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RebAl 21-02-2002 21:19

Ham Radio At Nats
 
I was woundering who if anyone has a ham license and if anyone would like for me to set up a freq. for us to meet on at the nats and some guidelines for that channel. I could also set up a low power cross-band repeater in my hotel room (prob UHF to VHF or the sort) if needed.
If anyone is interested let me know and I will start planning this or if you have some ideas let me know also.

my call: KC2FWL

RebAl 21-02-2002 21:23

disney actually has its own repeater!!!
not sure if we should use it tho.

147.300 WR4AMG WDW Amateur Repeater paired w/147.9000

here is where i got it (Its got other good stuff too :D ):
WDW Freq's

Clark Gilbert 21-02-2002 21:46

2 way radio
 
I just like messing around with people on the 2-way radios...:D

Greg McCoy 21-02-2002 21:49

I'm not going to nationals this year, but i would be interested in talking at regionals. Thanks for posting the WDW Info though, that's awesome. Anyone else interested?

My call : KB9WTE

73,

Mike Bonham 21-02-2002 22:19

We have at least three hams on our team.

We'll bring a handi-talkie.

Gil is the most famous in national amatuer radio circles- his call is KS4YX. He does a lot of contesting. Check his call on Google.

My call is KR4GZ.

One of our engineers (and I believe his son also) is a ham - I don't remember his call, but we always meet persuing one of our favorite activities (not counting FIRST) - attending Ham Fests. (For those not into amature radio, these are hugh electronic flea markets - and great places to obtain robot parts, computer components, test equipment, etc.)

RebAl 22-02-2002 10:30

Will you be at the nats this year?

Greg McCoy 22-02-2002 11:36

Do you really need a repeater at nationals? It seems like you could meet on 146.52 MHz and pick an unoccupied simplex frequency. Setting up a repeater down there might cause interference with Orlando's ham operations...

What kind of radios are y'all bringing? I'll probably bring my ICOM IC-T7H H-T.

Are there any hams involved with FIRST in the midwest?

RebAl 22-02-2002 12:30

it would be low power around 5w
Im bringing a alinco dj-g5 and dj-580 ht

Metalhugginman 22-02-2002 19:45

I will bring HT
 
Well, good idea but I hope we don't cause any robots to get confused. I will bring my Icom ICW4A HT and tune the simplex frequencies. I will also check the Disney repeater. I feel sure that by time the Naionals roll around we may come up with a plan. It is good to know that there are some Hams involved with FIRST Teams. Our Ham Club got the tour of Robot Central and a preview of things to come last October. Needless to say, they were all taken aback by the technology involved with the machine. Hopefully more hams will become involved in the coming years.
KS4YX - Gil Huggins Team 343

RebAl 22-02-2002 22:19

Ok, I will set-up a set of freq's and some ground rules both of which I will post as the nat's near, if you have any questions you can e-mail me (the bots are on 800 or 900 so we wont cause many problems hopefully:) )

Jon Lawton 23-02-2002 16:59

Count me in! KF6SLW... Bringing his Icom T2-A and Alinco DJ-560! :)

Joe Pernick 25-02-2002 13:53

I'll have a Yaesu FT-50

RebAl 25-02-2002 14:40

can you give me your call?

-anyone who posts please include your call I am making a list so I can make sure we know who is in our net, hopefully with us all I will make some kind of tag for people to come to us for info and we can radio out for an answer or something such as a score or weather info or something. Just a thought..
thanks:)

RebAl 25-02-2002 14:58

Should I ask FIRST, first? Just to get official permission?
Also which do you guys like better UHF or VHF?

ChrisH 25-02-2002 16:32

"We don't need no stinking badges"
 
Quote:

Should I ask FIRST, first? Just to get official permission?
I see no need. If you are properly licensed and using legal equipment to do something lawful there should be no requirement to ask permission from anybody.

As a courtesy, you may wish to consult FIRSTs technical people to ensure that your transmissions will not interfere with the competition.

