006 20:18

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no, sorry sean. i meant 25. =P

i never saw 254. so there.

[although i'm sure they were great too... :) ]

Wayne C. 16-11-2006 21:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
just wait until you're on a team that doesn't win 90% of it's matches... :rolleyes:


Sean- where were you in 05? and 04? and 01? and 02? and 99? and 98? and 97? We weren't winning 90% then but we still had a lot of pride in our machines- even if the wheels fell off and they caught fire. We have been very fortunate to have a few really spectacular seasons but they were the result of a team of dedicated individuals giving their best for a long time to build to that.

Championship or Chairmans- tough call. I always tell newbies that if you build a great team the great robots will follow. So I guess that is recognized by the Chairmans.
But school administrators and company heads recognize and understand Tournament Champions better. So there is a lot of "political value" in that recognition too.

Our team has been fortunate to have seen both. To some extent a good machine and experienced drive team get the Championship. But our guys have made FIRST more or less a way of life these days and that seems to be how we were recognized for the Chairmans. To me it was a verification that the team was "doing things right" in the FIRST world and that we have hopefully been setting a good example for others. Oddly, I find myself more in line with the "vision" of actually helping kids develop these days more than ever. And I know the young people our team has sent out will always fondly remember how building robots changed their life for the better.

And we still have fun,,,

WC :cool:

Lil' Lavery 16-11-2006 22:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne C.
Sean- where were you in 05? and 04? and 01? and 02? and 99? and 98? and 97? We weren't winning 90% then but we still had a lot of pride in our machines- even if the wheels fell off and they caught fire. We have been very fortunate to have a few really spectacular seasons but they were the result of a team of dedicated individuals giving their best for a long time to build to that.

Alexa has only been on 25 for the spectacular 2006 season. ;) I was simply inferring her view may be slightly scewed after such tremendous acheivments her only year in FIRST.

Wayne C. 16-11-2006 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
Alexa has only been on 25 for the spectacular 2006 season. ;) I was simply inferring her view may be slightly scewed after such tremendous acheivments her only year in FIRST.


aaahh Alexa- OH yes- we know she is "slightly skewed"... :rolleyes: .. but made of win...

he he

WC :cool:


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