But even if you did interfere they wouldn't be able to stop you. Of course the screaming crowds charging your transmitter position because of interference might change your mind about exercising your rights at that particular place and time...


"It is generally easier to ask forgiveness than permission." - an old boss, there have been so many I forget which one.

On second thought I don't know, but presume you do, what the regulations are for transmitting from private property. I assume the property owner (Disney) could prevent you from transmitting from their property if they wished. So if I checked with anybody it would be Disney.

RebAl 25-02-2002 17:12

Ok i sent them a e-mail and asked if we could use one of their repeaters. Im gonna figure out something that we can wear to make us visible, any Ideas :) ?

something like these? :D


p.s. I think we will use the 2m band
p.p.s. We could use more operators, if you know any let them know about this and have them check in.

Mark Koors 25-02-2002 18:47

I'll be in Cleveland, Chicago, and Orlando with my HT, 2M & 70 CM, N9PWI

Greg McCoy 25-02-2002 19:36

I didn't know you were a ham!

RebAl 25-02-2002 20:48

I just took a look in my ARRL repeater manual and found a callsign that belongs to disney with a open repeater, not sure where it is located in disney but here is the info:

Orlando, output- 147.300 mhz, input- 147.900 mhz, call WA4ABQ, made by WDWARC (that name seems to be walt disney world amature radio club), and its listed as "open"

I will review the frequencies that are in use by park operations and pick a open one for us to use as a simplex meeting place if we cant use the repeater.

I will also set up a set of rules to keep things orderly and together. But, we still have some time ahead of us :)

Metalhugginman 26-02-2002 07:34

Great Response
 
Wow! I am impressed that our amateur radio family is so large. I am further encouraged that there are hams involved with such a great project.
If we are ever lucky enough to host a regional competition, I hope that our Keowee-Toxaway ARC will have a special event station. That would spread the word of FIRST worldwide. I look forward to working our FIRST Hams at Nationals.
KS4YX - Gil - Team 343 - Metal In Motion

Greg McCoy 26-02-2002 11:35

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of more technically-oriented hams would be interested in helping out local teams.

Eric Reed 26-02-2002 15:20

Event call sign?
 
Is it too late to get a special event call sign at the Nats? You could set up a booth and make up special QSL cards. This would be great publicity for both FIRST and the ham community.

Alas, I won't be at the nats. But I'd love to chinwag with anyone at San Jose or Houston. I also have one student ham.

Eric Reed
KR6BU

RebAl 26-02-2002 18:21

Do you know the form number to get a event call sign.

Does anyone want to set up a booth or know where to get donated cards?

Greg McCoy 26-02-2002 20:32

Here's the FCC page on it...

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ama...ialevents.html

You can probably get one through the ARRL,

RebAl 27-02-2002 16:01

I mailed disney about the ham radios and here is the responce I recieved:

Dear Alexander,

Thank you for contacting WALT DISNEY WORLD!

Guests are welcome to use personal, hand-held radios (or transceivers, "walkie-talkies," etc.) while visiting our theme parks, provided they do notinterfere with our existing radio communications system. We recommend that guests use the approved frequency of between 462 and 463 megahertz.

If you have questions or need further assistance, feel free to contact us.

Please include your full name, E-Mail address, and reservation number if applicable on all correspondence.

Thank you!

Sincerely,

Betsy Mayer

Online Guest Service
WALT DISNEY WORLD
P.O. Box 10100
Lake Buena Vista FL 32830-0100



Original Message Follows:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Reben [mailto:mung245@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 3:56 PM
To: WDW Youth Groups
Subject: Message regarding Youth Group Activities: you


Hello,
My name is Alex (KC2FWL) and I am a member of the F.I.R.S.T. robotics team#329, Me and other HAM's from other teams plan to create a radio net, Inoticed that you have some repeaters on premisis, we wanted to know if we can use one of then durring the F.I.R.S.T. compitition in epcot that will take place 4/25/02-4/27/02. We will be using the radios to provide servicesto teams there and to allow easy communications between teams around the park. I dont know if there are any problems with this or if you would like to assign us a frequency in the 2m band.
-If this message does not concern you please foward it to the correct
persons
Thank you!

-------------------------

so... im not sure if he knew what I ment exactly but it seems like a yes to me :)

DanBlock 28-02-2002 08:24

WOW!! So many hams (If anyone so my other post, what can I say i'm an idiot)
Anyway If anyone would like to chat at the Virginia or Philly Regionals, that would me great I'll have my HT with me.

73,
Dan
KB3CZT

RebAl 28-02-2002 14:44

I am going to reserve a 1x1 callsign for the nats but I need some help with the name so you can post some ideas and if I get enough I will put up a poll. Here is the infor from Arrl:

The format of each 1x1 call sign consists of a single letter K, N or W prefix followed by a single numeral, 0 through 9, followed by any single letter except the letter X, which is not available to amateur stations.

____
Also does anyone want to set up a booth with a portable/mobile radio as a base station and possibally (if anyone knows how) set up a repeater of our own. Im getting ARRL to donate stuff for us to handout (and some stuff for us :D )

Greg McCoy 28-02-2002 14:58

Two letters and a number kinda limit your creativity...

RebAl 28-02-2002 15:18

I think after we get the 1x1 we can substitute with one we can make up such as FIRST1 or 1ST
not sure, tell me what you think they mean: here Its at the bottom

here are calls that are allready reserved and the dates

Greg McCoy 01-03-2002 19:42

Ok, I didn't realize that. It isn't too often that you apply for a special event callsign :)

While it might be nice to have a special callsign, I don't think it is too crucial to the operation of a good FIRST net.

Paul Zito 01-03-2002 23:32

Amatuer radio
 
I will be at the Long Island regional, New England regional, and Nationals. Count me in. N1RHN Team 230:) :)

RebAl 02-03-2002 09:30

Ok ill be at Long Island and the Champs,
Ive contacted the ARRL for buttons and stuff but they dont give out that sort of stuff,
Any ideas on stuff we could hand out?
Any ideas on that call sign?
Anyone want to set up a base station at the nats?

-I was reading in last years manual and it says that walkie-talkies are not allowed at event sites, is this that same this year? Does it effect hams?

RebAl 04-03-2002 19:12

I put in for our callsign it will be K5A
( Kilo Five Alpha )

the rules for the net will be up shortly

Paul Zito 04-03-2002 19:17

Any one thinking of using APRS at nationals?:cool:

RebAl 05-03-2002 14:39

we got our 1x1 call from ARRL:

Dear Alexander,

The call sign K5A has been reserved for your Special Event for the timeframe
requested. A copy of the data for your Special Event call sign grant, as it
appears in the "Special Event" call sign database, is reproduced below.

In accordance with current FCC Rules, please remember to identify your
station at least once per hour with your FCC assigned primary call sign,
KC2FWL.

Enjoy your "Special Event"!

73,

Wayne K. Irwin, W1KI
Assistant to the ARRL/VEC Manager
E-mail to: w1ki@arrl.org <mailto:w1ki@arrl.org>
Tel: (860) 594-0305

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Al Skierkiewicz 07-03-2002 07:41

Hi All,
I have been considering bringing an FT 817 so VHF or UHF are OK with me. (Although I have never had a radio for those bands until now. I need help!)
Good Luck to all,
73 de WB9UVJ

Al Skierkiewicz 07-03-2002 21:09

Anybody consider a net on 20 meters on the weekend, let everyone check in and say hi?
Say Sunday afternoons?
WB9UVJ

RebAl 07-03-2002 21:55

Most of us on this board only have Techs so im not sure if that would be a option.

Katie Reynolds 07-03-2002 22:29

Lol some members on 93 will be joining the amateur radio family soon! ;) Don't think we will have our licenses by nats though... I'll check on that and letcha know. :D

- Katie

Al Skierkiewicz 09-03-2002 22:08

OK, If not on 20 how about on 10? It's been pretty open lately. Let's say 28.400 at 3:00PM EST Sunday, CQ FIRST TEAMS.
CUL

RebAl 10-03-2002 14:49

Still no good for us techs, we are limited to all bands above 6m, but others that can should meet on the 10m frequency said before if they want.

Al Skierkiewicz 10-03-2002 14:54

Not True RebAl,
I picked 10M because you do have voice privledge from 28.3-28.5MHz. I have never operated in net before so this will be a first for me. But anyone who can let's meet up @28.400 if it's busy lets slide down in 5kHz chunks till an open frequency. If you have a radio, see you there.
73

RebAl 10-03-2002 17:06

Only Tech Plus (w/ morse code) can operate below 50mhz

as per ARRL:

Hams enter the hobby as Technicians by passing a 35-question multiple-choice examination. No Morse code test is required. The exam covers basic regulations, operating practices, and electronics theory, with a focus on VHF and UHF applications.

Technician Class operators are authorized to use all amateur VHF and UHF frequencies (all frequencies above 50 MHz). Technicians who pass a 5 WPM Morse code examination are entitled to limited power outputs on certain HF frequencies. "Technicians with HF" may operate on the 80, 40, and 15 meter bands using CW, and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital modes.
________________________
so only Tech Plus people or higher can operate here

this can be found here

Al Skierkiewicz 10-03-2002 18:30

I agree, read last sentence again...
"and on the 10 meter band using CW, voice, and digital modes." (or are you saying you have an old Tech Plus ticket?)This has been a privledge enjoyed by novices for many years and I took advantage of that as a novice. Luckily my trusty HW-101 (built by me, I might add) did cover 28.3-28.5. It's a great DX band when it's open, too. Gave me my first SSB DX to South America, South Africa and to a United States Marine in Guantanomo Bay, Cuba.
If you are operating at a school station and would like to set up a sched for during the week after school let me know, I can get home by 3 CST most days.
There was no one on frequency today but let me know what you want to do.

RebAl 10-03-2002 20:17

Yeah, you need a tech plus, the thing is that tech dosent need morse and the fcc felt it should operate on freqs that normally have a high volume of phone. A cw test gets you privlidges bleow 50mhz, such is our delima :) Novice however does not have as many high freq privlidges as a tech but it has the low bands.

Hopefully there are some hams that can talk with you, not sure how many in first.

good luck-

Will any hams be at the LI regional???

Greg McCoy 10-03-2002 20:50

Yeah, I think it is against some International Treaty to allow hams without 5 WPM of Morse code to operate below 30 MHz. In the United States it is 50 MHz though.

Paul Zito 10-03-2002 23:32

:confused:

What repeater do you want to use in Long Island?

RebAl 11-03-2002 07:01

If your talking about the LI regional, we wont use a repeater since it is small, I will post a frequency we can meet on later today.

RebAl 16-03-2002 17:14

Does anyone thing there will be a problem with putting a few radios in your luggage at the airport, will they give you trouble??

Al Skierkiewicz 18-03-2002 14:14

I carried my FT817, a homemade antenna tuner and a bunch of wire and AA batteries in my check in luggage for a multi-stop trip in December with no problems. They do check for suspicious shoes though. (Once in checked baggage and twice going through metal detect.)
73
WB9UVJ

CSLester 19-03-2002 21:59

Great Ideas!
 
These are great ideas... just a few things.
First off, I am Chris, N1ZYD from Farmington CT. I have a tech plus license. I have had my radio in Florida for the past two years, however have not used it extensively on the actual ham radio bands. (more as an interface to the FRS radios a lot of other people have)

I would definately check with FIRST officials, explaining what Amateur Radio is, and the extreme differences between the operating frequencies of the robot controllers and the 2M band. The rule from last year (no cell phones, radios, etc) is still in place, and could be a detriment to our cause. Also, explain what we intend on doing -- providing cross complex communications for teams, updating teams on other information. This would include determining now what we actually want to do at the event in terms of public service. Also, we have the goal of spreading FIRST through amateur radio.

I would also find some way of IDing anyone who is actually a ham. I know I have a call sign badge from my participation as an Official Relay Station with the Nat'l. Traffic System. Perhaps some badge system could be made up.

Speaking of the NTS, we could arrange with a local net to send out traffic for robot people at the event. (For those not familiar, the NTS system disseminates written third party messages throughout the nation and the world via a network of 'traffic nets'.) This could use the robot event to also raise awareness of a great hobby, ie Amateur Radio.

These are just my ideas. Lets see how far we can really take this!

~Chris Lester, N1ZYD (ORS)
Team 178, Farmington HS/Otis Elevator
Farmington CT

RebAl 19-03-2002 22:15

Yes I am going to make up tags with callsigns on them (I have gotten a special event call sign already) I dont have the equipt. to set up a base station type thing, could you? We could have a table where people could go and we can set up a info channel on frs !!

I doubt FIRST would have any problem (since we are licenced) , I already asked disney and got the ok.

If you would like to talk PM me or E-Mail me and we can set something up, cause I am a driver and cannot man a base station in FL.

I will start setting up the rules and freq's for us to communicate (for the regionals check the post in the regional section)

-Any other Ideas with this??

CSLester 19-03-2002 23:11

Additional Thoughts
 
I am also working on leads for more equipment, and also people for manning the booth.

If we can get a hold of some local people, things would be easier to transport (ie. avoid the airplane), and it would also let us have a couple of people that might not be quite so busy on the robotics front.

If anyone can get QSL cards done up, that would be great. Ask around if you know anybody!

Chris, N1ZYD
Farmington, CT

RebAl 20-03-2002 07:22

Our 1x1 event callsign for the base is K5A
I will be ckecking disney and local area freq's to find a open one to use.

Can you make the base station a repeater for us to use :D ?

CSLester 25-03-2002 21:30

I have contacted several people up in my neck of the woods that have some connections. I am working on obtaining ARRL support, FIRST support, and getting equipment to use (including a repeater, yes).

What do people think about having radiograms available for people to send messages home via the Nat'l Traffic Sys?

How about Certificates to commemorate communications with K5A? Any ideas?

Chris Lester, N1ZYD
Farmington CT
Team 178

RebAl 25-03-2002 22:06

Ok, sounds good, I already contacted ARRL - hope you have more luck, send me a e-mail if you would like to discuss anything further

Thanks :D

RebAl 26-03-2002 17:19

We will meet on 2m the freq's being 145.4 mhz (this will be for messages) and a backup on 144.2 mhz (this will be for chat) both using CTCSS tones @ 123.0 to prevent interference , these will be simplex untill more is known about our situation at the nats. (How many of you have DSQ on their HT?)

rules as of now:

1 - follow proper operating procedure
2 - identify our net as K5A when proper (and when addressing the base station if we have one)
3 - when broadcasting first announce your call then wait, and continue with your message this will prevent people talking at the same time
4 - use the word break followed by your call if you need to insert a important message when two people are talking
5 - If you need to send a wide message ask for a relay followed by your message and if you hear such a message broadcast you call wait then act as a human repeater and relay the message (incase of no repeater or a important message)

----- I will add more as I think of them, you can suggest some also -----

CSLester 28-03-2002 13:20

Correspondence with Clubs in Florida
 
Just so everybody knows, I have been in communication with several individuals down in the West Central Florida. We will have support down there, as you can read.

Please come forward if you will be able to help at the booth. We need robot people to operate as well, not just rent-a-hams! We can't back out now.

I am also working on getting a booth for us (with a little tent and all).

============================================

From: "Kara Denizi" <kara-denizi@bigfoot.com>
To: "C. Lester" <lester@navy.org>
Cc: "Morton - WX4H " <h4xw@aol.com>; "Bob - W2BZY" <w2bzy@mpinet.net>; "
Mike - KF4HFC" <kf4hfc@arrl.net>; <n1zyd@arrl.net>; " Ray - K1JPG"
<rjones@globalcardservices.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: SVTN and a Special Event Station


> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> G'day Chris
>
> Monday, March 25, 2002, 13:47:52, you wrote (in part):
>
> CL> I am involved with a special event station that will be down in
> CL> Orlando for the FIRST Robotics National Competition. We are trying
> CL> to hook up with some NTS net in the area so we could send out
> CL> Radiograms from the event.
>
> Thanks for your email. Currently the only traffic net serving the
> metro Orlando area is the Seminole VHF Traffic Net (SVTN).
> Although I'm still very active on SVTN I'm no longer the manager.
>
> Accordingly I'm forwarding your request to the current manager for
> direct answer to you.
>
> Ray Jones, K1JPG
> Manager, SVTN
> Email: rjones@globalcardservices.com.
>
> Regretfully I can't locate his current
> phone number although I do have it somewhere.
>
> As you might be aware Orlando is located in Orange County which is
> just south of Seminole County. Accordingly, I'm also sending a copy of
> your email to the presidents of two other organizations that will be
> interested in your visit and how they too might assist Ray in
> supporting your needs while in Orlando.
>
> Robert Cumming, W2BZY
> President, Orlando ARC (OARC)
> Phone: 407 333 0690
> Email: w2bzy@mpinet.net
>
> Mike Welch, KF4HFC
> President, Lake Monroe ARS (LMARS)
> Phone: 407 645 3203
> Email: kf4hfc@arrl.net
>
> LMARS, which sponsors the SVTN, is located
> in Seminole County.
>
> Upon receipt of this message, please send an email to Ray (with info
> copies to Bob and Mike) indicating the dates you expect to be in the
> Orlando area.
>
> Again thanks for your email. I'll be looking forward, as I'm sure the
> others will be, to supporting your Orlando efforts in any possible
> way.
>
> - --
>
> Cordially
>
>
> Gary Adams, KE4DNO
> 166 W Main Street
> Lake Helen FL 32744-2902
> Phone: 386 228 3488
> Email: kara-denizi@bigfoot.com
>

CSLester 28-03-2002 13:24

Correspondence continued
 
Here is the second half...

Chris, N1ZYD
======
Chris,

We are working on the details to support the Special Event. I have a few questions and comments based on previous on-property operations D.E.A.R.S. has participated in. A WDW endorsement doesn't necessarily mean carte blanch.
1. On the power issue. Since there is a significant safety liability associated with running a gasoline powered generator in the vicinity of a large number of people, professionally managed power has to be a first option and should be approved ASAP. We can provide several hundred feet of extension cored, so, the sponsor need to necessarily run power to the booth. - There are 6 monster power trailers on the site right now.
2. Will the booth have a weather cover, such as a tent? - The sun is intense here and rain happens spontaneously.
3. Event access - will support staff need access credentials to get in before event hours for set-up? Also, since some of the potential support staff may not be WDW employees or have annual passes, do you know if parking lot gate passes are available? - Since September 11, WDW security is very cautious.
4. What are the operating hours for each day?
5. Have you obtained a Special Event Call and what are you plans for acknowledging contacts?
6. How many HF stations are you thinking about?

I don't mean to be overly burdensome, but, anything we can solidify before the event will reduce last minute glitches.

Thanks & 73,
Don - KT4JF

----- Original Message -----
From: C. Lester
To: lester@navy.org ; k4www@mpinet.net ; ku4wd@bellsouth.net ; w3gu@mpinet.net ; don.cwynar@worldnet.att.net ; nanapapa97@mpinet.net ; Robert Cumming
Cc: kara-denizi@bigfoot.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Robotics Special Event at Epcot


First off, let me again thank you for your support. It is becoming increasingly difficult to even dream of taking any HF gear out of state on the airplanes due to 1 checked bag/1 carry on luggage restrictions.

Furthermore, the robotics competition itself is endorsed by WDW. They have an elaborate setup not within the park boundaries, but rather in the parking lot of Epcot. The FIRST organization is where 'permission' will come from (permission which I am seeking as I type). The booth I spoke of would be on the robot grounds, and not in any of the parks. Indeed, if the station were to be in Epcot, it would be further removed from any action, and would not accomplish the intended results.

What would be most helpful would be a few bodies that would be willing to help out on the days scheduled (24-28 APRIL), along with the equipment, etc.... Consider it a public service event, a pre-field day excercise, or whatever you want. If this would be possible, that would be the most help at this point.

In addition, does either DEARS or the OARC have any power generating capability? FIRST may be reluctant to power us as well, and it would be nice to offer them that concession.


Thank you again for you support,
Chris Lester, N1ZYD
Farmington CT

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Cumming
To: lester@navy.org ; k4www@mpinet.net ; Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: Robotics Special Event at Epcot

Chris,

I have reviewed this message relayed by Gary, KE4DNO and your earlier message about this event with some of the officers of the Orlando Amateur Radio Club (OARC) and the Officers of the Disney Emergency Amateur Radio Service (DEARS).

Firstly there are no problems with equipment as both DEARS and the OARC have ample equipment available. The main problem is getting approval of the Walt Disney Corp Management to operate within the Park. We (speaking for DEARS) have tried to get approval in the past to operate during the 100th anniversary of Walt Disney's Birthday and ran up against a brick wall.

Getting traffic out of EPCOT isn't a problem as there are both 2M (147.300) and 70 CM (442.000) repeaters on Disney operated by DEARS. This can be accessed from almost anywhere in EPCOT with an HT. I am sure that some of the Traffic nets could operate and pick up traffic via the DEARS Repeaters. This isn't a problem, Operating a Special Event Station in EPCOT might be. DEARS has Both HF and VHF/UHF equipment but it isn't located in EPCOT.

For the 100th anniversary we operates W4D as a special event Station off Disney Property . The last major event operated by Disney was the 25th Anniversary of the Magic Kingdom and we ran 2 HF and 1 VHF station from within the Park with Disney's blessing.

As I Said resources of DEARS and the OARC are behind this if we can obtain WDW approval to operate within EPCOT. I have the officers of DEARS working to get this approved - I just hope it will be blessed in time for your event.

Below is the message from the DEARS people looking into the matter: I hope to have a positive answer soon.

If you have any Pre approval from WDW to operate a station "On Property", please let me know.

Bob Cumming
W2BZY
President, OARC

From: "Don Cwynar" <don.cwynar@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Jay Underwood" <wb4wyj@aol.com>,
"Robert Cumming" <w2bzy@mpinet.net>,
Subject: Re: Ham Radio and the FIRST Robotics National Competition
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:18:19 -0500
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Bob,
Looks interesting. It's not clear where he intends to set-up the station. He mentioned a booth. If it is at the EPCOT exhibit, it could take some arm twisting to get it ok'd. Maybe this is where we could help. The only problem I see is that since this is a competition, a D.E.A.R.S. association with one group could pose an implied endorsement. This is where the special event might have a better chance supported by OARC.
With Jay's consent I can do some snooping to find out who's in charge of the event, and also get some more info from Chris.
Don - KT4JF
----- Original Message -----

Is this something that we want DEARS to honcho- Don What say Ye? Might giv us an excuse to get the radio out of Jason's office and breath some life into it.

Bob C.
W2BZY

Reply-To: n1zyd@arrl.net
From: "Chris Lester" <n1zyd101@hotmail.com>
To: w2bzy@mpinet.net
Subject: Ham Radio and the FIRST Robotics National Competition
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:19:23 -0500

Hello,

I am a radio operator and am also a member of a FIRST Robotics team, an organization which holds their national competition each year in Epcot. A group of radio amateurs from all across the country are forming to create a special event station for the duration of this event, which will be from 24 APRIL - 28 APRIL 2002. Due to the now overprotective security measures taking place in airports around the country, it would be impractical to bring a wide array of radio equipment and antennas for a few days of operating. I was wondering to what extent your club, or any members of your club as individuals would be interested in offering their time/resources/equipment, etc... to our cause. Many are also juniors and seniors who are looking at colleges. The opportunities for your club are great.

Even if your club as a whole might not want to be involved, I would appreciate it if you could let people know about this opportunity to help out a few hams in need. We could use a few people to help man our booth, as many of us also have responsibilities with the actual competition. We were hoping to provide contact opportunities on HF, and also possibly link up with an NTS net in the area to handle traffic from people at the event.

Please let me know what you are thinking on this issue. If you are not at all interested, I would appreciate some names of other individuals or clubs that might be. Alternatively, feel free to pass on my contact information to any who might be able to help out. In addition, any help you could provide, perhaps with use of one or more of your repeaters, would be appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Chris Lester, N1ZYD

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I understand that you are the Net Manager of the Seminole VHF Traffic
Net. I am involved with a special event station that will be down in
Orlando for the FIRST Robotics National Competition. We are trying to
hook up with some NTS net in the area so we could send out Radiograms
from the event.
I was hoping that you could verify the information I found in the net
directory, and provide a little bit of background on how you guys
operate. I would also be interested in any information you have on a
VHF (2M or 70cm) NTS forwarding bbs in the area that could be accessed
via packet.
Additionally, we are still looking for sources for some HF gear so
that we could operate for the nation. If any club in the area or
anyone you know would have free equipment/antennas, or extra time that
they might be able to donate, please let me know, or forward any of
this information to them.
Feel free to ask any questions on what's happening, in case none of
this makes sense to you, a good chance, I'd say!
Thanks [in advance] for your help,
Chris, N1ZYD

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Cordially
Gary, KE4DNO kara-denizi@bigfoot.com

RebAl 28-03-2002 14:25

For those that would like to help, We will have a chart up where you can sign in to help at cirtain times if you would like, also I am working on name tags for us to be seen.

thedillybar 31-03-2002 22:10

I'll be there with a 2m HT. Not sure how much help I can be because I'm going to be busy most of the time working on the robot, competing, etc.

KB8TUM

Greg McCoy 02-04-2002 20:38

Does FIRST put any rules/regulations on the use of two-way radios (FRS, Amateur, etc) at competitions?

RebAl 02-04-2002 20:48

They do say that is not allowed but as responcible operators we can prevent harmful interference and we have the right to transmit, also as someone said in this thread earlier "its easier to ask forgiveness then permision"

RebAl 19-04-2002 20:15

Here is our backup plan for now if nothing else becomes available:

We will meet on 2m the freq's being 145.4 mhz (this will be for messages) and a backup on 144.2 mhz (this will be for chat) both using CTCSS tones @ 123.0 to prevent interference , these will be simplex untill more is known about our situation at the nats. (How many of you have DSQ on their HT?)

rules as of now:

1 - follow proper operating procedure
2 - identify our net as K5A when proper (and when addressing the base station if we have one)
3 - when broadcasting first announce your call then wait, and continue with your message this will prevent people talking at the same time
4 - use the word break followed by your call if you need to insert a important message when two people are talking
5 - If you need to send a wide message ask for a relay followed by your message and if you hear such a message broadcast you call wait then act as a human repeater and relay the message (incase of no repeater or a important message)

----- I will add more as I think of them, you can suggest some also -----

IF THESE FREQ'S ARE TAKEN UP SEE ME AT THE 329 PIT AREA FOR THE NEW ONES, I AM IN THE WHITE DIV.


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